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Post by VT Karen on Dec 2, 2023 6:11:12 GMT -5
What is your definition of growing the game again? From what I recall, I think you said "the mystique of Hawaii volleyball and experiencing crowds." For me, it's growing participation and visibility from the grassroots level, through college to the national team. For Hawaii, it means continuing to break season attendance averages and demand for tickets and to draw record breaking crowds in areas where there are powerful teams e.g. UCLA, Penn State, tOSU etc. and in areas that otherwise wouldn't care about men's volleyball Which gets me back to my original premise, this schedule does not grow the game for Hawai'i or its opponents. I may end up being wrong, but my opinion isn't formed by how I feel. Also, I'd be very happy to be wrong since I think the best version of volleyball is played in the men's game and sports fans are missing out. Well, apparently you and Charlie have differing philosophies on the concept of growing the game because he continues to not only schedule said no name teams but he adds more to it every year. And the question of having a weak schedule yearly gets brought up each season but that still doesn't deter Charlie or his staff from scheduling like they do. I'm not gonna say you're wrong but I will say Charlie must not be hearing you because he has yet to change course on his scheduling method. And I doubt that will ever change. I'm certainly not advocating for a schedule like this all the time but I understand why Charlie does it. Can I be mad about it? Maybe I should as a season ticket holder but tbh...I'm truly not. He knows what he is doing and so until the program backslides in a downward trend....imma trust him on this. I might not always agree with it but I'll trust it because he is the coach and their success is because of them pulling the right strings to get to this point. I'm certainly down for a murderers row type of schedule...maybe similar to UCSB's every year where they go balls out, lose a bunch and then can't even put it all together against a team like Hawaii where it counts. Maybe we should do that? Idk. I'm not talking to Charlie, I'm talking to you because Charlie isn't on this forum asking for an opinion on his schedule. I'm sure if I had the chance to speak to Coach Charlie, he would be able to shed more light into how and why the schedule shaped up into what it is. I think the schedule is paltry but I'm not mad about it. I'm challenging the opinion you've stated a few times that it's growing the game. If your stance is that you will repeat what Charlie says than I can understand that and won't question you anymore when you share a personal opinion because I know it'll be in line with Charlie sans being privy to insider information. |
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Post by soljah808 on Dec 2, 2023 6:24:56 GMT -5
Well, apparently you and Charlie have differing philosophies on the concept of growing the game because he continues to not only schedule said no name teams but he adds more to it every year. And the question of having a weak schedule yearly gets brought up each season but that still doesn't deter Charlie or his staff from scheduling like they do. I'm not gonna say you're wrong but I will say Charlie must not be hearing you because he has yet to change course on his scheduling method. And I doubt that will ever change. I'm certainly not advocating for a schedule like this all the time but I understand why Charlie does it. Can I be mad about it? Maybe I should as a season ticket holder but tbh...I'm truly not. He knows what he is doing and so until the program backslides in a downward trend....imma trust him on this. I might not always agree with it but I'll trust it because he is the coach and their success is because of them pulling the right strings to get to this point. I'm certainly down for a murderers row type of schedule...maybe similar to UCSB's every year where they go balls out, lose a bunch and then can't even put it all together against a team like Hawaii where it counts. Maybe we should do that? Idk. I'm not talking to Charlie, I'm talking to you because Charlie isn't on this forum asking for an opinion on his schedule. I'm sure if I had the chance to speak to Coach Charlie, he would be able to shed more light into how and why the schedule shaped up into what it is. I think the schedule is paltry but I'm not mad about it. I'm challenging the opinion you've stated a few times that it's growing the game. If your stance is that you will repeat what Charlie says than I can understand that and won't question you anymore when you share a personal opinion because I know it'll be in line with Charlie sans being privy to insider information. My stance is that I think him scheduling said teams helps those programs which ultimately grows the game in my view. Charlie is more eloquent in his views on this than I could ever be. (Which shouldn't be a surprise here. Lol) And again, I agree with you about the schedule. I just have come to a point where it is what it is.....when it's time to renew my season tickets imma just eagerly do so willingly and without question. Doesn't matter whom the opponent is. I'm still gonna be there. Maybe I'm the wrong person to ask cause imma show up regardless. So I feel this doesn't affect the program as much as you may do. Idk |
