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Post by clob on Nov 3, 2023 21:27:46 GMT -5
You think maybe there's a reason they aren't in there? Either the coach is incompetent or the outsides threatened to transfer if they don’t play 6 rotations. Which one do you think it is? Your argument is invalid. There are players on the roster that can come in. I really hesitated to reply to this. Which players can come in? And receive better than Wucherer and Taylor? You think the coach is intentionally trying to lose games?
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 21:28:54 GMT -5
Sad that whacked out theories are what gopher fans are having to resort to in order to understand their coach's frightening (and for the most part losing) choices. Maybe your choices would be losing even more. So there’s that. Good one.
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Post by volleysota on Nov 3, 2023 21:34:08 GMT -5
Either the coach is incompetent or the outsides threatened to transfer if they don’t play 6 rotations. Which one do you think it is? Your argument is invalid. There are players on the roster that can come in. I really hesitated to reply to this. Which players can come in? And receive better than Wucherer and Taylor? You think the coach is intentionally trying to lose games? I assume you hesitated to reply because you realized the ridiculousness of your post, which is what I was trying to mimic. We have a libero from Turkey, Zeynep Palabiyik. She can come in. There are other players on the bench that can come in. Here is the Gophers roster, since you seem to believe everyone on the roster sees the court, which is not the case. The point is other players exist, despite your refusal to admit this irrefutable fact. Can they pass better? I'd love to find out, they are not allowed to come into the game. However, as has been mentioned, your argument that there are no other players is invalid and has been debunked. Have a nice day.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 21:37:04 GMT -5
Either the coach is incompetent or the outsides threatened to transfer if they don’t play 6 rotations. Which one do you think it is? Your argument is invalid. There are players on the roster that can come in. I really hesitated to reply to this. Which players can come in? And receive better than Wucherer and Taylor? You think the coach is intentionally trying to lose games? Again. How would anyone know?? Cook doesn't seem to even consider the possibility of trying someone else in their place. Namely, the defensive specialists on the team. Even if they're deemed second string, what coach never considers just giving a flopping player a break? ONCE. Not a good coach, is the answer. I don't think Cooks is intentionally trying to lose games. But just consider that question for a moment. It's not the first time someone has thought to suggest it. How disturbing is that? The choices are so bizarre and have only lead to loss or near-losses that any discerning D1 volleyball watcher is left frustratingly demanding answers to why this coach is perpetuating a scenario that has ONLY resulted in digression. It's November. Shame on Keegan.
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Post by volleysota on Nov 3, 2023 21:37:41 GMT -5
Either the coach is incompetent or the outsides threatened to transfer if they don’t play 6 rotations. Which one do you think it is? Your argument is invalid. There are players on the roster that can come in. I happen to think the bizarre idea that Wucherer and/or Landfair "threatened" to transfer if they weren't allowed to play six rotation to be completely absurd. Why would any reasonable coach go along with that if it resulted in the team absolutely sucking? Like, be my guest McKenna! Go prevent another potentially top-ten team from making the tournament by insisting that you're allowed to remain in serve receive. The alternative would be unquestionably better for the team's results if Wucherer or Landfair chose to transfer based on their apparent demands to be allowed to play six. I'm with you on that. I figured since OP was making absurd arguments like "We don't have a DS!" i would join them in the absurdity.
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Post by GoGophs on Nov 3, 2023 21:37:47 GMT -5
STOP ASKING THIS. The answer is literally anyone. More specifically, the backup libero Palabiak, then the other DS Skylar Gray, then the backup OH Julia Hanson. COOK REFUSES TO TRY. it's not his fault, trust me on this next year should be different from what I've heard …can you elaborate? What have you heard?
