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Post by plm on Sept 18, 2005 21:27:40 GMT -5
I would agree with your thoughts on the NACWAA but for different reasons. Hawai'i was without Tara Hittle, a major component to Hawaii's offensive/defensive strategy so while Nebraska was playing without stalls and in the infancy of their 6-2, Hawai'i was not without problems of their own. I never said that Hawaii didn't have any problems at the NACWAA. Was Hittle & Mason 100% against Washington? I doubt it very much! I was only trying to prove the point that the NU team one saw at the NACWAA tourney is not the same one that you see playing now!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 18, 2005 21:53:30 GMT -5
Preliminary observations from Pablo this week: Instead of trying to channel the thoughts of the voters, I want to think about what the new Pablo rankings will look like. Here's things I see: 1) Hawaii's losses to Washington won't really move them down so much as to move Washington up. Washington was ranked 8th last week, but that was more of an upper limit, since their ranking was based on blowouts of weak teams. Now their rankings will be more solidified. Are solid 3 game wins over #13 Hawaii enough to move them into the #1 position? I could easily see them moving up 1500 points, which would put them just ahead of NU. Looks to be on the mark. Close at the top between NU/Washington. Hawaii actually creeps up a bit, it looks, helped by the drops of Tennessee, Santa Clara, and Notre Dame. UCLA's loss to Wisconsin probably hurt Hawaii a little, since that took shine off that win. Still they will move up. Looks like 3rd. uh-huh Ohio in the top 20, Tennessee drops out, it looks Utah moved up a lot more than SC went down. Utah into the top 20 Minnesota does stumble, looking to be behind Penn St this week. Final version will be available probably tomorrow evening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 21:58:36 GMT -5
I'm thinking College of Charleston burns on re-entry?
Curious about New Mexico State, IPFW, MSU, LSU...
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 18, 2005 22:00:08 GMT -5
I would agree with your thoughts on the NACWAA but for different reasons. Hawai'i was without Tara Hittle, a major component to Hawaii's offensive/defensive strategy so while Nebraska was playing without stalls and in the infancy of their 6-2, Hawai'i was not without problems of their own. I never said that Hawaii didn't have any problems at the NACWAA. Was Hittle & Mason 100% against Washington? I doubt it very much! I was only trying to prove the point that the NU team one saw at the NACWAA tourney is not the same one that you see playing now! Well they were both available for front row duty this past weekend. My point was whereas Nebraska may have improved, Hawai'i has also improved which would make Washington's victories over Hawai'i much more impressive than Nebraska's. Even though Hawai'i is the only common opponent for both Nebraska and Washington, the matches against Hawai'i aren't a good comparison. I don't think Washington has much run for improvement. What you see is what you get with the Huskies.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 18, 2005 22:01:10 GMT -5
Minnesota does stumble, looking to be behind Penn St this week. Hip Hip hooray! ;D
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 18, 2005 22:14:16 GMT -5
I'm thinking College of Charleston burns on re-entry? Curious about New Mexico State, IPFW, MSU, LSU... Having seen IPFW in person, I think they are a pretty good team, but they are small and they really had trouble with Florida's block. Not that Florida is an overly huge team, but they are compared to IPFW and they just couldn't get anything going, Florida blocked a lot of balls. Florida's middles really dominated that match
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 18, 2005 22:20:00 GMT -5
I'm thinking College of Charleston burns on re-entry? Dropped, but didn't crash. Had a nice win against South Carolina to keep them afloat, even with the drop of Tennessee. They are still behind Tennessee, though. NMSU and IPFW do drop some, it appears, but again, no crashing. MSU is hard to get the handle on. They were helped by KU's move to the top 25, but that loss to Sac St doesn't help. Sac St moves up, MSU moves down, it looks. LSU? Top 30. Still too many 4 and 5 game matches against teams over 100 holding them back for a 10 - 1 team. BTW, Pablo went 80.6% on those matches played since last Sunday.
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 18, 2005 22:28:28 GMT -5
I think LSU should get some consideration for having been on the road for every match, because of Katrina. They will remain on the road again, as both their matches will be played in Fayetteville, Arkansas, against South Carolina and Tennessee. They won't play at home until October 14th, so their first 17 matches will be away from home. They've overcome a lot.
