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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:44:53 GMT -5
Despite how bad we played, we had a chance in that 4th set. IMO, what that means to me is that it falls squarely on coaching. At what point, when you have an OPP that has as many errors as kills do you leave her in. Not only that, but shows she was a liability on defense. And then to sub her out late in the 4th set? I mean, why not earlier? Clearly if JT is able and ready to play, she should've been subbed in sooner. And if she's not healthy, we have a huge roster, changes can be made pre-finals. Further, you have a setter that is having a realistically terrible match. And you have Carlini on the bench, she should've been subbed in. Sure, maybe she's injured, but then why is she taking up a roster spot? How many other setters are there? Poulter maybe? There has to be options. We became completely 1 dimensional to the OH's. We had nothing else. We need to also add some versatility to the offense. It's been suggested Plummer to OPP, since she can be a liability on passing. Hell, we saw Speraw do that with DeFalco one match to roll the dice and dude was phenomenal. I think we can all respect the thinking outside the box. And yeah, Plummer wasn't there, well, there's other OH's out there you can try. KCook could've done it, but never got off the bench... Further, this is in the USA. You wanna put your best team out there. Put our best on display. Show the US audience what the top level of the sport is like to help promote the game, promote the future pro-league and to give it a good kickstart. Show what real volleyball looks like. Instead, we can't serve tough. Micha is reined in on her jump serve, float after float after float that was dimed consistently. Sorry for the rant, but so disappointed in this match that was winnable and coaching, IMO, is what lost it for us. mostly agree. One small point. Poulter had a triple knee tear this season and is out indefinitely, unfortunately
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Post by timduckforlife on Jul 16, 2023 10:56:22 GMT -5
Despite how bad we played, we had a chance in that 4th set. IMO, what that means to me is that it falls squarely on coaching. At what point, when you have an OPP that has as many errors as kills do you leave her in. Not only that, but shows she was a liability on defense. And then to sub her out late in the 4th set? I mean, why not earlier? Clearly if JT is able and ready to play, she should've been subbed in sooner. And if she's not healthy, we have a huge roster, changes can be made pre-finals. Further, you have a setter that is having a realistically terrible match. And you have Carlini on the bench, she should've been subbed in. Sure, maybe she's injured, but then why is she taking up a roster spot? How many other setters are there? Poulter maybe? There has to be options. We became completely 1 dimensional to the OH's. We had nothing else. We need to also add some versatility to the offense. It's been suggested Plummer to OPP, since she can be a liability on passing. Hell, we saw Speraw do that with DeFalco one match to roll the dice and dude was phenomenal. I think we can all respect the thinking outside the box. And yeah, Plummer wasn't there, well, there's other OH's out there you can try. KCook could've done it, but never got off the bench... Further, this is in the USA. You wanna put your best team out there. Put our best on display. Show the US audience what the top level of the sport is like to help promote the game, promote the future pro-league and to give it a good kickstart. Show what real volleyball looks like. Instead, we can't serve tough. Micha is reined in on her jump serve, float after float after float that was dimed consistently. Sorry for the rant, but so disappointed in this match that was winnable and coaching, IMO, is what lost it for us. mostly agree. One small point. Poulter had a triple knee tear this season and is out indefinitely, unfortunately ah, didn't know that about Poulter. Is there someone else though? If you're dealing with hurt people, maybe give roster spots to healthy people
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Jul 16, 2023 10:58:56 GMT -5
mostly agree. One small point. Poulter had a triple knee tear this season and is out indefinitely, unfortunately ah, didn't know that about Poulter. Is there someone else though? If you're dealing with hurt people, maybe give roster spots to healthy people theres several really mediocre at best american setters playing in Europe. Lilley, Evans, for example. And i guess Lloyd is still playing. But theyre not really reliable options. I still wouldve rostered one of them over Carlini if she really isnt able to play. Going forward though, its probably Carlini and Hancock for the foreseeable future.
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Post by timduckforlife on Jul 16, 2023 11:02:15 GMT -5
ah, didn't know that about Poulter. Is there someone else though? If you're dealing with hurt people, maybe give roster spots to healthy people theres several really mediocre at best american setters playing in Europe. Lilley, Evans, for example. And i guess Lloyd is still playing. But theyre not really reliable options. I still wouldve rostered one of them over Carlini if she really isnt able to play. Going forward though, its probably Carlini and Hancock for the foreseeable future. no doubt. I'm not knocking on Carlini at all. She's proven to be one of the best in the world at the pro-level. Just if she isn't even healthy enough to play and just taking up a spot on the bench, then you gotta change your roster.
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Post by enchantress on Jul 16, 2023 11:05:27 GMT -5
on the bench until the last 5 points, we assumed she was injured this was absolutely the most galling coaching decision to me. she had her jacket on so we all assumed she was unavailable and then the camera shows her subbing in... the disbelief! thank gawd i was high so i just laughed my *ss off instead of raged out lol
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Post by Wichsen on Jul 16, 2023 11:28:11 GMT -5
Lol it's funny how others think it's Hancock's fault? Almost everyone in the aren't even playing good. Cook 1st can't pass and kill! The passing arent good especially the 1st 2 set's, no option but to give it to pin hitters. Not to mention the errors!!! And even kk sub is a question mark!