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Post by skolgophers on Nov 3, 2023 21:38:48 GMT -5
I really hesitated to reply to this. Which players can come in? And receive better than Wucherer and Taylor? You think the coach is intentionally trying to lose games? I assume you hesitated to reply because you realized the ridiculousness of your post, which is what I was trying to mimic. We have a libero from Turkey, Zeynep Palabiyik. She can come in. There are other players on the bench that can come in. Here is the Gophers roster, since you seem to believe everyone on the roster sees the court, which is not the case. The point is other players exist, despite your refusal to admit this irrefutable fact. Can they pass better? I'd love to find out, they are not allowed to come into the game. However, as has been mentioned, your argument that there are no other players is invalid and has been debunked. Have a nice day. The problem is that when we fall into *that* dreaded rotation, wucherer is in the front row. There needs to be adjustments not related to subbing wucherer out. No, Hanson cannot pass better than wucherer.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 21:44:07 GMT -5
I assume you hesitated to reply because you realized the ridiculousness of your post, which is what I was trying to mimic. We have a libero from Turkey, Zeynep Palabiyik. She can come in. There are other players on the bench that can come in. Here is the Gophers roster, since you seem to believe everyone on the roster sees the court, which is not the case. The point is other players exist, despite your refusal to admit this irrefutable fact. Can they pass better? I'd love to find out, they are not allowed to come into the game. However, as has been mentioned, your argument that there are no other players is invalid and has been debunked. Have a nice day. The problem is that when we fall into *that* dreaded rotation, wucherer is in the front row. There needs to be adjustments not related to subbing wucherer out. No, Hanson cannot pass better than wucherer. Wucherer needs to be subbed out on serve receive. THE most obvious coaching decision in D1 volleyball in 2023. All the rest is a waste of breath before that happens.
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Post by skolgophers on Nov 3, 2023 21:53:44 GMT -5
The problem is that when we fall into *that* dreaded rotation, wucherer is in the front row. There needs to be adjustments not related to subbing wucherer out. No, Hanson cannot pass better than wucherer. Wucherer needs to be subbed out on serve receive. THE most obvious coaching decision in D1 volleyball in 2023. All the rest is a waste of breath before that happens. When she is in the back row, yes. In the front row, I don’t know we have a better option.
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Post by clob on Nov 3, 2023 21:54:48 GMT -5
So, you're saying that Z, Gray, and someone else might be better in the back row?
And because you haven't seen it, it might be worth a try?
And you don't think the coaches have seen it every day in practice?
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 21:54:55 GMT -5
Wucherer needs to be subbed out on serve receive. THE most obvious coaching decision in D1 volleyball in 2023. All the rest is a waste of breath before that happens. When she is in the back row, yes. In the front row, I don’t know we have a better option. Yes, when in the back row. Agreed.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 22:00:00 GMT -5
So, you're saying that Z, Gray, and someone else might be better in the back row? And because you haven't seen it, it might be worth a try? And you don't think the coaches have seen it every day in practice? If you think that what coaches see in practice is the only indication of who should ever play, then why is anyone ever subbed in? Why was Grote subbed out at one point? Was that planned based on what Cook has "seen in practice?" Or maybe it was just because he observed she wasn't producing and he wanted or needed to try something else. Broken record. HE DOESN'T TRY IT WHEN IT'S THE MOST EGREGIOUS POOR PLAY WHICH IS IN THE BACK ROW ON SERVE RECEIVE. Arguments to the contrary seem like nothing more than folks who haven't watched enough of the MN team this year. It's nonsense. Next.
