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Post by volleyguy on Oct 4, 2023 9:15:54 GMT -5
I could venture to say if McCarthy wouldn’t have started the sham of an impeachment inquiry and not tried to cast blame on the Democrats for the almost government shut down he may have gotten some Democrat support. Why? There is no chance either party would aid the opposing party from self destruction. Just plain bad politics. When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party?
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Post by n00b on Oct 4, 2023 9:24:57 GMT -5
Is the Speaker of the House a member of the legislative branch of government? I once watched an excellent documentary called "The West Wing" where the Speaker had to resign from the House before assuming the role of acting president because an individual can't be a part of two separate branches of government simultaneously. But maybe Speaker isn't the same thing as an actual member of Congress. (Also yes, that was a joke, and I know that theory is based on political fiction. But the idea that an individual can't serve in two branches at the same time makes sense to me from a checks and balances standpoint.)
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 4, 2023 9:29:10 GMT -5
Is the Speaker of the House a member of the legislative branch of government? I once watch an excellent documentary called "The West Wing" where the Speaker had to resign from the House before assuming the role of acting president because an individual can't be a part of two separate branches of government simultaneously. But maybe Speaker isn't the same thing as an actual member of Congress. (Also yes, that was a joke, and I know that theory is based on political fiction. But the idea that an individual can't serve in two branches at the same time makes sense to me from a checks and balances standpoint.) The Vice President is the presiding officer of the Senate and votes when there are ties, so we have to presume it’s entirely possible.
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Post by n00b on Oct 4, 2023 9:29:43 GMT -5
Why? There is no chance either party would aid the opposing party from self destruction. Just plain bad politics. When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party? Probably never. But talk about blowing up the GOP. Imagine if the Democrats had decided to vote en masse to say "Yes! We enthusiastically endorse Kevin McCarthy as Speaker. We think he's great!" The GOP blow up would be hilarious and so much worse.
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Post by jsquare on Oct 4, 2023 9:38:19 GMT -5
Is the Speaker of the House a member of the legislative branch of government? I once watched an excellent documentary called "The West Wing" where the Speaker had to resign from the House before assuming the role of acting president because an individual can't be a part of two separate branches of government simultaneously. But maybe Speaker isn't the same thing as an actual member of Congress.(Also yes, that was a joke, and I know that theory is based on political fiction. But the idea that an individual can't serve in two branches at the same time makes sense to me from a checks and balances standpoint.) That’s is my take on it.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 4, 2023 9:44:53 GMT -5
Why? There is no chance either party would aid the opposing party from self destruction. Just plain bad politics. When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party? The president can't be a member of congress, but the speaker doesn't have to be a member of congress. It would take something being seriously broken in American politics (effectively a single party dictatorship, for example) for the president and speaker to be the same person, but it's technically constitutional.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Oct 4, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -5
This from the person who couldn't even agree with me that we should have someone living be the next Speaker of the House. I imagine this is why people shake their heads in disbelief at you. Hey, you figure out what a "Merle" is yet? You really are so desperate to be noticed. You’re the one who came barking up my tree not the other way round. Moving on.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 4, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5
When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party? The president can't be a member of congress, but the speaker doesn't have to be a member of congress. It would take something being seriously broken in American politics (effectively a single party dictatorship, for example) for the president and speaker to be the same person, but it's technically constitutional. It's clearly uncharted--and undesirable--territory, but I think that statement is correct. The post you replied to, however, was actually a response to blue's post essentially blaming the Democrats for not voting to retain McCarthy as Speaker.
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Post by jsquare on Oct 4, 2023 10:03:49 GMT -5
You really are so desperate to be noticed. You’re the one who came barking up my tree not the other way round. Moving on. You really should, but you won’t.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 4, 2023 10:17:11 GMT -5
Why? There is no chance either party would aid the opposing party from self destruction. Just plain bad politics. When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party? Not sure I am following - unless you are agreeing with me - there is no reason for the Democrats to vote for a Republican speaker.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 4, 2023 10:49:29 GMT -5
When was the last time an opposing party voted in favor of a speaker from the opposing party? Not sure I am following - unless you are agreeing with me - there is no reason for the Democrats to vote for a Republican speaker. I think I was the one who wasn't following you entirely. I thought the comment that Gaetz liked Democrat control was more than a side-comment.
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Post by manyshaped on Oct 4, 2023 11:31:11 GMT -5
"Three potential Speakers of the House stand in front of me, but I only have two photos in my hand. These photos represent the people who are still in the running toward becoming America's Next Speaker of the House. The person whose name I do not call must immediately return to the US Capitol and prostrate themselves in front of Matt Gaetz and beg for forgiveness. The first name that I am going to call is..."
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Post by bobinmd on Oct 4, 2023 11:43:37 GMT -5
Convince me that Gaetz doesn't like Democrat control in Washington. The best solution - elect Trump as Speaker with him dropping out for the R nomination of President. As much as I dislike Trump - I would 100% rather him be Speaker of the House than President. Yes, with his eloquent oratory skills and warm personality.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 4, 2023 12:38:55 GMT -5
This is good from Matt Glassman, one of the foremost experts on House procedure and precedent.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Oct 4, 2023 14:45:43 GMT -5
Convince me that Gaetz doesn't like Democrat control in Washington. The best solution - elect Trump as Speaker with him dropping out for the R nomination of President. As much as I dislike Trump - I would 100% rather him be Speaker of the House than President. Rule 12 states that a “member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed." Thus he would have to step down the day he accepted.
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