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Post by knapplc on Jan 25, 2024 18:20:13 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 25, 2024 18:25:52 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. This would require a deep dive. Maybe Ill do that this weekend. from what Ive searched in 2023... only two teams in europe's top leagues average more than 4k |
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Post by bzo on Jan 25, 2024 20:04:56 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. For Italy, league matches so far this season: | Home team | Avg. | Median | Max | Min | | Milano | 4725 | 3794 | 12562 | 1940 | | Conegliano | 4368 | 4610 | 5344 | 3033 | | Novara | 3028 | 2700 | 3962 | 2500 | | Busto Arsizio | 2128 | 1882 | 4015 | 1453 | | Scandicci | 2030 | 1585 | 3550 | 1209 | | Roma | 1766 | 1575 | 2500 | 1150 | | Bergamo | 1643 | 1457 | 2814 | 1123 | | Chieri | 1618 | 1356 | 3897 | 1019 | | Cuneo | 1515 | 1520 | 2180 | 885 | | Casalmaggiore | 1276 | 1278 | 1733 | 847 | | Pinerolo | 1251 | 1212 | 1491 | 1050 | | Firenze | 987 | 888 | 2137 | 614 | | Trentino | 976 | 880 | 1525 | 700 | | Vallefoglia | 728 | 674 | 950 | 587 |
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Post by knapplc on Jan 25, 2024 21:20:08 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. For Italy, league matches so far this season: | Home team | Avg. | Median | Max | Min | | Milano | 4725 | 3794 | 12562 | 1940 | | Conegliano | 4368 | 4610 | 5344 | 3033 | | Novara | 3028 | 2700 | 3962 | 2500 | | Busto Arsizio | 2128 | 1882 | 4015 | 1453 | | Scandicci | 2030 | 1585 | 3550 | 1209 | | Roma | 1766 | 1575 | 2500 | 1150 | | Bergamo | 1643 | 1457 | 2814 | 1123 | | Chieri | 1618 | 1356 | 3897 | 1019 | | Cuneo | 1515 | 1520 | 2180 | 885 | | Casalmaggiore | 1276 | 1278 | 1733 | 847 | | Pinerolo | 1251 | 1212 | 1491 | 1050 | | Firenze | 987 | 888 | 2137 | 614 | | Trentino | 976 | 880 | 1525 | 700 | | Vallefoglia | 728 | 674 | 950 | 587 |
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Post by genisvel on Jan 26, 2024 0:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by coisavioleta on Jan 27, 2024 14:40:53 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. For Italy, league matches so far this season: | Home team | Avg. | Median | Max | Min | | Milano | 4725 | 3794 | 12562 | 1940 | | Conegliano | 4368 | 4610 | 5344 | 3033 | | Novara | 3028 | 2700 | 3962 | 2500 | | Busto Arsizio | 2128 | 1882 | 4015 | 1453 | | Scandicci | 2030 | 1585 | 3550 | 1209 | | Roma | 1766 | 1575 | 2500 | 1150 | | Bergamo | 1643 | 1457 | 2814 | 1123 | | Chieri | 1618 | 1356 | 3897 | 1019 | | Cuneo | 1515 | 1520 | 2180 | 885 | | Casalmaggiore | 1276 | 1278 | 1733 | 847 | | Pinerolo | 1251 | 1212 | 1491 | 1050 | | Firenze | 987 | 888 | 2137 | 614 | | Trentino | 976 | 880 | 1525 | 700 | | Vallefoglia | 728 | 674 | 950 | 587 |
Interesting. I wonder what the capacity of the various arenas is. Obviously as big as the max, but some (like Chieri, for example), look really small so I wonder if their max is close to a sellout. The Van Andel had a sellout crowd ~7800 which is substantially more than any of the top Italian teams. Ticket prices also seem comparable: Rise single ticket prices range from $19-$36 with various package discounts available. Milano tickets range from €14 to €34 which is comparable. |
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Post by kwt on Jan 27, 2024 14:54:57 GMT -5
For Italy, league matches so far this season: | Home team | Avg. | Median | Max | Min | | Milano | 4725 | 3794 | 12562 | 1940 | | Conegliano | 4368 | 4610 | 5344 | 3033 | | Novara | 3028 | 2700 | 3962 | 2500 | | Busto Arsizio | 2128 | 1882 | 4015 | 1453 | | Scandicci | 2030 | 1585 | 3550 | 1209 | | Roma | 1766 | 1575 | 2500 | 1150 | | Bergamo | 1643 | 1457 | 2814 | 1123 | | Chieri | 1618 | 1356 | 3897 | 1019 | | Cuneo | 1515 | 1520 | 2180 | 885 | | Casalmaggiore | 1276 | 1278 | 1733 | 847 | | Pinerolo | 1251 | 1212 | 1491 | 1050 | | Firenze | 987 | 888 | 2137 | 614 | | Trentino | 976 | 880 | 1525 | 700 | | Vallefoglia | 728 | 674 | 950 | 587 |
Interesting. I wonder what the capacity of the various arenas is. BERGAMO Pala Facchetti, Treviglio (BG) = 2.800 BUSTO ARSIZIO Pala Piantanida aka E-Work Arena, Busto Arsizio (VA) = 4.500 CASALMAGGIORE Pala Radi, Cremona (CR) = 3.500 CHIERI Pala Fenera, Chieri (TO) = 1.200 or Pala Ruffini, Torino (TO) = 4.300 CUNEO Pala Sport, Cuneo (CN) = 4.700 CONEGLIANO Pala Verde, Villorba (TV) = 5.300 FIRENZE Palazzo Wanny, Firenze (FI) = 3.500 MILANO (*) Pala Lido aka Allianz Cloud, Milano (MI) = 5.300 or Arena di Monza, Monza (MB) = 4.500 NOVARA Pala Terdoppio aka Pala Igor, Novara (NO) 4.000 PINEROLO Pala Bus Company, Villafranca Piemonte (TO) = 1.500 ROMA Pala Tiziano, Roma (RM) = 3.500 SCANDICCI Palazzo Wanny, Firenze (FI) = 3.500 VALLEFOGLIA Pala Fiera aka Pala Megabox, Pesaro (PU) = 2.000 TRENTO Pala Trento, Trento (TN) = 4.000 (*) The 12.500 attendance is the Mediolanum Forum in Assago (Milano) sold out, venue of the last SuperCup. The Forum is the 2nd biggest indoor arena we have here in Italy. |
