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Post by hornshouse23 on Sept 14, 2023 13:19:14 GMT -5
I don’t think, from what I’ve seen at least, there are four teams better than BOTH of these teams. There’s a lot of season to play, so maybe but I think the original assertion here is pretty bizarre. I could see the final 4 being: Nebraska, Florida, Louisville, & Wisconsin. This is my early take lol I rebuke this. |
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Post by nevball17 on Sept 14, 2023 13:42:12 GMT -5
I'm hoping that we have been waiting to use Kira Hutson for this match. ACF was impressive in the last couple matches but we need some depth if she or Victoria struggles.
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Post by PeoriaBucky on Sept 14, 2023 13:49:55 GMT -5
We Badger fans can only hope. If TTA gets more chances in the back-row, things could be bleak. Maybe Damrow is a wildcard if the match gets to the "eff it, might as well try some things" stage in Sheff's view. I have never seen Wisconsin fans so full of dread. This is a preseason match in September. 8-9 weeks from now is when you know what you have as a team going into the play offs. It is a long season to sort things out. It's the curse of being #1. You must constantly amaze everyone and destroy all opponents, otherwise you're not playing to your potential. Needless to say, this model is unsustainable. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 14, 2023 15:23:38 GMT -5
I wish the setters would give up on the obligatory "go back to the hitter who was just blocked by a closed double block and give her another shot at the same blockers". Feed the middles and let's see what happens. Carter is an offensive beast when she gets a good set. CC had some strong kills last night, including from the right.
This to me, goes back to passing/back row defense. Look what happens when we get a pass in system: Booth or Smrek (before she transitions right) get a quick in the middle and they're basically impossible to stop. When athletic 6'7" and 6'9" come at you against one blocker, they're gonna score a majority of the time. But you gotta get in system to get that ball. Otherwise the setters basically have to go left or right when they're way off net on their set. It was nice seeing CC get a bit more involved offensively yesterday. I know it's hard to run slides in a 6-2 but I wonder if we can get some more of that out of her moving forward. I honestly didn't think the badgers did that well in system last night. We passed well enough for long periods of that match, but the Marquette D was well positioned on the middle attack and got a lot of balls up. It felt like the eagle block was either reading the setters or camping out on Robinson and she had a hard time scoring too. Franklin scored a ton on finesse shots, which tells me that Marquette had set up to stop some real strong tendencies in our attack and placement. Only Smrek hitting over the block seemed to be reliably effective, and CC because we don't set her that much. I think Theis did an excellent job preparing his team for that match, but it really suggests that the badgers have some tendencies that are getting picked up. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Sept 14, 2023 15:35:47 GMT -5
This to me, goes back to passing/back row defense. Look what happens when we get a pass in system: Booth or Smrek (before she transitions right) get a quick in the middle and they're basically impossible to stop. When athletic 6'7" and 6'9" come at you against one blocker, they're gonna score a majority of the time. But you gotta get in system to get that ball. Otherwise the setters basically have to go left or right when they're way off net on their set. It was nice seeing CC get a bit more involved offensively yesterday. I know it's hard to run slides in a 6-2 but I wonder if we can get some more of that out of her moving forward. I honestly didn't think the badgers did that well in system last night. We passed well enough for long periods of that match, but the Marquette D was well positioned on the middle attack and got a lot of balls up. It felt like the eagle block was either reading the setters or camping out on Robinson and she had a hard time scoring too. Franklin scored a ton on finesse shots, which tells me that Marquette had set up to stop some real strong tendencies in our attack and placement. Only Smrek hitting over the block seemed to be reliably effective, and CC because we don't set her that much. I think Theis did an excellent job preparing his team for that match, but it really suggests that the badgers have some tendencies that are getting picked up. Our middles didn't have any issue. Crawford, Booth, and Smrek all got kills perfectly fine out of the middle. I do agree Robinson was being camped hard and its clear Marquette was setting up deep on D. I do think Temi and Robinson both could work on finesse shots when a team sets up like Marquette did. As you said, Franklin did very well when she did those short rolls right into center court. At same time, both Hammil and Izzy were safe with their set selection last night. It was pretty predictable where they were going when even slightly out of system. They have both been better this year at forcing the middle and they need to keep doing that, as well as being unafraid to set Smrek when out of system. |
