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Post by socalvbhomer on Sept 15, 2023 13:43:04 GMT -5
I’ve been saying it since she was announced, I’d be shocked if she can muster momentum and be successful- don’t know her as a person but for Arizona’s sake they should have got rid of the Rubio era and started fresh
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Post by uofaGRAD on Sept 15, 2023 13:56:01 GMT -5
Arizona lost their ball control outside, three year setter, four year libero, and five year middle. did you really expect the 1.6 passing Jordan Wilson to save things? Becca Morse was supposed to help with the transition but decided to quit in the off-season. I think every coach in the nation deserves more than ONE SEASON. she quite literally recruited the #1 recruit in the 2024 class for us. I'm sorry but this just sounds like excuses. Nobody expected Arizona to be Nebraska out there, but given what they DID return, including a setter who already was with the program for years, plenty of pin hitters (including a big time transfer in Jordan Wilson, who was also a top ranked recruit), and an army of DS's, to be 3-6 is awful. They weren't even competitive against Miami and LBSU.... beaten by UC Davis, I mean come on....they have been pathetic. It's not like Rita was walking into a brand new program, she was promoted from within, so lets not also use the coaching transition as an excuse. And what does it matter if she is recruiting high ranking players (and, no, Cisneros is not the #1 recruit in the country) if those players don't translate to wins!? Arizona has been downright mediocre for YEARS, with Stubbs sitting there on the coaching staff. We all thought it was Rubio to blame, but perhaps there is just something more systemic than him for why Arizona can't ever seem to scrape together a solid season. what? both setters are sophomores. the army of DS's had a combined 0 games in a NCAA libero jersey and were not expected to have to play libero coming into this season. in fact, all the DS's combined played 46 D1 sets last season TOTAL (62 if you count ava, who was a setter). Hiapo transferred, her successor Ellman quit, and who was supposed to be our libero savior Morse quit. the player who was the favorite to win the libero jersey after Morse quit was gone for the entire spring. none of those things being Rita's fault or anything she could have prevented. Carlie was ranked #1 as of january of this year (and when she committed), sorry if she dropped some because of her injury and i missed it. you're also completely overestimating the power any assistant at arizona held. rita worked with the middles, end of story. at the end of the day, dave decided the culture, the lineups, the strategies, everything. rita had input, sure, but no assistant was EVER even close to the final say. y'all are completely overblowing this situation when its her first year as our head coach and we had lots of turnover. you can say we brought back pin talent, because we did, but none of them have ever been known for their ball control (except dilara, who entered the portal before rita was promoted). we lost 67% of our serve receive and both players who took second contacts. we havent even reached conference play in her first season and youre suggesting she can't coach. maybe let's give it more than a few weeks. if we would've scheduled 12 Alabama A&M's like you wanted, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 15, 2023 14:20:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this just sounds like excuses. Nobody expected Arizona to be Nebraska out there, but given what they DID return, including a setter who already was with the program for years, plenty of pin hitters (including a big time transfer in Jordan Wilson, who was also a top ranked recruit), and an army of DS's, to be 3-6 is awful. They weren't even competitive against Miami and LBSU.... beaten by UC Davis, I mean come on....they have been pathetic. It's not like Rita was walking into a brand new program, she was promoted from within, so lets not also use the coaching transition as an excuse. And what does it matter if she is recruiting high ranking players (and, no, Cisneros is not the #1 recruit in the country) if those players don't translate to wins!? Arizona has been downright mediocre for YEARS, with Stubbs sitting there on the coaching staff. We all thought it was Rubio to blame, but perhaps there is just something more systemic than him for why Arizona can't ever seem to scrape together a solid season. what? both setters are sophomores. the army of DS's had a combined 0 games in a NCAA libero jersey and were not expected to have to play libero coming into this season. in fact, all the DS's combined played 46 D1 sets last season TOTAL (62 if you count ava, who was a setter). Hiapo transferred, her successor Ellman quit, and who was supposed to be our libero savior Morse quit. the player who was the favorite to win the libero jersey after Morse quit was gone for the entire