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Post by guest2 on Sept 21, 2023 13:20:08 GMT -5
Dain has talked about this - beach is an equivalency sport (I think that's the phrasing) so most athletes get fractional scholarships whereas indoor is a head-count sport so it has full scholarships. I doubt it's as simple as the better players get the most money, probably a lot of calculations about who can get academic money (or need-based at schools with more non-athletic resources) and whose family can pay. I find it very interesting that the top few teams can still skim all the recruiting cream given this. Are lower ranked schools not using their scholarships effectively? Is NIL money making up the difference somehow? Seems strange that top recruits would want to compete for low tier positions with less than full scholarships at these few schools rather than going to a lesser school, playing a higher tier and getting more money/ |
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Post by pepperclove on Sept 21, 2023 16:19:42 GMT -5
A lot of the lower ranked schools probably have even fewer than the six maximum scholarships. But I've wondered the same thing, especially with the extreme concentration of talent at USC and UCLA where players who can't crack the lineup could be playing - maybe even at 1s, 2s, or 3s (Sunny Villapando went from the Stanford 1s to the USC 5s when she transferred for her grad year, for example) - even at other Pac-12 schools.
I don't know if it's the draw of winning a national title, the reputation of those schools, great recruiting by them, poor recruiting elsewhere? Probably a combination of all of those, plus every athlete likely thinks they'll be the one who makes it into the lineup.
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Post by Leftrightapproach on Sept 21, 2023 21:09:11 GMT -5
A lot of the lower ranked schools probably have even fewer than the six maximum scholarships. But I've wondered the same thing, especially with the extreme concentration of talent at USC and UCLA where players who can't crack the lineup could be playing - maybe even at 1s, 2s, or 3s (Sunny Villapando went from the Stanford 1s to the USC 5s when she transferred for her grad year, for example) - even at other Pac-12 schools. I don't know if it's the draw of winning a national title, the reputation of those schools, great recruiting by them, poor recruiting elsewhere? Probably a combination of all of those, plus every athlete likely thinks they'll be the one who makes it into the lineup. Imagine the difference in Instagram likes for “I’m committing to USC beach volleyball” vs “I’m committing to Texas A&M Corpus Christi” |
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Post by blackmambabeto on Sept 21, 2023 21:40:56 GMT -5
A lot of the lower ranked schools probably have even fewer than the six maximum scholarships. But I've wondered the same thing, especially with the extreme concentration of talent at USC and UCLA where players who can't crack the lineup could be playing - maybe even at 1s, 2s, or 3s (Sunny Villapando went from the Stanford 1s to the USC 5s when she transferred for her grad year, for example) - even at other Pac-12 schools. I don't know if it's the draw of winning a national title, the reputation of those schools, great recruiting by them, poor recruiting elsewhere? Probably a combination of all of those, plus every athlete likely thinks they'll be the one who makes it into the lineup. Imagine the difference in Instagram likes for “I’m committing to USC beach volleyball” vs “I’m committing to Texas A&M Corpus Christi” The latter sounds a lot better |
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Post by gobruins on Sept 22, 2023 3:49:37 GMT -5
The ability for coaches to be able to obtain admission to schools like Stanford, UCLA, or Cal for recruits, is very valuable, even with little or no scholarship money.
