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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 9, 2023 8:14:57 GMT -5
Ok, watched the replay and it was mostly high level late season volleyball. The crowd was really into it and I'm sure that helped fuel the sweep. IMO Texas did not play badly, they dug balls and were in rallies but K-State was just a little better led by their queens, Izzi S and Carter. Texas scored in the 20s in every set so it wasn't necessarily their typical bad start/reverse sweep scenario that we've seen in the past. What K-State was able to do that other opponents seemingly haven't, is to prevent any long runs by the Horns. A lot of that was the OOS hitting of Carter, good setting choices by Izzi, and very good back court D by Morris. Jason Mansfield has his K-State squad playing at a high level. I met Jason when he was at Stanford, and he's a very good coach, especially wrt attacking and blocking. What picked up from Kansas State in watching them 2X against Kansas and curious if it existed here against Texas or the week before against BYU. Morris was off the charts great. She got just about everything. K-State is tall and a good blocking team, so maybe they are effective in funneling the attacks to Morris? Izzi sets a great ball. Somewhat related - in the match with KU the coaching staff for K-State got a yellow card very early in the 1st match for complaining about Kansas double contacts from their setter. With Izzy - it is in K-State's interest for officials to call a very tight match in terms of doubles. Related, but more than just this - she puts up a very good ball to hit and her connection with Carter in the back row is especially good. Carter played at a very high level against Kansas. Her size will make her prone to being blocked - and Kansas pretty much committed to defending Carter/Clinton at the net - leaving more opportunities for the middles (particularly Bolding who went off in the first match) and Izzy to score. Carter didn't have a great hitting % against Kansas, but she had a Lot of kills and her K% was very high. Plus, her presence opened up the rest of the net for the Wildcats. They are inconsistent on serve receive - and I think this is what will get them in trouble against lessor teams and why the inconsistency this year. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 9, 2023 9:41:06 GMT -5
uhhh nothing? her passing is what made her so beloved on Minnesota and as soon as spring ball it was clear that Wenaas couldn’t pass at that level anymore. she’s passing worse than every single full time receiver on the team. her defense also made her loved, but she can’t even do that because, well, she can’t pass well enough to stay on the court for 6 rotations Wrong answer. Her passing was not spectacular at Minnesota, it was just fine. Certainly not elite. In fact, it was barely ahead of Landfair’s: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/91724/2022-outside-hitter-stats-far she’s passing a 1.95 at Texas and she passed a 2.12 at Minnesota last season… that’s a huge difference |
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Post by slxpress on Nov 9, 2023 9:55:58 GMT -5
Ok, watched the replay and it was mostly high level late season volleyball. The crowd was really into it and I'm sure that helped fuel the sweep. IMO Texas did not play badly, they dug balls and were in rallies but K-State was just a little better led by their queens, Izzi S and Carter. Texas scored in the 20s in every set so it wasn't necessarily their typical bad start/reverse sweep scenario that we've seen in the past. What K-State was able to do that other opponents seemingly haven't, is to prevent any long runs by the Horns. A lot of that was the OOS hitting of Carter, good setting choices by Izzi, and very good back court D by Morris. Jason Mansfield has his K-State squad playing at a high level. I met Jason when he was at Stanford, and he's a very good coach, especially wrt attacking and blocking. What picked up from Kansas State in watching them 2X against Kansas and curious if it existed here against Texas or the week before against BYU. Morris was off the charts great. She got just about everything. K-State is tall and a good blocking team, so maybe they are effective in funneling the attacks to Morris? Izzi sets a great ball. Somewhat related - in the match with KU the coaching staff for K-State got a yellow card very early in the 1st match for complaining about Kansas double contacts from their setter. With Izzy - it is in K-State's interest for officials to call a very tight match in terms of doubles. Related, but more than just this - she puts up a very good ball to hit and her connection with Carter in the back row is especially good. Carter played at a very high level against Kansas. Her size will make her prone to being blocked - and Kansas pretty much committed to defending Carter/Clinton at the net - leaving more opportunities for the middles (particularly Bolding who went off in the first