Guess what he will keep and start with the same starters for today's match!
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Post by Wichsen on Jul 16, 2023 11:30:43 GMT -5
Plummer doesn't want to play opposite! It was her decision to play as OH. Unless she now realizes she doesn't have a place for that OH spot! We need someone who can convince her to play as OPP. Lol
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Post by vballspectator on Jul 16, 2023 11:51:48 GMT -5
Rewatching the match again and I have another thought: I think everyone was so quick to blame Micha or the passing when really I think our biggest problem is our own serving. We had so many serve errors and never really put Turkey under pressure with the serve. Way to easy for them to get the balls to Vargas and Ebrar.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 16, 2023 11:53:30 GMT -5
I’ll post my nudes if usa wins So this is why the thread is so long… cause the volleyball wasn’t it.
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 16, 2023 11:56:52 GMT -5
Hancock was serviceable but not incredible.. Everyone knows Carlini is injured ( back and quad ) and everyone really knows that her skillset is higher and elevates the team to the next level when she's on. Hancock had her best tournament for USA, maybe ever. I don't think she's ever even set this many matches in a summer. Good for her. All that said, she didn't really even have competition for her spot this VNL and was able to get into a good rhythm setting the core group. Then there's Karch mishandling Carlini by making her come back injured and then play with the worst receivers on the team that he didn't even take to the finals. WTAF was that? Karch might as well kick LC off the team. He clearly keeps setting her up to fail. Next time take a backup that is healthy and let LC and others like Chi rest at home. Larson will come back and kick Kelsey to the curb. Just wait. Carlini lacks the overall package that goes beyond skill set, she might have lifted her team in college but not on the international level. Carlini is not a leader on the international game and comes with demeanor and attitude also Hancock is more athletic than Carlini. Also understand that Carlini was a setter her whole life, while Hancock was trained to be one by Russ Why are your takes always so consistently not based in reality. Do you watch the international club game? Carlini has performed better than any other US setter and has elevated club team to over perform year after year. Can I ask what your volleyball experience is? It seems you don’t understand the game at all
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Post by genisvel on Jul 16, 2023 12:00:05 GMT -5
Setting is so key that I think it's natural that the knee-jerk reaction to a loss is to finger-point setting.
The simple fact is that no one on the floor during the second set seemed to be "on".
JWO looked the worst she has all VNL. Serving has been an on-going issue all month. I don't know subbing would have helped. USA took until the 3rd set to find themselves and they just couldn't dig themselves out of the hole they created despite giving it a damn good try.
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 16, 2023 12:00:42 GMT -5
Lol it's funny how others think it's Hancock's fault? Almost everyone in the aren't even playing good. Cook 1st can't pass and kill! The passing arent good especially the 1st 2 set's, no option but to give it to pin hitters. Not to mention the errors!!! And even kk sub is a question mark! Guess what he will keep and start with the same starters for today's match! It wasn’t soley Hancock’s fault. She has been the best setter this VNL season, but yesterday she had her worse game. No middle involvement when there were chances, very inconsistent outside sets, and questionable decision making especially in 4th set. It’s ok to say she didn’t play good last night.
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 16, 2023 12:01:45 GMT -5
Why are your takes always so consistently not based in reality. Do you watch the international club game? Carlini has performed better than any other US setter and has elevated club team to over perform year after year. Can I ask what your volleyball experience is? It seems you don’t understand the game at all Because you do and volleyball is athletics it is more than being able to play one sport and being good at one position....you look at Logan Tom she could set play OH, Middle, and OPP, she also played basketball what is your expertise before you question myself and others I play and have been coaching the past 10 years. I don’t understand your counterpoint ha. Ok we’re done here
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 16, 2023 12:06:48 GMT -5
JWO was no help to the defense and was a very big part of the problem but nobody is saying anything about that the Libero is supposed to stabilize the defense and she did not, she is not an international Libero and the Turkey Libero did everything and was key to the win, so before anyone picks on Hancock look at the OHs and OPP and Libero that could not pass a thing...sorry but this forum abuses Hancock like nobody else compared to others You have quickly become one of the most annoying users on this site. Plenty of people commented on JWO’s subpar performance yesterday, you’re just making stuff up and babbling.
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Post by yupyupyup on Jul 16, 2023 12:09:19 GMT -5
JWO was no help to the defense and was a very big part of the problem but nobody is saying anything about that the Libero is supposed to stabilize the defense and she did not, she is not an international Libero and the Turkey Libero did everything and was key to the win, so before anyone picks on Hancock look at the OHs and OPP and Libero that could not pass a thing...sorry but this forum abuses Hancock like nobody else compared to others So you believe Hancock had a good game last night? When you were watching her play, you thought she was consistent in her set placement when in system, put up a consistent hittable ball when oos, made good setting decisions? Do you have any criticism of how she played?
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