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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:05:33 GMT -5
Hancock was serviceable but not incredible.. Everyone knows Carlini is injured ( back and quad ) and everyone really knows that her skillset is higher and elevates the team to the next level when she's on. Hancock had her best tournament for USA, maybe ever. I don't think she's ever even set this many matches in a summer. Good for her. All that said, she didn't really even have competition for her spot this VNL and was able to get into a good rhythm setting the core group. Then there's Karch mishandling Carlini by making her come back injured and then play with the worst receivers on the team that he didn't even take to the finals. WTAF was that? Karch might as well kick LC off the team. He clearly keeps setting her up to fail. Next time take a backup that is healthy and let LC and others like Chi rest at home. Larson will come back and kick Kelsey to the curb. Just wait. Carlini lacks the overall package that goes beyond skill set, she might have lifted her team in college but not on the international level. Carlini is not a leader on the international game and comes with demeanor and attitude also Hancock is more athletic than Carlini. Also understand that Carlini was a setter her whole life, while Hancock was trained to be one by Russ what are you talking about dude? Carlini is the most rangey setter in the women’s game, shes easily more athletic than Hancock. I dont watch much college ball but she clearly lifts her team’s performance especially when the passing is messy. Thats literally what we needed last night (i understand she is injured and likely unavailable)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 16, 2023 10:06:16 GMT -5
Carlini lacks the overall package that goes beyond skill set, she might have lifted her team in college but not on the international level. Carlini is not a leader on the international game and comes with demeanor and attitude also Hancock is more athletic than Carlini. Also understand that Carlini was a setter her whole life, while Hancock was trained to be one by Russ what are you talking about dude? Carlini is the most rangey setter in the women’s game, shes easily more athletic than Hancock. I dont watch much college ball but she clearly lifts her team’s performance especially when the passing is messy. Thats literally what we needed last night (i understand she is injured and likely unavailable) Delusion
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:06:59 GMT -5
what are you talking about dude? Carlini is the most rangey setter in the women’s game, shes easily more athletic than Hancock. I dont watch much college ball but she clearly lifts her team’s performance especially when the passing is messy. Thats literally what we needed last night (i understand she is injured and likely unavailable) Delusion me or him?
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Post by skullars on Jul 16, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -5
You do realize Hancock did not cause the USA the match, Turkey is way better but USA doesn't have any good caliber international pin hitters. Hancock was all over the court and it so hypocritical that people say this about Hancock but when Carlini had the same issue in the VNL this year it was the defense and this match was the defense and it got exposed, even Cook is not good on international defense This is just stupid. JT, Lanier and Frantti are very good (minus passing). We need someone who can set and an OH2 who can hit above 150. (1) it’s an opinion that isn’t “stupid”; (2) JT, Lanier & Frantti ARE good, but you can’t “minus passing”. Passing is part of the international game (not so much for OPP). IMHO, an OH is only “very good” if they back up good point-scoring with solid passing (based on stats); (3) USA already has “someone who can set”, more than one. And what does that even mean? (4) The OH2 who can hit >150 is legit but I’d add “and can also pass and play solid defense”.
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 10:11:56 GMT -5
Carlini lacks the overall package that goes beyond skill set, she might have lifted her team in college but not on the international level. Carlini is not a leader on the international game and comes with demeanor and attitude also Hancock is more athletic than Carlini. Also understand that Carlini was a setter her whole life, while Hancock was trained to be one by Russ what are you talking about dude? Carlini is the most rangey setter in the women’s game, shes easily more athletic than Hancock. I dont watch much college ball but she clearly lifts her team’s performance especially when the passing is messy. Thats literally what we needed last night (i understand she is injured and likely unavailable) Carlini has yet to have a worse professional season than any USA setter. Elevating teams is what she does. Being besties with half the team is where she comes short.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:14:31 GMT -5
what are you talking about dude? Carlini is the most rangey setter in the women’s game, shes easily more athletic than Hancock. I dont watch much college ball but she clearly lifts her team’s performance especially when the passing is messy. Thats literally what we needed last night (i understand she is injured and likely unavailable) Carlini has yet to have a worse professional season than any USA setter. Elevating teams is what she does. Being besties with half the team is where she comes short. poulter for UYBA was better, lets not get carried away. If we need her to be besties i guess ya gotta just sign Madi Kingdon
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 10:19:09 GMT -5
Carlini has yet to have a worse professional season than any USA setter. Elevating teams is what she does. Being besties with half the team is where she comes short. poulter for UYBA was better, lets not get carried away. If we need her to be besties i guess ya gotta just sign Madi Kingdon Carlini set scandicci and thy into the CL… won the CL with Novara and pushed THY to their best seasons ever. Her only dud was Moscow. Poulter had one good season at UYBA a great 2021 Olympic season and then was a dud after. She needed to rest but wasn’t allowed to. Hancock has had?