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Post by plm on Sept 18, 2005 22:38:38 GMT -5
Even though Hawai'i is the only common opponent for both Nebraska and Washington, the matches against Hawai'i aren't a good comparison. I don't think Washington has much run for improvement. What you see is what you get with the Huskies. That's what I just said but you contradicted me. Unlike Washington in your opinion, NU will still improve a lot yet this year. The more that NU uses the 2 setter offense the better that they will get. Cook mentioned before the CU match that the setters need to go more to the middles and they did do a little better against CU with that. By going to the middles more that will make it even more confusing with who the other team will have to try to defend against.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Sept 18, 2005 22:58:23 GMT -5
So.... What will the new poll look like? I don't know, because many in the AVCA are self-serving putzim, so I won't waste my time trying to guess their juvenile punishment/reward/legacy system week by week. Personally, I put Nebraska at the top by a strong margin, Washington at number 2, and then, well, my gut feeling tells me that Stanford will repeat last year's performance of catching fire in November. Penn State and Minnesota are there in the top 5. Everyone else will be up and down and impossible to accurately judge until the first half of their conference's round-robin is complete.
Scary as it may be, it turns out that was the AVCA result last week. But everyone at 6-13 is based on agendas and playing favorites.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2005 23:53:39 GMT -5
My rankings (not Pablo predictions):
1. Nebraska 2. Washington 3. Stanford 4. Penn State 5. Minnesota 6. Florida 7. Louisville 8. Missouri 9. Hawai'i 10. Wisconsin 11. Notre Dame 12. USC 13. UCLA 14. San Diego 15. Ohio State 16. Kansas State 17. Santa Clara 18. Arizona 19. Saint Mary's 20. Purdue 21. BYU 22. Kansas 23. California 24. Texas 25. Ohio
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2005 0:06:07 GMT -5
My rankings (not Pablo predictions): 1. Nebraska 2. Washington 3. Stanford 4. Penn State 5. Minnesota 6. Florida 7. Louisville 8. Missouri 9. Hawai'i 10. Wisconsin 11. Notre Dame 12. USC 13. UCLA 14. San Diego 15. Ohio State 16. Kansas State 17. Santa Clara 18. Arizona 19. Saint Mary's 20. Purdue 21. BYU 22. Texas A&M 23. California 24. Texas 25. Ohio I agree with a part of the above post, this part................
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2005 0:08:26 GMT -5
Well, BIK, why don't you elaborate on what you disagree with or are you passionately indifferent to all of it?
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Post by huntz on Sept 19, 2005 0:28:59 GMT -5
Gosh where to start.
First off I never said that the win against Texas A&M was at home, but I did say that it was in the state of Texas where they have an obvious advantage. As for the win against St. Mary's like I said before I am not impresed with them. If you have seen them play and can offer me some insight then I might change my opinion.
I have seen some of the teams that you mention play (Kansas, Utah State), and while I don't know exactly how good you think they are I don't think that they are as good as you make them out to be. I mention Utah state because you seem to think that Missouri beating them gives them credibility. I'm a BYU fan and I don't think that BYU's win over them gives them any credibility at all!
And like so many of the teams that you have metnioned they are not good, and they are arguably not decent either.
Minnesotta was a good team for Kansas State to play, but they still lost.
And last of all I think that the Big 12 is the third best conference in the nation after the Pac 10 and Big 10. If that is considered dissing them then go ahead and think that. I am comparing two conferences here. Neither of them are conferences that I have any attachment to. I have seen teams from both confereces play, other than that I am going off of information that their schools provide.
I am making a case for Washington to stake a claim to be #1 because I feel they deserve it just as much as Nebraska does after watching them play against Hawaii, and traditionally in the NCAA tournament the PAC 10 teams to perform better.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2005 0:30:03 GMT -5
Well, BIK, why don't you elaborate on what you disagree with or are you passionately indifferent to all of it? Okay My rankings (not Pablo predictions): 6. Florida 7. Louisville 8. Missouri 9. Hawai'i Florida gets swept by Notre Dame, a team that loss to unranked LSU over the weekend. The Gators best win is a 5 game victory over USC (Hawai'i swept USC). They haven't played a top 10 team and they move ahead of Hawai'i who have 5 loses but all coming to top 5 teams.sO I aasume getting swept by Notre Dame isn't as bad as getting swept by U Dub twice? Lousiville only played one team currently ranked in the top 25 as of this writing ( LBSU will be out of the top 25 by tomorrow). The Cardinals have no bad losses but they have no good wins.... they haven't played anybody so to quote (R)uffda! "We don't know how good they are" Missouri has some nice wins but the Tigers haven't played anybody in the top 10. Hawai'i gets swept by the 2nd ranked Huskies twice and drop in the poll?....Poppycock!
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