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Post by beachcomber on Sept 22, 2023 13:19:23 GMT -5
Dain has talked about this - beach is an equivalency sport (I think that's the phrasing) so most athletes get fractional scholarships whereas indoor is a head-count sport so it has full scholarships. I doubt it's as simple as the better players get the most money, probably a lot of calculations about who can get academic money (or need-based at schools with more non-athletic resources) and whose family can pay. I find it very interesting that the top few teams can still skim all the recruiting cream given this. Are lower ranked schools not using their scholarships effectively? Is NIL money making up the difference somehow? Seems strange that top recruits would want to compete for low tier positions with less than full scholarships at these few schools rather than going to a lesser school, playing a higher tier and getting more money/ Scholarhips are not an even playing field in beach. Fully funded programs can provide up to six scholarships (divided fractionally), but many fully funded schools still do not offer that many. Partially funded programs can offer up to two scholarships, but many schools in that boat don't actually offer even that many. Every program budgets this differently. If you recall the investigation into Oregan's program, which revealed the Ducks spending $0 on beach scholarships, they also posted some other schools for comparison. UCLA was spending over $325k on beach scholarships. Cal was only spending $60k. It's worth noting that scholarship values vary from school to school based on differences in the cost of attendance, too, but the difference there is obvious. The point is, not every school actually makes the full six scholarship investment like UCLA. The money just isn't there at most other schools - so programs like UCLA can still skim the cream using this advantage. It should also be understood, however, that many athletes just want to go to UCLA or USC or Stanford - and beach helps them get there - even without scholarship funding. Lots of players will take a walk-on spot offered at the desired school because that's simply where they want to go. And there is always the chance that funding could come in later years. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 22, 2023 14:33:22 GMT -5
I find it very interesting that the top few teams can still skim all the recruiting cream given this. It should also be understood, however, that many athletes just want to go to ... USC i was tracking with you until that... some of us were around when it was essentially a Figueroa Tech without the Tech. |
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Post by realm on Sept 22, 2023 17:23:06 GMT -5
I think we're quick to forget the whole Varsity Blues scandal that occurred not so long ago. Dozens of rich kids pretending to be "fake" athletes dropped over $250k to just get in the doors of USC and Stanford. Headlines like this just reconfirm what parents and young students already value most, an education. No offense to LSU or FSU, but a 25% scholarship at USC, UCLA, Stanford is a lot more attractive than a 75% ride at these East Coast schools to many parents and kids who know that a (successful) career in beach volleyball after college is slim to none, whether they're getting play time or not.
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Post by burbank55 on Sept 26, 2023 19:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by uscvel on Sept 27, 2023 12:34:46 GMT -5
Myszkowski and Brennan paired up for a number of CBVA events and did well enough to qualify for Manhattan. They seem to be a natural pair to me (along with Newberry/Whitmarsh). UCLA seems to have tons of high quality littles but are a bit lighter on bigs. I wonder if Boyd switches to at least split blocking (perhaps with Powers)?
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Post by bobinmd on Sept 27, 2023 12:43:06 GMT -5
Myszkowski and Brennan paired up for a number of CBVA events and did well enough to qualify for Manhattan. They seem to be a natural pair to me (along with Newberry/Whitmarsh). UCLA seems to have tons of high quality littles but are a bit lighter on bigs. I wonder if Boyd switches to at least split blocking (perhaps with Powers)? I didn’t know Mysz paired with Brennan. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by blackmambabeto on Oct 13, 2023 14:59:21 GMT -5
Savvage v Sparky about to start the 3rd set here in Laguna
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Post by dunninla3 on Oct 13, 2023 22:43:13 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Coach JJJ has a different philosophy or strategy regarding pairing than Steino. Split up Boyd and Denaberg if Sparks is healthy? several unknowns here. How healthy is Sparks, really? Perhaps start her at 3s early season, then move her to 1s. By the time Nationals rolls around, I could see Denaburg/ Sparks, Boyd/Newberry split blocking, but then what to do with a Whitmarsh? Maybe go Newberry/Whitmarsh at 2s and Boyd/Brennan at 3s. In that case, Whitmarsh (if she continues with the attack philosophy she used in AVP this summer) and Sparks fight it out for Little 1 and Little 2. I think with a healthy Sparks last year UCLA makes more of a challenge for the Title vs. USC. well, scratch all that. Heard today Sparks is not playing UCLA Beach this spring. That is such a shame. I thought with her, UCLA would be favored for the Natty. I watched both her matches in Laguna Beach today and she was easily the equal of Savvy out there. She is 100%. As a fan I'm mourning the loss of what could have been the best UCLA team ever. Will see her tomorrow 730am against the 1 seed, but that match won't last long, given Sparks' playing partner. You can only do so much when the other team won't serve you. |
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Post by dunninla3 on Oct 13, 2023 22:48:38 GMT -5
Savvage v Sparky about to start the 3rd set here in Laguna they should have played together. Both of their Bigs were ineffectual. It would have been fun to watch them show that ball control wins. |
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Post by vballfreak808 on Oct 18, 2023 14:26:37 GMT -5
Pairings for this weekend:
1. Denaburg/Brennan (Gold)
2. Newberry/Whitmarsh (Gold)
3. Moore/Van Winkle (Gold)
4. Boyd/Brower (Silver)
5. Myszkowski/Smith (Silver)
6. Hope/Powers (Silver)
7. Alden/Cooper (Bronze)
8. Ford/Mathews (Bronze)
UCLA already has two automatic bids into the AVCA Pairs Championship
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