spring. none of those things being Rita's fault or anything she could have prevented. Carlie was ranked #1 as of january of this year (and when she committed), sorry if she dropped some because of her injury and i missed it. you're also completely overestimating the power any assistant at arizona held. rita worked with the middles, end of story. at the end of the day, dave decided the culture, the lineups, the strategies, everything. rita had input, sure, but no assistant was EVER even close to the final say. y'all are completely overblowing this situation when its her first year as our head coach and we had lots of turnover. you can say we brought back pin talent, because we did, but none of them have ever been known for their ball control (except dilara, who entered the portal before rita was promoted). we lost 67% of our serve receive and both players who took second contacts. we havent even reached conference play in her first season and youre suggesting she can't coach. maybe let's give it more than a few weeks. if we would've scheduled 12 Alabama A&M's like you wanted, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't have an issue with Arizona's schedule, I have an issue with the fact that they aren't actually winning. I don't need to wait a few weeks, Arizona finally "figuring things out" in the middle of conference play does little for their post season prospects and just hurts the rest of the conference. Arizona is going to walk into conference play with at least 6 losses, and at this rate, they may add more! They probably aren't going to be beating Stanford (x2), Oregon (x2) or WSU (x1), so you can add 5 more sure fire losses, which brings them to 11. Which means that Arizona would need to go at least 11-4 against the rest of the Pac-12 just to be tournament eligible...that's probably not happening, so them winning matches against the rest of the middle of the Pac-12 just hurts the conference without actually adding tangible value to Arizona's post-season prospects. Tui is pretty much in the same position at Washington - promoted from within, lost even more starters than Arizona, starting multiple true freshmen at critical positions, no returning true passing OH etc. et. The same LBSU team Arizona can't even manage to score 20 points on at home, Washington beat on the road. I have no personanl issue with Stubbs, truly I don't, but I call it like I see it and Arizona simply has no reason other than coaching to continually be this bad. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 15, 2023 14:26:30 GMT -5
rita worked with the middles, end of story. Despite all the team's other flaws, middle may be the weakest position at UA, so this should be concerning. People are also bringing in perspectives from the prior HC stint, too. Also, did you read the quotes in kimdc's article? That gives off bigger red flags than anything that's happened on the court so far this year. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Sept 15, 2023 14:35:43 GMT -5
rita worked with the middles, end of story. Despite all the team's other flaws, middle may be the weakest position at UA, so this should be concerning. People are also bringing in perspectives from the prior HC stint, too. Also, did you read the quotes in kimdc 's article? That gives off bigger red flags than anything that's happened on the court so far this year. well nicole was a walk-on now being thrust into a starting role because of wroblicky's medical retirement and our inability to get another middle. if you look at the expectations of the middles on the roster coming out of high school, this isnt much of a surprise. if we're going by recruiting rankings and such, thats by FAR the least talented group on paper. even more than the libero spot. i read kim's article, love her coverage. i don't want to say too much about the previous coaching stint of Rita's. NC State was one of the worst teams in the nation before she took over and she had more conference success than the coach before her. she also has said multiple times that there were things she did wrong and were going to change this time around as a head coach. i think the bigger prior HC situation is the one at arizona. the culture and the frustration that the players are alluding to did not start this season. i really just wouldnt like to say more about it in a public board like this, but i will say, whether rita was hired or the entire coaching staff was cleaned out, this was always going to be a problem. we'll have to wait a couple years for the 100% culture shift we need. luckily, oregon and washington wont have to deal with us anymore after this season. |
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Post by manyshaped on Sept 15, 2023 14:54:15 GMT -5
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Post by socalvbhomer on Sept 15, 2023 15:25:00 GMT -5