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Post by ndodge on Sept 14, 2023 16:14:23 GMT -5
I honestly didn't think the badgers did that well in system last night. We passed well enough for long periods of that match, but the Marquette D was well positioned on the middle attack and got a lot of balls up. It felt like the eagle block was either reading the setters or camping out on Robinson and she had a hard time scoring too. Franklin scored a ton on finesse shots, which tells me that Marquette had set up to stop some real strong tendencies in our attack and placement. Only Smrek hitting over the block seemed to be reliably effective, and CC because we don't set her that much. I think Theis did an excellent job preparing his team for that match, but it really suggests that the badgers have some tendencies that are getting picked up. Our middles didn't have any issue. Crawford, Booth, and Smrek all got kills perfectly fine out of the middle. I do agree Robinson was being camped hard and its clear Marquette was setting up deep on D. I do think Temi and Robinson both could work on finesse shots when a team sets up like Marquette did. As you said, Franklin did very well when she did those short rolls right into center court. At same time, both Hammil and Izzy were safe with their set selection last night. It was pretty predictable where they were going when even slightly out of system. They have both been better this year at forcing the middle and they need to keep doing that, as well as being unafraid to set Smrek when out of system. Yes, force Booth because she doesn't need that great of a set. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 14, 2023 16:35:40 GMT -5
We Badger fans can only hope. If TTA gets more chances in the back-row, things could be bleak. Maybe Damrow is a wildcard if the match gets to the "eff it, might as well try some things" stage in Sheff's view. I have never seen Wisconsin fans so full of dread. This is a preseason match in September. 8-9 weeks from now is when you know what you have as a team going into the play offs. It is a long season to sort things out. Yeah, I don't get it either. As a Wisconsin fan I am so excited for this match. The problem, I think, is that because of the overall roster continuity especially with starters, some fans thought of this year as an extension of last year and assumed we'd come into the season in late-season form, as opposed to this season being a journey of learning, finding out your strengths and fixing weaknesses. We (the fans) are not embracing the journey. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 14, 2023 16:37:39 GMT -5
I honestly didn't think the badgers did that well in system last night. We passed well enough for long periods of that match, but the Marquette D was well positioned on the middle attack and got a lot of balls up. It felt like the eagle block was either reading the setters or camping out on Robinson and she had a hard time scoring too. Franklin scored a ton on finesse shots, which tells me that Marquette had set up to stop some real strong tendencies in our attack and placement. Only Smrek hitting over the block seemed to be reliably effective, and CC because we don't set her that much. I think Theis did an excellent job preparing his team for that match, but it really suggests that the badgers have some tendencies that are getting picked up. Our middles didn't have any issue. Crawford, Booth, and Smrek all got kills perfectly fine out of the middle. I do agree Robinson was being camped hard and its clear Marquette was setting up deep on D. I do think Temi and Robinson both could work on finesse shots when a team sets up like Marquette did. As you said, Franklin did very well when she did those short rolls right into center court. At same time, both Hammil and Izzy were safe with their set selection last night. It was pretty predictable where they were going when even slightly out of system. They have both been better this year at forcing the middle and they need to keep doing that, as well as being unafraid to set Smrek when out of system. Booth wasn't eating up the other team like she has been - lately if she receives a set while we're in system it gets to the floor and Marquette dug her a bunch last night. Basically, she was merely good. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 14, 2023 16:57:01 GMT -5
