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Post by psuvbfan10 on Aug 6, 2023 18:19:53 GMT -5
or have a good non-con (with Creighton/MU having one as well) and beating one of them in the regular season. I dont think that's likely though. Im looking at non-cons.... oh dear... lol none of them could get an at large without beating CU/MU in the regular season trojansc for RPI... is it better for the conference to win a ton in the nonconference or play good teams? DePaul, Villanova, St johns, and Xavier all are... not good teams So I actually thought of that when I was responding and wondered if a surprise team breaks out and beats both Creighton and Marquette, would that be enough to get them in at an at large with their weak non-conference? I don’t know to be honest. I think for starters Creighton and Marquette would have to do great in their non-conference games (which is really strong) because otherwise I think losing to one of the 4 teams during the regular season you’ve mentioned might just knock out the whole conference from the at large conversation. I’m not an expert on RPI, so I’m just sharing my thoughts on it. I’m sure trojansc can fills us in better on that. If a team were to have splits with Creighton and Marquette during the reg season AND got to the BE finals only to lose this hypothetical team can NOT afford any bad losses IMHO. |
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Post by volleyballwriter on Aug 6, 2023 18:27:36 GMT -5
I believe there was a year SJU won and only one team got an at large between Marquette and Creighton...don't remember who
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Post by trojansc on Aug 6, 2023 18:29:10 GMT -5
hangonsloopy and @avid Creighton and Marquette want to schedule very very tough - and they want each other to win as much as possible. If they think one of Villanova/St John's/DePaul could be good enough to get into the Top 50 RPI - they wouldn't mind those teams scheduling some good teams in order to give them a good RPI and possibly end up as significant wins/bonus points for Creighton/Marquette. Otherwise, they want all the other Big East teams to win at whatever cost. It's most important with RPI to have your conference mates win games. IF they can win games against tougher competition - that's an added bonus. It's really bad when your worst teams in the conference schedule tough - they end up with like 3-27 records that just completely destroy RPI.
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Post by hangonsloopy on Aug 6, 2023 18:30:07 GMT -5
So I actually thought of that when I was responding and wondered if a surprise team breaks out and beats both Creighton and Marquette, would that be enough to get them in at an at large with their weak non-conference? I don’t know to be honest. I think for starters Creighton and Marquette would have to do great in their non-conference games (which is really strong) because otherwise I think losing to one of the 4 teams during the regular season you’ve mentioned might just knock out the whole conference from the at large conversation. I’m not an expert on RPI, so I’m just sharing my thoughts on it. I’m sure trojansc can fills us in better on that. If a team were to have splits with Creighton and Marquette during the reg season AND got to the BE finals only to lose this hypothetical team can NOT afford any bad losses IMHO. Agreed, I guess my question is if that hypothetical team does get wins over Creighton and Marquette and also has a bad loss or two. Would that affect Creighton and Marquette’s RPI and their at large pictures negatively. To add a layer to it, if Creighton and Marquette balled out in their strong non-conference games. Would that automatically carry to that hypothetical team that would beat them in the regular season? Would it matter if they had a bad loss? |
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Post by hangonsloopy on Aug 6, 2023 18:34:24 GMT -5
hangonsloopy and @avid Creighton and Marquette want to schedule very very tough - and they want each other to win as much as possible. If they think one of Villanova/St John's/DePaul could be good enough to get into the Top 50 RPI - they wouldn't mind those teams scheduling some good teams in order to give them a good RPI and possibly end up as significant wins/bonus points for Creighton/Marquette. Otherwise, they want all the other Big East teams to win at whatever cost. It's most important with RPI to have your conference mates win games. IF they can win games against tougher competition - that's an added bonus. It's really bad when your worst teams in the conference schedule tough - they end up with like 3-27 records that just completely destroy RPI. Thanks for breaking it down for us! |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 6, 2023 18:35:43 GMT -5
hangonsloopy and @avid Creighton and Marquette want to schedule very very tough - and they want each other to win as much as possible. If they think one of Villanova/St John's/DePaul could be good enough to get into the Top 50 RPI - they wouldn't mind those teams scheduling some good teams in order to give them a good RPI and possibly end up as significant wins/bonus points for Creighton/Marquette. these are their non-cons Xavier: Indiana St, Cincinnati, Alabama St, Colorado, Northern Colorado, Charlotte, Buffalo, Mizzou, Bellarmine, NKU, Kennesaw St Johns: Ole Miss, Arizona St, FGCU, Utah Tech, New Mexico, CSU Bakersfield, Albany, Siena, Stony Brook, Loyola Maryland, Bryant, Arkansas, Buffalo UConn: Georgia, Western Carolina, Florida State, Hofstra, Merrimack, Lehigh, Sacred Heart, Rhode Island, Yale, Michigan St, Binghampton, Brown DePaul: South Dakota, Iowa State, Buffalo, Binghampton, Montana, Northern Illinois, St Thomas, Evansville, Milwauke, Loyola chicago, UIC Villanova: UNI, Milwaukee, Western Michigan, Maryland Eastern shore, Notre Dame, Santa Clara, Penn, Delaware, Rider, Lehigh, Sacred Heart, Saint Francis I guess there's some RPI potential for some of those teams. |
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Aug 6, 2023 18:39:50 GMT -5
Interesting both C & M play Purdue before BE matches start.