Despite all the team's other flaws, middle may be the weakest position at UA, so this should be concerning. People are also bringing in perspectives from the prior HC stint, too. Also, did you read the quotes in kimdc 's article? That gives off bigger red flags than anything that's happened on the court so far this year. well nicole was a walk-on now being thrust into a starting role because of wroblicky's medical retirement and our inability to get another middle. if you look at the expectations of the middles on the roster coming out of high school, this isnt much of a surprise. if we're going by recruiting rankings and such, thats by FAR the least talented group on paper. even more than the libero spot. i read kim's article, love her coverage. i don't want to say too much about the previous coaching stint of Rita's. NC State was one of the worst teams in the nation before she took over and she had more conference success than the coach before her. she also has said multiple times that there were things she did wrong and were going to change this time around as a head coach. i think the bigger prior HC situation is the one at arizona. the culture and the frustration that the players are alluding to did not start this season. i really just wouldnt like to say more about it in a public board like this, but i will say, whether rita was hired or the entire coaching staff was cleaned out, this was always going to be a problem. we'll have to wait a couple years for the 100% culture shift we need. luckily, oregon and washington wont have to deal with us anymore after this season. She’s gonna have to be willing to change to change to make a culture change, and according to the last quote of the article… business as usual with this coach as the past coach -Az volleyball deserves better than that from their LEADER |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2023 15:35:31 GMT -5
Tui is pretty much in the same position at Washington - promoted from within, lost even more starters than Arizona, starting multiple true freshmen at critical positions, no returning true passing OH etc. et. The same LBSU team Arizona can't even manage to score 20 points on at home, Washington beat on the road. I have no personanl issue with Stubbs, truly I don't, but I call it like I see it and Arizona simply has no reason other than coaching to continually be this bad. We're all annoyed with Arizona for being a drain on the conference RPI right now, but this seems unfair. And Washington does have a network of recruiting and a culture of expecting success that they have built up over the past 20 years or so -- one that Arizona doesn't have. I think the cupboard was not quite as bare in Seattle as it was in Tucson. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 15, 2023 18:25:44 GMT -5
uofaGRAD, you better have some great memes to throw back at ay if Pepperdine closes this set out. Edit: And they do, -21, -17, -19 to a 2-6 team.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 15, 2023 18:33:13 GMT -5
if one of the Washington middles has a good week and Li had a slight dropoff, I’m sure they’ll be inclined to throw someone else a bone. especially in a week where cal might go 0-2 and Washington can beat like utah and colorado Kierstyn Barton put her name in the hat for FOW with a breakout match against Cal Poly - 26 kills hitting .436 at OH. Fingers crossed for how the remainder of the week goes. A quick developing true freshman OH is a piece that UW could really use after losing Emoni Bush to injury. Hit -.308 today against Pepperdine, proving she's a freshman.  |
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Post by gocalbears on Sept 15, 2023 18:35:03 GMT -5
Will Maggie Li run the table in the FOW voting? I'm sort of kidding, but there really isn't that much competition. Considering the outing she had today...might be looking at 4 straight weeks. Interested to see how she does against Pac 12 level competition. |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 15, 2023 19:43:58 GMT -5
terrible day for the Pac!
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 15, 2023 19:45:24 GMT -5
uofaGRAD, you better have some great memes to throw back at ay if Pepperdine closes this set out. Edit: And they do, -21, -17, -19 to a 2-6 team. *shrug* this was a loss I predicted UW to have - I'm unbothered. Going into conference play 9-2? I'm content. |
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Post by vbfamily on Sept 15, 2023 22:19:03 GMT -5
Well, some bad loses but at least a few good ranked road wins so far at Texas, Purdue and Pitt…let’s go PAC! Great job ASU/Cal, just keep winning!!
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Post by trojansc on Sept 15, 2023 22:21:51 GMT -5
Well, some bad loses but at least a few good ranked road wins so far at Texas, Purdue and Pitt…let’s go PAC! Great job ASU/Cal, just keep winning!! I don't even think the losses were that bad. Honestly, this was an excellent day for the PAC. UCLA had done enough to afford a loss to Oklahoma, IMO. There were so many matches that could have been L's that went the PAC's way. |
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