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Post by coisavioleta on Jan 27, 2024 15:01:33 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder what the capacity of the various arenas is. BERGAMO Pala Facchetti, Treviglio (BG) = 2.800 BUSTO ARSIZIO Pala Piantanida aka E-Work Arena, Busto Arsizio (VA) = 4.500 CASALMAGGIORE Pala Radi, Cremona (CR) = 3.500 CHIERI Pala Fenera, Chieri (TO) = 1.200 or Pala Ruffini, Torino (TO) = 4.300 CUNEO Pala Sport, Cuneo (CN) = 4.700 CONEGLIANO Pala Verde, Villorba (TV) = 5.300 FIRENZE Palazzo Wanny, Firenze (FI) = 3.500 MILANO (*) Pala Lido aka Allianz Cloud, Milano (MI) = 5.300 or Arena di Monza, Monza (MB) = 4.500 NOVARA Pala Terdoppio aka Pala Igor, Novara (NO) 4.000 PINEROLO Pala Bus Company, Villafranca Piemonte (TO) = 1.500 ROMA Pala Tiziano, Roma (RM) = 3.500 SCANDICCI Palazzo Wanny, Firenze (FI) = 3.500 VALLEFOGLIA Pala Fiera aka Pala Megabox, Pesaro (PU) = 2.000 TRENTO Pala Trento, Trento (TN) = 4.000 (*) The 12.500 attendance is the Mediolanum Forum in Assago (Milano) sold out, venue of the last SuperCup. The Forum is the 2nd biggest indoor arena we have here in Italy. Thanks! So it's pretty much what I suspected. The various arenas a substantially smaller than those that any of the PVF teams will be playing in. I wonder what percentage of the Italian teams' revenues comes from ticket sales; with those attendance figures and the ticket prices, it can't be that much, so advertising/TV revenue sharing must account for a substantial portion. |
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Post by widdledumpling on Jan 27, 2024 15:02:07 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder what the capacity of the various arenas is. This reminds me of when I took a friend to Italy. The guide told us “this is one of the largest rooms in Italy!” And my friend side-eyed me HARD. The room was like 1/4 the size of the average Walmart supercenter |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 27, 2024 15:04:07 GMT -5
Thanks! So it's pretty much what I suspected. The various arenas a substantially smaller than those that any of the PVF teams will be playing in. I wonder what percentage of the Italian teams' revenues comes from ticket sales; with those attendance figures and the ticket prices, it can't be that much, so advertising/TV revenue sharing must account for a substantial portion. kwt can correct me, but Im pretty sure a fairly large amount of their funding comes from sponsorships. i think the FIVB/VBW deal helps too. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 27, 2024 15:08:55 GMT -5
Thanks! So it's pretty much what I suspected. The various arenas a substantially smaller than those that any of the PVF teams will be playing in. I wonder what percentage of the Italian teams' revenues comes from ticket sales; with those attendance figures and the ticket prices, it can't be that much, so advertising/TV revenue sharing must account for a substantial portion. kwt can correct me, but Im pretty sure a fairly large amount of their funding comes from sponsorships. i think the FIVB/VBW deal helps too. My understanding is basically all of the funding is from corporate sponsorships and municipal governments. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 27, 2024 15:16:27 GMT -5
Also on Italian attendance, almost all of the major teams are either in suburbs or small cities, so they have an outsized impact on the local community. Like, Conegliano's average attendance is like 10% of the city's population.
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Post by kwt on Jan 27, 2024 15:17:51 GMT -5
Thanks! So it's pretty much what I suspected. The various arenas a substantially smaller than those that any of the PVF teams will be playing in. I wonder what percentage of the Italian teams' revenues comes from ticket sales; with those attendance figures and the ticket prices, it can't be that much, so advertising/TV revenue sharing must account for a substantial portion. kwt can correct me, but Im pretty sure a fairly large amount of their funding comes from sponsorships. i think the FIVB/VBW deal helps too. Yep, sponsorships and TV rights are the main revenues. Tickets aren’t expensive. For instance, you can see a match at the E-Work arena (Busto) spending 8 euros. |
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Post by rainyvolleyball on Jan 28, 2024 6:25:34 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. I'm not sure about the specific numbers in Turkey, but I'm pretty sure that Fenerbahçe leads in attendance, and they'd probably be at maybe 3,000 or so, getting 7,000 for the bigger matches. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 28, 2024 9:51:16 GMT -5
Anyone have an estimate what attendance is like for European leagues? I know that's a broad question, but many of those leagues have been around for a while. Just wondering what we're looking for in terms of attendance for long-term viability here in the States. Here is Turkey (well its not pretty, but you can get the gist lol)  |
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