Our middles didn't have any issue. Crawford, Booth, and Smrek all got kills perfectly fine out of the middle. I do agree Robinson was being camped hard and its clear Marquette was setting up deep on D. I do think Temi and Robinson both could work on finesse shots when a team sets up like Marquette did. As you said, Franklin did very well when she did those short rolls right into center court. At same time, both Hammil and Izzy were safe with their set selection last night. It was pretty predictable where they were going when even slightly out of system. They have both been better this year at forcing the middle and they need to keep doing that, as well as being unafraid to set Smrek when out of system. Booth wasn't eating up the other team like she has been - lately if she receives a set while we're in system it gets to the floor and Marquette dug her a bunch last night. Basically, she was merely good. This is what I meant. Not a lot of first ball side outs on good passes. Based on how we passed, I'd expect a much higher hitting percentage, but we had lower efficiency than in matches in which the badgers have passed poorly. Odd match. |
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Post by pull3 on Sept 14, 2023 17:51:23 GMT -5
let's just say that Marquette's floor defense was peculiar.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 14, 2023 18:05:04 GMT -5
Initial take...WI's serve isn't good enough to get FL out of system. We don't have an incredibly strong RS block, nor great floor defense. Temi isn't producing as she needs to and Devyn had her worst match of the season. I do not think WI takes a game and if they do, it will be by the skin of their teeth. I think our block can slow their OHs but that's not enough. That pretty much sums it up nicely. |
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 14, 2023 18:08:31 GMT -5
I have never seen Wisconsin fans so full of dread. This is a preseason match in September. 8-9 weeks from now is when you know what you have as a team going into the play offs. It is a long season to sort things out. Yeah, I don't get it either. As a Wisconsin fan I am so excited for this match. The problem, I think, is that because of the overall roster continuity especially with starters, some fans thought of this year as an extension of last year and assumed we'd come into the season in late-season form, as opposed to this season being a journey of learning, finding out your strengths and fixing weaknesses. We (the fans) are not embracing the journey. Let's not forget Florida came pretty close to a sweep in the Kohl Center. |
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Post by Del Bocavista on Sept 14, 2023 18:18:12 GMT -5
Initial take...WI's serve isn't good enough to get FL out of system. We don't have an incredibly strong RS block, nor great floor defense. Temi isn't producing as she needs to and Devyn had her worst match of the season. I do not think WI takes a game and if they do, it will be by the skin of their teeth. I think our block can slow their OHs but that's not enough. That pretty much sums it up nicely. Good take, but Devyn has usually rebounded from her bad matches with good ones, so that doesn't worry me as much. And while it doesn't really change the overall dynamic a great deal, the Badgers have experimented with Smrek on the left in Ro 4 out of serve receive and left her there if the point continued. I could see a little bit of that, plus her staying left when we serve to try to give a different look here and there. Bottom line is the Badgers have not played a match at a level yet that would beat the typical Florida performance this year. On the other hand, they have shown a tremendous ability to close out sets, even when they hit the 20s behind. I hope it's close. |
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Post by pull3 on Sept 14, 2023 18:20:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get it either. As a Wisconsin fan I am so excited for this match. The problem, I think, is that because of the overall roster continuity especially with starters, some fans thought of this year as an extension of last year and assumed we'd come into the season in late-season form, as opposed to this season being a journey of learning, finding out your strengths and fixing weaknesses. We (the fans) are not embracing the journey. Let's not forget Florida came pretty close to a sweep in the Kohl Center.
From pretty close to being swept to pretty close to a win.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Sept 14, 2023 18:25:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get it either. As a Wisconsin fan I am so excited for this match. The problem, I think, is that because of the overall roster continuity especially with starters, some fans thought of this year as an extension of last year and assumed we'd come into the season in late-season form, as opposed to this season being a journey of learning, finding out your strengths and fixing weaknesses. We (the fans) are not embracing the journey. Let's not forget Florida came pretty close to a sweep in the Kohl Center. And Florida was also down 8-6 in the fifth set in that same game before barely squeaking it out. So you give Florida the credits for taking the 2-0 lead, but excuse them for almost blowing the 2-0 lead lol? Interesting. Edit: if we're talking about "pretty close", we also came pretty close in that same game to taking 3 consecutive sets from them...just like they almost did to us. Sounds like an even match to me. |
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