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Post by Steve vb on Aug 6, 2023 19:22:26 GMT -5
IMO, the only path for a 3rd team to make it to the NCAA tourney is to upset Creighton and Marquette in the Big East Tournament. or have a good non-con (with Creighton/MU having one as well) and beating one of them in the regular season. I dont think that's likely though. Im looking at non-cons.... oh dear... lol none of them could get an at large without beating CU/MU in the regular season trojansc for RPI... is it better for the conference to win a ton in the nonconference or play good teams? DePaul, Villanova, St johns, and Xavier all are... not good teams The other teams are still at the point of trying to win games and have a winning culture. Trying to schedule tough enough to warrent an at-large bid probably would not help them much yet. However, as I write this, my other local team, the Omaha Mavericks have decided to have a very difficult and ambitious non-conference schedule that will likely lead to a losing record in non-conference play. |
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Post by Steve vb on Aug 6, 2023 19:27:29 GMT -5
I believe there was a year SJU won and only one team got an at large between Marquette and Creighton...don't remember who That was just a few years ago, and while I know that Creighton received an at-large bid that year, I think that Marquette did too. |
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Post by volleyballwriter on Aug 6, 2023 19:29:02 GMT -5
I believe there was a year SJU won and only one team got an at large between Marquette and Creighton...don't remember who That was just a few years ago, and while I know that Creighton received an at-large bid that year, I think that Marquette did too. That year I remember but there was a year where it was St. John's for the tournament and either one of the other two, wasn't there also a year where only Creighton got in? |
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Post by Steve vb on Aug 6, 2023 19:36:19 GMT -5
That was just a few years ago, and while I know that Creighton received an at-large bid that year, I think that Marquette did too. That year I remember but there was a year where it was St. John's for the tournament and either one of the other two, wasn't there also a year where only Creighton got in? The year was 2019 in which St. Johns won the Big East tournament. Marquette qualified for the NCAA tournament and beat Dayton in the first round before losing to Purdue in the 2nd. Creighton also qualified for the NCAA tournament, beat Iowa State in the first round, then lost a great 5-set match to Minnesota in the 2nd. Edit to ad: There may have been years that Creighton qualified for the NCAA's and Marquette did not, but I don't remember. |
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Post by badgerblockparty on Aug 6, 2023 20:47:03 GMT -5
The year was 2019 in which St. Johns won the Big East tournament. Marquette qualified for the NCAA tournament and beat Dayton in the first round before losing to Purdue in the 2nd. Creighton also qualified for the NCAA tournament, beat Iowa State in the first round, then lost a great 5-set match to Minnesota in the 2nd. Edit to ad: There may have been years that Creighton qualified for the NCAA's and Marquette did not, but I don't remember. Marquette has been to the ncaa tournament every year since 2010 except the spring 2021 tournament when it was only 48 teams. In spring of 2021, I think Creighton was the only Big East team in the 48 team tourney. I believe Creighton has been to the tournament quite a few years in a row. |
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Post by Steve vb on Aug 6, 2023 21:22:52 GMT -5
The year was 2019 in which St. Johns won the Big East tournament. Marquette qualified for the NCAA tournament and beat Dayton in the first round before losing to Purdue in the 2nd. Creighton also qualified for the NCAA tournament, beat Iowa State in the first round, then lost a great 5-set match to Minnesota in the 2nd. Edit to ad: There may have been years that Creighton qualified for the NCAA's and Marquette did not, but I don't remember. Marquette has been to the ncaa tournament every year since 2010 except the spring 2021 tournament when it was only 48 teams. I believe Creighton has been to the tournament quite a few years in a row. Sounds right to me. I couldn't remember the last time Marquette didn't qualify, as they are always my 2nd favorite team each year in the NCAA tourney. Hopefully Marquette and Creighton are both able to replace their very good liberos from last year. If they do, they could both be really good this year. |
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Post by volleynerdmw on Aug 6, 2023 22:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 6, 2023 22:28:26 GMT -5
he was an assistant at Appalachian state for a season... and then went into politics? weird... lol |
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