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:22:05 GMT -5
Most aces titles. also Poulter was very good the year after the olympics til she got hurt the first time
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Post by bruinsgold on Jul 16, 2023 10:23:08 GMT -5
poulter for UYBA was better, lets not get carried away. If we need her to be besties i guess ya gotta just sign Madi Kingdon Hancock has had? Kosheleva. End of discussion.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 16, 2023 10:24:31 GMT -5
poulter for UYBA was better, lets not get carried away. If we need her to be besties i guess ya gotta just sign Madi Kingdon Carlini set scandicci and thy into the CL… won the CL with Novara and pushed THY to their best seasons ever. Her only dud was Moscow. Poulter had one good season at UYBA a great 2021 Olympic season and then was a dud after. She needed to rest but wasn’t allowed to. Hancock has had? topspin serve
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Post by Reach on Jul 16, 2023 10:25:33 GMT -5
Carlini set scandicci and thy into the CL… won the CL with Novara and pushed THY to their best seasons ever. Her only dud was Moscow. Poulter had one good season at UYBA a great 2021 Olympic season and then was a dud after. She needed to rest but wasn’t allowed to. Hancock has had? topspin serve Something that could actually help team USA but karch handicaps that as well.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:26:27 GMT -5
Carlini set scandicci and thy into the CL… won the CL with Novara and pushed THY to their best seasons ever. Her only dud was Moscow. Poulter had one good season at UYBA a great 2021 Olympic season and then was a dud after. She needed to rest but wasn’t allowed to. Hancock has had? topspin serve a bloody good one too, lets give credit where due
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Post by PostPrime on Jul 16, 2023 10:28:55 GMT -5
Where was Thompson?
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:30:03 GMT -5
on the bench until the last 5 points, we assumed she was injured
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Post by timduckforlife on Jul 16, 2023 10:40:13 GMT -5
Despite how bad we played, we had a chance in that 4th set. IMO, what that means to me is that it falls squarely on coaching. At what point, when you have an OPP that has as many errors as kills do you leave her in. Not only that, but shows she was a liability on defense. And then to sub her out late in the 4th set? I mean, why not earlier? Clearly if JT is able and ready to play, she should've been subbed in sooner. And if she's not healthy, we have a huge roster, changes can be made pre-finals. Further, you have a setter that is having a realistically terrible match. And you have Carlini on the bench, she should've been subbed in. Sure, maybe she's injured, but then why is she taking up a roster spot? How many other setters are there? Poulter maybe? There has to be options. We became completely 1 dimensional to the OH's. We had nothing else.
We need to also add some versatility to the offense. It's been suggested Plummer to OPP, since she can be a liability on passing. Hell, we saw Speraw do that with DeFalco one match to roll the dice and dude was phenomenal. I think we can all respect the thinking outside the box. And yeah, Plummer wasn't there, well, there's other OH's out there you can try. KCook could've done it, but never got off the bench...
Further, this is in the USA. You wanna put your best team out there. Put our best on display. Show the US audience what the top level of the sport is like to help promote the game, promote the future pro-league and to give it a good kickstart. Show what real volleyball looks like. Instead, we can't serve tough. Micha is reined in on her jump serve, float after float after float that was dimed consistently.
Sorry for the rant, but so disappointed in this match that was winnable and coaching, IMO, is what lost it for us.
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