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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 16, 2023 6:24:55 GMT -5
Even with Logan, those teams did not pass nearly as well as our Rio Quad team did (or Tokyo team did). If we're doing the VolleyMetrics thing, then sure. But the measure of good passing isn't necessarily a medium arc to the middle of the court that gives you "3" options. To me, that's like teaching to the test.
Feels like a medium arc to the middle of the court that gives you 3 options is a pretty good way to side out...
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 6:32:18 GMT -5
To be honest, of all the teams in the top 8, I'm probably the most OK with losing to Turkey, considering our record against them the past 5 years. The deserve a shot at the top spot in a tournament. I'm happy for them. I hope they beat China, LOL! Yeah seriously. I don’t know if there’s another team that plays in the top 5 so much but never wins the gold, like Turkiye. Brasil
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 6:33:06 GMT -5
Turks watching the game (at 5.00am in Turkiye!) outside on big screens kind of wish i was there instead of Kaçkar tonight lol. I will be watching though
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Post by joetrinsey on Jul 16, 2023 6:41:43 GMT -5
What is so different about international passing that it can't be done domestically? Yes the players jump higher, are smarter with their shots, and hit with more power, but that's not fundamentally different. Plumber passed all 6 rotations at Stanford, yet is struggling in Europe. It's almost cliche that USA's outsides can't pass, but many of them did so successfully for their colleges. So what's different? I find it hard to blame the domestic DS position when so many of these pins serve received all 6 spots.
A lot of it is just the difference between collegiate and pro in any sport. How many QBs light up the college ranks and do nothing in the pros? How many baseball players can hit college hitting but they can't do it in the majors?
And also, international teams struggle to pass too! USA has consistently been, at minimum, among the best passing team in the world for more than a decade. If anything, there's an argument that USA has over-prioritized passing and tempo while other teams have had success bailing themselves out of mediocre passing by terminating high balls.
The number of players in the entire world who can touch over 10', spike a ball over 55mph, and pass over 50% positive against top international competition is just not that many. I do think some of the European teams do a nice job of getting some of their heavy terminating players to go from being awful to merely mediocre passers. A player who can terminate a high ball while being a mediocre passer is a valuable commodity.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 6:44:52 GMT -5
I do like how the pin hitters saw a lot of improvement in blocking over the course of the VNL, Khalia especially.
I’d like to see a lot more service pressure. Donna being the best serve (save Hancock) shouldn’t be a thing
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Post by toomuchvb on Jul 16, 2023 6:54:23 GMT -5
wait our middles having 2 kills all match is surely hyperbolic? ? Chi went 2-2-4 Haleigh 0-3-4 Dana 0-0-6 Asjia 0-0-1 yikes Official stats? This is real? 😩😢😭
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 16, 2023 7:05:42 GMT -5
Going forward, does the US have any answer to Vargas? In the first 2 sets, Vargas took the US to the cleaners. yes. The defence of Lauren Carlini and the coaching of Giovanni Guidetti. I see what you did there.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 16, 2023 7:33:22 GMT -5
We have time. Hancock should not play again that. Well she HAS TO play tomorrow. At least we think she does. I thought JT was hurt
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 16, 2023 7:34:44 GMT -5
Because she doesn't defend well. OK. Because middles getting digs is one of my great joys in life. Nobody expects it, nobody is (seriously) upset when they shank it, and they get such pure joy out of such a simple volleyball action. But Dana (and Asjia) defend very well.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 16, 2023 7:35:40 GMT -5
Okay USA. Who we blaming? (Not Asjia of course). Sources, and evidence, etc. I know we’re all quick to throw my girl Micha under the bus, but was it really her fault? What say you? Cook, Karch and Micha are to blame.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 16, 2023 7:36:27 GMT -5
I gasped when she took that 2nd ball from Micha lol, like did she think it was someone else next to her lol Or she sized up the situation and thought she was the better setter there… I mean, who can blame her after this match?
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 16, 2023 7:39:05 GMT -5
plummer got to play this year. She flopped. Micha also got to play this year. She was solid until today. Big difference. You do realize Hancock did not cause the USA the match, Turkey is way better but USA doesn't have any good caliber international pin hitters. Hancock was all over the court and it so hypocritical that people say this about Hancock but when Carlini had the same issue in the VNL this year it was the defense and this match was the defense and it got exposed, even Cook is not good on international defense This is just stupid. JT, Lanier and Frantti are very good (minus passing). We need someone who can set and an OH2 who can hit above 150.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2023 7:45:27 GMT -5
Even with Logan, those teams did not pass nearly as well as our Rio Quad team did (or Tokyo team did). If we're doing the VolleyMetrics thing, then sure. But the measure of good passing isn't necessarily a medium arc to the middle of the court that gives you "3" options. To me, that's like teaching to the test. But those teams were shanking regardless.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 16, 2023 8:12:01 GMT -5
I know she's short but Pressley opposite try out? I've seen her hit a volleyball from damn near every spot on the court lol. She has that Hooker athleticism, a strong arm and the years of adjusting to Sedwick surely helped her OOS lol Accepting applications for opposite hopefuls She's done with volleyball, no? she was, but now she’s joining PVF and AU who knows how she’ll look, or on what pin, but man she has/had pro-level athleticism
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 16, 2023 8:35:49 GMT -5
she was, but now she’s joining PVF and AU who knows how she’ll look, or on what pin, but man she has/had pro-level athleticism Whatever happen to Pressley, as a college player she had such a high ceiling and disappeared. she took a season off, I think for her own physical health, and then in that year, found a boyfriend she liked and then decided she didn’t wanna leave the USA to play volleyball, which meant “retiring”. but now there’s volleyball in the USA so she’s playing now
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