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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 4, 2024 10:12:48 GMT -5
Obviously, an unfortunate accident - much like the US drone that killed many civilians in Afghanistan when pulling out. Stuff happens in war. Humas started the war. Humas is unwilling to surrender. Humas is responsible. And the people of Palestine mostly support what Humas is doing. Deflecting the responsibility from Humas is wrong.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 4, 2024 10:17:40 GMT -5
Obviously, an unfortunate accident - much like the US drone that killed many civilians in Afghanistan when pulling out. Stuff happens in war. Humas started the war. Humas is unwilling to surrender. Humas is responsible. And the people of Palestine mostly support what Humas is doing. Deflecting the responsibility from Humas is wrong. Excusing Israel for war crimes is also wrong.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 4, 2024 10:21:41 GMT -5
Obviously, an unfortunate accident - much like the US drone that killed many civilians in Afghanistan when pulling out. Stuff happens in war. Humas started the war. Humas is unwilling to surrender. Humas is responsible. And the people of Palestine mostly support what Humas is doing. Deflecting the responsibility from Humas is wrong. How many "accidents" are allowed before its reasonable to believe that something else is at play? The intentions of certain Israelis with regard to Gaza and the Palestinians have been apparent for some time. There is no logical, moral or equitable basis for the disproportionate response that Israeli has taken in Gaza. Hamas has no tanks, no standing army, no substantial weapons or missiles and it does not pose an existential threat to Israel, now, before or in the future. On the other hand, thousands of Palestinian women and children have already been killed, and countless more face starvation and extinction. Sometimes, I just can't believe that you call yourself a Christian.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 4, 2024 11:10:01 GMT -5
Obviously, an unfortunate accident - much like the US drone that killed many civilians in Afghanistan when pulling out. Stuff happens in war. Humas started the war. Humas is unwilling to surrender. Humas is responsible. And the people of Palestine mostly support what Humas is doing. Deflecting the responsibility from Humas is wrong. How many "accidents" are allowed before its reasonable to believe that something else is at play? The intentions of certain Israelis with regard to Gaza and the Palestinians have been apparent for some time. There is no logical, moral or equitable basis for the disproportionate response that Israeli has taken in Gaza. Hamas has no tanks, no standing army, no substantial weapons or missiles and it does not pose an existential threat to Israel, now, before or in the future. On the other hand, thousands of Palestinian women and children have already been killed, and countless more face starvation and extinction. Sometimes, I just can't believe that you call yourself a Christian. They still hold innocent hostages. They attacked a country by raping thousands of innocent citizens. They killed, tortured innocent civilians including women and children. They have no interest in peace or any sort of solution that doesn't involve the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the region (ironic that those that are the historic victims of genocide and have no interest in any genocide are often accused by those of committing genocide from those that actually advocate genocide). Existential threat - really? Israel is a country surrounded by many countries whose committed goal is to exterminate all Jews and destroy Israel. I support Israel in defending themselves from illegal attacks. I am committed to the phrase 'Never Forget'. I am not willing to go back on this commitment after 6+m Jews were wiped off this earth from the Fascist in the world that seem to be making a comeback. Humas is 'Gaza and Palestinians'. They can stop this at any time by releasing the hostages and unconditional surrender to the war they started. Much of the World (and evidently yourself) should be focusing your outrage at the real evil in this conflict - Humas. I am very much proud of being a Christian. I am very much proud to stand with my Jewish friends and the nation of Israel.
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Post by jsquare on Apr 4, 2024 11:12:17 GMT -5
How many "accidents" are allowed before its reasonable to believe that something else is at play? The intentions of certain Israelis with regard to Gaza and the Palestinians have been apparent for some time. There is no logical, moral or equitable basis for the disproportionate response that Israeli has taken in Gaza. Hamas has no tanks, no standing army, no substantial weapons or missiles and it does not pose an existential threat to Israel, now, before or in the future. On the other hand, thousands of Palestinian women and children have already been killed, and countless more face starvation and extinction. Sometimes, I just can't believe that you call yourself a Christian. They still hold innocent hostages. They attacked a country by raping thousands of innocent citizens. They killed, tortured innocent civilians including women and children. They have no interest in peace or any sort of solution that doesn't involve the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the region (ironic that those that are the historic victims of genocide and have no interest in any genocide are often accused by those of committing genocide from those that actually advocate genocide). Existential threat - really? Israel is a country surrounded by many countries whose committed goal is to exterminate all Jews and destroy Israel. I support Israel in defending themselves from illegal attacks. I am committed to the phrase 'Never Forget'. I am not willing to go back on this commitment after 6+m Jews were wiped off this earth from the Fascist in the world that seem to be making a comeback. Humas is 'Gaza and Palestinians'. They can stop this at any time by releasing the hostages and unconditional surrender to the war they started. Much of the World (and evidently yourself) should be focusing your outrage at the real evil in this conflict - Humas. I am very much proud of being a Christian. I am very much proud to stand with my Jewish friends and the nation of Israel. you support the massacre of innocent women and children. That's not being a Christian.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 4, 2024 11:30:00 GMT -5
