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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 8:48:33 GMT -5
I think my absolutely hottest take is that if Carlini's health cannot be counted on,
Karch needs to make up with Carli Lloyd. As a second or third option. A option. something. lol
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 8:59:01 GMT -5
I think my absolutely hottest take is that if Carlini's health cannot be counted on, Karch needs to make up with Carli Lloyd. As a second or third option. A option. something. lol I doubt that, he has burned too many bridges and I don't know what happened in the gym because there were a few players that decided to leave around the same time too, but again it wasn't the setting yesterday and usually the first thing coaches blame are the setters and not the hitters. There was a double standard on this forum when Carlini was not taken out when the USA was having poor passing match that they lost, now USA had the worst passing performance IMO of any of the teams in this year's VNL and Hancock was running around like anything else, but people blame her. For the first time I was proud that the pins got blamed for their poor performance, Cook doesn't actually hit unless she has a perfect set, which the job of the pin is to take out the trash. the whole "blaming" specific players thing is stupid. This is a team sport. (this is not to say that they cannot be critiqued.... but there's a certain few on here that just go too far, they know who they are) Everyone had faults. If you want to blame someone, I'd suggest the people/staff who aren't setting them up for success... but are getting paid 500,000 a year to do that lol.
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Post by medusa on Jul 16, 2023 9:20:40 GMT -5
Vargas was the X factor.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 16, 2023 9:22:35 GMT -5
I stand up for Hancock because how she gets treated here and it's not fair because she has the whole packing that Carlini and Poulter lack but everyone wants a perfect set, not saying Hancock does not, but she also brings all the other aspects to the game that the other lack. if defense is a part of your complete package, Carlini brings that and Hancock does not.
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Post by ndodge on Jul 16, 2023 9:24:16 GMT -5
Also usa players get injured way more than anyone else. They literally have missing starters every single match. The excuse can’t always be missing injured players…. Or some of the players with minor injuries are just gonna have to play through it like the other teams… i dont think its an excuse as much as its just unfortunate. I think Karch bringing Carlini fully knowing she was not 100% is wrong and should be ridiculed. I dont care what this board thinks of Ashley or Tori... a backup setter is better than none. If you're not going to bring a backup... roster jordan or something. or someone to pass. i dont know im just rambling now lol If Carlini health was questionable and Evans clearly struggled, maybe mixing in Tori earlier in VNL would have been wise (to essentially audition for decent chance of backup setter with Evans?). Then again he still brought Carlini even though he wasn't going to play her (unless presumably Hancock became more injured than her).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2023 9:24:49 GMT -5
I think my absolutely hottest take is that if Carlini's health cannot be counted on, Karch needs to make up with Carli Lloyd. As a second or third option. A option. something. lol It's sad that we won't see that happen. It's crazy to think that we had her as an option and were taking Evans, nothing against Evans but Lloyd had a really good year in Italy, IIRC.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 9:26:43 GMT -5
I think my absolutely hottest take is that if Carlini's health cannot be counted on, Karch needs to make up with Carli Lloyd. As a second or third option. A option. something. lol It's sad that we won't see that happen. It's crazy to think that we had her as an option and were taking Evans, nothing against Evans but Lloyd had a really good year in Italy, IIRC. It doesnt have to be about Ashley. Its just they need more than two options if Carlini cant do it. Neither Ashley or tori Dilfer has the experience that Carli does... and I think last night was a good example of in crunch time, who has the more experience.
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 9:31:47 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Hancock have a worse match? This is more normal than not in big international matches for her. See her pro seasons.
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 9:42:46 GMT -5
bullcrap. She earned her role by default; cuz Carlini took two weeks off and Karch doesnt like her, and Poulter blew her knee out. Time for a change Hancock definetly deserved the starting spot. She had one real bad game this VNL and it was this one. We can't even blame her for the lose it was a total team defeat. Setters are only going to look good if their players are playing well. Her leadership was unparallele and was critic to even get this far. Hancock was serviceable but not incredible.. Everyone knows Carlini is injured ( back and quad ) and everyone really knows that her skillset is higher and elevates the team to the next level when she's on. Hancock had her best tournament for USA, maybe ever. I don't think she's ever even set this many matches in a summer. Good for her. All that said, she didn't really even have competition for her spot this VNL and was able to get into a good rhythm setting the core group. Then there's Karch mishandling Carlini by making her come back injured and then play with the worst receivers on the team that he didn't even take to the finals. WTAF was that? Karch might as well kick LC off the team. He clearly keeps setting her up to fail. Next time take a backup that is healthy and let LC and others like Chi rest at home. Larson will come back and kick Kelsey to the curb. Just wait.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 9:45:54 GMT -5
“The setting was not the issue yesterday”……..the thing is, there wasnt a single “the issue” yesterday. There were several. The setting however, was “an issue”.
Zehra Gunes is a player who sometimes has a great game and sometimes underperforms but i have never seen her dominate the net like that. Eda Erdem looked 5 years younger.
Cook couldnt score to save her life. Yes she isnt a world class hitter but she is not Meliha Diken. Drews couldnt find the floor after set 1. The middles were never set whatsoever. And dont pull the double standard card because the usa mens team uses the middles plenty, and have 2 borderline world class wing spikers anyway.
The final play was a good pass in to Hancock, and she telegraphed the pipe to Thompson (and it was a poor set) which led to a triple block of Karakurt, Guneş, and Vargas. Of course thats getting blocked and hard. I couldnt tell if Karakurt or Guneş blocked it because they both had their hands in line with the ball.
Just come on.
Im not saying she is the sole culprit or should be exiled from the team, but lets not “reject the evidence of our eyes and ears”.
Maybe we just arent as good post-Tokyo as we hoped. Maybe JT was a flash in the pan. Maybe Annie Drews really was Nick Foles. It’s a horrible shame the luck Poulter has had with injuries. MBH retiring quietly looks like a huge loss, Larson we have struggled to replace also.
But that being said this is still an exciting squad of young, entertaining, and bright players. I will still enjoy what we have and still rip Karch every time he pisses me off with his shallow yet obstinate coaching.
Sorry for the essay.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 9:46:51 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Hancock have a worse match? This is more normal than not in big international matches for her. See her pro seasons. true. Unfortunately
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 9:47:40 GMT -5
I think my absolutely hottest take is that if Carlini's health cannot be counted on, Karch needs to make up with Carli Lloyd. As a second or third option. A option. something. lol *Glass
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 9:51:06 GMT -5
Where is ReachWe got some STANK coming into the match I had a busy day and couldn't watch
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 16, 2023 9:53:22 GMT -5
Where is Reach We got some STANK coming into the match I had a busy day and couldn't watch so this is your fault.
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 9:56:13 GMT -5
I had a busy day and couldn't watch so this is your fault. This isn't my fault. When do we get to try out a new coach?
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