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Post by abacaxi on Dec 3, 2023 11:30:05 GMT -5
$135. Also they are moving the team benches permanently to the same side that the Basketball team benches are it explains in the email. It save Venue staff from constantly changing configurations during the season. So that may affect certain season ticket holders. I wonder if the team bench arrangement will also be implemented during Wahine Volleyball 2024 season. It makes sense for a logistical standpoint to keep from changing the SSC setup between volleyball and basketball games. I wonder how the choice was made. Coin flip? Jan Ken Po? |
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Post by brooselee on Dec 3, 2023 17:28:48 GMT -5
$135. Also they are moving the team benches permanently to the same side that the Basketball team benches are it explains in the email. It save Venue staff from constantly changing configurations during the season. So that may affect certain season ticket holders. I wonder if the team bench arrangement will also be implemented during Wahine Volleyball 2024 season. It makes sense for a logistical standpoint to keep from changing the SSC setup between volleyball and basketball games. I wonder how the choice was made. Coin flip? Jan Ken Po? The Hawaii AD has stated that this setup will be there for all arena sports….minus changes need to made for NBA exhibition or special arrangements made for NCAA tournaments. During tournament time, there may be more national press in the house and NCAA officials need to be near court side so UH may need to kick some high rollers out and put those long tables back on the floor for all the local and national press. Right now, our local press have been kicked up to the the first few rows in the stand behind the basket. The seats on the court side took the place of press row and are now sold to corporate donors and high rollers. Those seats are money in the bank for the athletic department so the seating set up will be permanent for Warrior 2024 too. It really doesn’t affect the players but it does affect fans who bought the seats behind the benches. Those fans are now displaced and some are probably not happy. I’m one of those displaced but what am I to do? Throw a tantrum?….LOL Basketball is supposed to be the “bigger” sport in the athletic food chain so the AD fixed the seating to accompany basketball first and foremost. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 3, 2023 18:29:23 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com)
In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k
In the red: all the rest.
- Men's volleyball ~ -$191k
- Men's basketball ~ -$800k
- Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k
Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million.
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Post by brooselee on Dec 3, 2023 18:37:14 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com) In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k In the red: all the rest. - Men's volleyball ~ -$191k - Men's basketball ~ -$800k - Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million. Hawaii making money on women volleyball is unique. Maybe only a handful of programs can claim that but in terms of visibility and prestige, basketball is a more known quality. UH just happen to have a snoozer of a HC. With the right HC, Hawaii men basketball could easily draw bigger crowds. There are more basketball fans than volleyball fans out there. We just have more loyal volleyball fans who will attend matches more often while our basketball fans are more bandwagon type. |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Dec 3, 2023 20:04:40 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com) In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k In the red: all the rest. - Men's volleyball ~ -$191k - Men's basketball ~ -$800k - Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million. Do you know what years generated that report? MVB has higher attendance than WVB the past few years so i'm surprised they're in the red |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Dec 3, 2023 20:09:45 GMT -5
I wonder if the team bench arrangement will also be implemented during Wahine Volleyball 2024 season. It makes sense for a logistical standpoint to keep from changing the SSC setup between volleyball and basketball games. I wonder how the choice was made. Coin flip? Jan Ken Po? The Hawaii AD has stated that this setup will be there for all arena sports….minus changes need to made for NBA exhibition or special arrangements made for NCAA tournaments. During tournament time, there may be more national press in the house and NCAA officials need to be near court side so UH may need to kick some high rollers out and put those long tables back on the floor for all the local and national press. Right now, our local press have been kicked up to the the first few rows in the stand behind the basket. The seats on the court side took the place of press row and are now sold to corporate donors and high rollers. Those seats are money in the bank for the athletic department so the seating set up will be permanent for Warrior 2024 too. It really doesn’t affect the players but it does affect fans who bought the seats behind the benches. Those fans are now displaced and some are probably not happy. I’m one of those displaced but what am I to do? Throw a tantrum?