How many "accidents" are allowed before its reasonable to believe that something else is at play? The intentions of certain Israelis with regard to Gaza and the Palestinians have been apparent for some time. There is no logical, moral or equitable basis for the disproportionate response that Israeli has taken in Gaza. Hamas has no tanks, no standing army, no substantial weapons or missiles and it does not pose an existential threat to Israel, now, before or in the future. On the other hand, thousands of Palestinian women and children have already been killed, and countless more face starvation and extinction. Sometimes, I just can't believe that you call yourself a Christian. They still hold innocent hostages. They attacked a country by raping thousands of innocent citizens. They killed, tortured innocent civilians including women and children. They have no interest in peace or any sort of solution that doesn't involve the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the region (ironic that those that are the historic victims of genocide and have no interest in any genocide are often accused by those of committing genocide from those that actually advocate genocide). Existential threat - really? Israel is a country surrounded by many countries whose committed goal is to exterminate all Jews and destroy Israel. I support Israel in defending themselves from illegal attacks. I am committed to the phrase 'Never Forget'. I am not willing to go back on this commitment after 6+m Jews were wiped off this earth from the Fascist in the world that seem to be making a comeback. Humas is 'Gaza and Palestinians'. They can stop this at any time by releasing the hostages and unconditional surrender to the war they started. Much of the World (and evidently yourself) should be focusing your outrage at the real evil in this conflict - Humas. I am very much proud of being a Christian. I am very much proud to stand with my Jewish friends and the nation of Israel. What is Humas? You're just prattling on at this point. I don't doubt your pride. You should read up on what the Bible has to say about pride.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 4, 2024 11:53:36 GMT -5
They still hold innocent hostages. They attacked a country by raping thousands of innocent citizens. They killed, tortured innocent civilians including women and children. They have no interest in peace or any sort of solution that doesn't involve the ethnic cleansing of all Jews in the region (ironic that those that are the historic victims of genocide and have no interest in any genocide are often accused by those of committing genocide from those that actually advocate genocide). Existential threat - really? Israel is a country surrounded by many countries whose committed goal is to exterminate all Jews and destroy Israel. I support Israel in defending themselves from illegal attacks. I am committed to the phrase 'Never Forget'. I am not willing to go back on this commitment after 6+m Jews were wiped off this earth from the Fascist in the world that seem to be making a comeback. Humas is 'Gaza and Palestinians'. They can stop this at any time by releasing the hostages and unconditional surrender to the war they started. Much of the World (and evidently yourself) should be focusing your outrage at the real evil in this conflict - Humas. I am very much proud of being a Christian. I am very much proud to stand with my Jewish friends and the nation of Israel. What is Humas? You're just prattling on at this point. I don't doubt your pride. You should read up on what the Bible has to say about pride. My favorite Humas dip is lightly toasted pita bread. Tasty!
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 4, 2024 12:20:53 GMT -5
Obviously, an unfortunate accident What makes you think it was an accident? That was also a war crime.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 4, 2024 15:24:27 GMT -5
That was also a war crime. Next, you will say something silly like Hiroshima was a war crime.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 4, 2024 15:32:07 GMT -5
That was also a war crime. Next, you will say something silly like Hiroshima was a war crime. If it occurred today, Hiroshima would definitely be a war crime.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 6, 2024 11:01:10 GMT -5
That was also a war crime. Next, you will say something silly like Hiroshima was a war crime. Lazy comparison. World War II was a conflict between nation-states. The war in Gaza isn't between nation-states, it's one state doing a genocide on an occupied population. And yes, if Hiroshima happened today, it would be a war crime.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 6, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -5
Next, you will say something silly like Hiroshima was a war crime. Lazy comparison. World War II was a conflict between nation-states. The war in Gaza isn't between nation-states, it's one state doing a genocide on an occupied population. And yes, if Hiroshima happened today, it would be a war crime. Genocide? Palestine is the side that believes in genocide - the extermination of an entire race or group of people. Israel is engaged in a war with a terrorist organization that is unwilling to surrender. Israel would agree to a 2 state solution - Hamas (and by extension - Palestine) has no interest in any solution that doesn't include the genocide of all Jews in the region.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 6, 2024 11:20:20 GMT -5
Lazy comparison. World War II was a conflict between nation-states. The war in Gaza isn't between nation-states, it's one state doing a genocide on an occupied population. And yes, if Hiroshima happened today, it would be a war crime. Genocide? Palestine is the side that believes in genocide - the extermination of an entire race or group of people. Israel is engaged in a war with a terrorist organization that is unwilling to surrender. Israel would agree to a 2 state solution - Hamas (and by extension - Palestine) has no interest in any solution that doesn't include the genocide of all Jews in the region. Support in Israel for a 2 state solution among Jewish citizens (as opposed to non-jewish Israeli citizens) is currently at around 25% according to recent polling. Your views on this issue are not based in fact or reality.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 6, 2024 11:32:02 GMT -5
Genocide? Palestine is the side that believes in genocide - the extermination of an entire race or group of people. Israel is engaged in a war with a terrorist organization that is unwilling to surrender. Israel would agree to a 2 state solution - Hamas (and by extension - Palestine) has no interest in any solution that doesn't include the genocide of all Jews in the region. Support in Israel for a 2 state solution among Jewish citizens (as opposed to non-jewish Israeli citizens) is currently at around 25% according to recent polling. Your views on this issue are not based in fact or reality. currently - in the context of the 10/7 attack. The support would be universal if every neighbor of theirs didn't believe in the genocide of jews.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 6, 2024 11:44:23 GMT -5
Support in Israel for a 2 state solution among Jewish citizens (as opposed to non-jewish Israeli citizens) is currently at around 25% according to recent polling. Your views on this issue are not based in fact or reality. currently - in the context of the 10/7 attack. The support would be universal if every neighbor of theirs didn't believe in the genocide of jews. Israel was created in 1948. The inclusion of Jerusalem is a major sticking point in the discussion of a two state solution, but there has been little progress towards that solution in the 75+ years of Israel's existence. There is very little evidence to suggest that there has ever been universal, or near universal, support for the concept, even in Israel.
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