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Post by volleysota on Nov 3, 2023 22:06:10 GMT -5
So, you're saying that Z, Gray, and someone else might be better in the back row? And because you haven't seen it, it might be worth a try? And you don't think the coaches have seen it every day in practice? If you think that what coaches see in practice is the only indication of who should ever play, then why is anyone ever subbed in? Why was Grote subbed out at one point? Was that planned based on what Cook has "seen in practice?" Or maybe it was just because he observed she wasn't producing and he wanted or needed to try something else. Broken record. HE DOESN'T TRY IT WHEN IT'S THE MOST EGREGIOUS POOR PLAY WHICH IS IN THE BACK ROW ON SERVE RECEIVE. Arguments to the contrary seem like nothing more than folks who haven't watched enough of the MN team this year. It's nonsense. Next. And it is odd that when you have things like passers struggling in serve receive, or your setter has issues with placement or connecting with hitters, the solution is to... Sub out the opposite hitter. It's the old "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" plan. Many of us are baffled. I know some other plans have been brainstormed around here, whether they would work is anybody's guess since the outside hitters are immune from being subbed out unlike every other player on the roster. If OP hadn't clung onto a massive L take and effectively discredited themselves going forward, I'd be curious to know their coaching/playing credentials compared to some of the other posters on here that is leading them to bad takes followed by moving the goal posts after being effectively proven wrong. But since their credibility is shot, it matters not.
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Post by JT on Nov 3, 2023 22:07:14 GMT -5
The problem is that when we fall into *that* dreaded rotation, wucherer is in the front row. There needs to be adjustments not related to subbing wucherer out. No, Hanson cannot pass better than wucherer. Wucherer needs to be subbed out on serve receive. THE most obvious coaching decision in D1 volleyball in 2023. All the rest is a waste of breath before that happens. Wookie is in the front row for three rotations of serve receive. The only way for her to be “subbed out on serve receive is for her to not play. Presumably you don’t want that, but instead want someone else to take her place in serve receive while Wookie is in the front row. Since it won’t be Mel, and it won’t be Arica/Phoebe (whichever middle is also in thr front row), it has to be the Opposite position. Two thirds of the time, that would be Julia in the back, but you’d have one rotation where either Julia would play the front, or Lydia would have to handle serve receive. Is that better? I’m not sure. Julia practiced with the “passers” group at Coaches Circle camp, but I don’t know whether she is better than Wookie at passing. Presumably, Keegan and staff *do* know who is the better choice. Wookie playing across the back is a second, separate topic. There are more options for this… dunno which is the best option, though K and staff appear to think that having Wookie stay in except for the half rotation where she is serving is the best, or maybe least bad, choice. (Edit/add) Another option would be to play a 2-person serve receive. We sometimes did that when Paula Gentil was Libero (and we had the three Amigos of Paula, Rhino, and Marci/Malama). I don’t know that we could do it with Kylie and TayLa, which is what we’d have unless we subbed TayLa out in the back row. (Not sure we could do it with Kylie and Z/Sky/Elise either, for that matter.)
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Nov 3, 2023 22:14:50 GMT -5
Wucherer needs to be subbed out on serve receive. THE most obvious coaching decision in D1 volleyball in 2023. All the rest is a waste of breath before that happens. Wookie is in the front row for three rotations of serve receive. The only way for her to be “subbed out on serve receive is for her to not play. Presumably you don’t want that, but instead want someone else to take her place in serve receive while Wookie is in the front row. Since it won’t be Mel, and it won’t be Arica/Phoebe (whichever middle is also in thr front row), it has to be the Opposite position. Two thirds of the time, that would be Julia in the back, but you’d have one rotation where either Julia would play the front, or Lydia would have to handle serve receive. Is that better? I’m not sure. Julia practiced with the “passers” group at Coaches Circle camp, but I don’t know whether she is better than Wookie at passing. Presumably, Keegan and staff *do* know who is the better choice. Wookie playing across the back is a second, separate topic. There are more options for this… dunno which is the best option, though K and staff appear to think that having Wookie stay in except for the half rotation where she is serving is the best, or maybe least bad, choice. (Edit/add) Another option would be to play a 2-person serve receive. We sometimes did that when Paula Gentil was Libero (and we had the three Amigos of Paula, Rhino, and Marci/Malama). I don’t know that we could do it with Kylie and TayLa, which is what we’d have unless we subbed TayLa out in the back row. (Not sure we could do it with Kylie and Z/Sky/Elise either, for that matter.) OMG nobody is arguing for McKenna to not play at all. Just not in the back row since her only reason for being back there is defense and serve receive, which she has proven herself to be awful at.
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