….LOL Basketball is supposed to be the “bigger” sport in the athletic food chain so the AD fixed the seating to accompany basketball first and foremost. From a TV POV I think it's better that the teams are facing the hard cam. You can see the coaches, players, and see who are subbing in/out (depending on cuts of course). Live, I prefer if they placed press tables higher up and left the students closer to the the action. Kinda lose a bit of home-team advantage there |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 3, 2023 21:26:27 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com) In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k In the red: all the rest. - Men's volleyball ~ -$191k - Men's basketball ~ -$800k - Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million. Do you know what years generated that report? MVB has higher attendance than WVB the past few years so i'm surprised they're in the red They combine data from multiple sources and databases. They state up front most of the databases used are large and data will typically be at least a couple of years old. From their listed databases, their oldest data reaches back to 2016, and most of their more recent data is up to 2019. Some is more current than that, mainly for salaries. |
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Post by VT Karen on Dec 4, 2023 1:15:28 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com) In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k In the red: all the rest. - Men's volleyball ~ -$191k - Men's basketball ~ -$800k - Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million. Wow that's for posting this info. Is it surprising that the women are a more profitable program? I believe I've read multiple times that only the Hawaii and Nebraska women's volleyball teams are profitable. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 4, 2023 2:10:10 GMT -5
UH Manoa arena $sports$ (collegefactual.com) In the black: Women's volleyball ~ $300k In the red: all the rest. - Men's volleyball ~ -$191k - Men's basketball ~ -$800k - Women's basketball ~ -$1,138k Men and Women volleyball combined are in the black. Men and Women's basketball combined are in the red, by close to -$2 million. Wow that's for posting this info. Is it surprising that the women are a more profitable program? I believe I've read multiple times that only the Hawaii and Nebraska women's volleyball teams are profitable. I'm not surprised. Years ago I'd read Women's volleyball was one of the few profitable UH of Manoa programs, although forgot where I read it. The women have been competitive at or near the top of the conference for decades, and volleyball on the women's side has a special place in the heart of Hawai'i and it keeps growing at all levels. Men's volleyball has been more up and down, but like mentioned above, I'd expect the past couple of years they've likely been in the black or nearly so. I think Wade should be appreciated for his coaching and recruiting, but also for his staff hires. His weak scheduling I'd bicker with, but his results have been good, so I won't complain too much. Basketball on the women's side will never be profitable. Admittedly that's mostly gut feel analysis. But even when they have good teams they draw poorly. I've tried attending their matches and being supportive, but man it's difficult to watch. The skill level just isn't there. One or two players usually dominate. The rest is a revolving cast, half of which don't look fit enough to make it up and down the floor more than a quarter without coming out. Men's basketball might be profitable if they could win the conference with regularity. They don't. The current coaching staff is bloated with excessive numbers of assistants, which in no way make up for a coach who recruits average at best, and can't win championships in a weak basketball conference. Except for the first year when he inherited some talent, which has been his and the programs peak. Mostly down from there since then. |
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Post by woozie808 on Dec 4, 2023 3:20:18 GMT -5
Since 1995 and not counting 2020 and 2021 due to COVID, the Wahine have outdrawn the men every year except 1997, 1998 and 2023. In 2022, the Wahine drew 89,450 to 72,901 for the men. This year, the men's team drew 126,385 to 105,073 for the Wahine.
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Dec 4, 2023 3:55:25 GMT -5
Since 1995 and not counting 2020 and 2021 due to COVID, the Wahine have outdrawn the men every year except 1997, 1998 and 2023. In 2022, the Wahine drew 89,450 to 72,901 for the men. This year, the men's team drew 126,385 to 105,073 for the Wahine. A better comparison would be within the same school year |
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Post by woozie808 on Dec 4, 2023 4:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by woozie808 on Dec 4, 2023 4:22:57 GMT -5
Also, if you're comparing school years, then you need to throw out Fall 2019 through Spring 2022 due to COVID.
Men's 2020 season cut short
Wahine 2020 season cancelled
Men's 2021 season had no fans allowed
Wahine 2021 allowed fans part way through the season with a lot of restrictions so attendance was dismal.
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