match) and Izzy to score. Carter didn't have a great hitting % against Kansas, but she had a Lot of kills and her K% was very high. Plus, her presence opened up the rest of the net for the Wildcats. They are inconsistent on serve receive - and I think this is what will get them in trouble against lessor teams and why the inconsistency this year. They weren’t particularly good in serve receive against Texas, but the Longhorns couldn’t exploit it. Lots of out of system attacks and freeballs. Texas wasn’t able to terminate with their blocks. They weren’t able to terminate effectively in transition. KState consistently won the longer rallies, of which there were a bunch. They were also more clutch. They were first to 20 in all 3 sets and then in very tight sets they closed the door to 25 each time. People keep talking about UT’s 11 service errors as a factor, but 6 of those were in the first set. The two big factors were KState’s tremendous advantage in hitting percentage and having almost 20 more digs. They simply got the ball to the floor faster regardless of how out of system they were off the Texas serves. |
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Post by jimboslice on Nov 9, 2023 10:17:34 GMT -5
Finally watched and I don’t think Texas needs to hit any panic buttons… Kstate just played an insane game at home. Theyre a good team and they were clicking. Texas defense really isn’t great and they really struggle to get good swings in transition. Sets to the pins OOS are just all over the place and Skinner can clean those up sometimes just with sheer athleticism but other players are gonna struggle in those situations. Wenaas at OH1 is very confusing to me, late in sets when you’re OOS and she’s your only option on the floor (and again you’re not a great OOS setting team) it’s not really a great recipe for success…
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 9, 2023 10:33:07 GMT -5
What picked up from Kansas State in watching them 2X against Kansas and curious if it existed here against Texas or the week before against BYU. Morris was off the charts great. She got just about everything. K-State is tall and a good blocking team, so maybe they are effective in funneling the attacks to Morris? Izzi sets a great ball. Somewhat related - in the match with KU the coaching staff for K-State got a yellow card very early in the 1st match for complaining about Kansas double contacts from their setter. With Izzy - it is in K-State's interest for officials to call a very tight match in terms of doubles. Related, but more than just this - she puts up a very good ball to hit and her connection with Carter in the back row is especially good. Carter played at a very high level against Kansas. Her size will make her prone to being blocked - and Kansas pretty much committed to defending Carter/Clinton at the net - leaving more opportunities for the middles (particularly Bolding who went off in the first match) and Izzy to score. Carter didn't have a great hitting % against Kansas, but she had a Lot of kills and her K% was very high. Plus, her presence opened up the rest of the net for the Wildcats. They are inconsistent on serve receive - and I think this is what will get them in trouble against lessor teams and why the inconsistency this year. They weren’t particularly good in serve receive against Texas, but the Longhorns couldn’t exploit it. Lots of out of system attacks and freeballs. Texas wasn’t able to terminate with their blocks. They weren’t able to terminate effectively in transition. KState consistently won the longer rallies, of which there were a bunch. They were also more clutch. They were first to 20 in all 3 sets and then in very tight sets they closed the door to 25 each time. People keep talking about UT’s 11 service errors as a factor, but 6 of those were in the first set. The two big factors were KState’s tremendous advantage in hitting percentage and having almost 20 more digs. They simply got the ball to the floor faster regardless of how out of system they were off the Texas serves. This is consistent with the Kansas State vs. Kansas matchup. Particularly the 1st match (the 2nd match, K-State looked tired). Kansas was only able to beat Kansas State because they held their own with Kansas State on floor defense and those extended point rallies. Plus - Kansas was able to get enough blocks on Carter. The big difference - Kansas State wasn't able to hold on and close out one of the sets like they did against Texas - otherwise Kansas State beats Kansas in that Friday match. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 9, 2023 10:35:35 GMT -5
I think what we are getting at here - Kansas State is a legitimate good team right now. They are consistently doing enough things at a high level that is making them dangerous to very good teams.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 9, 2023 10:39:00 GMT -5
I think what we are getting at here - Kansas State is a legitimate good team right now. They are consistently doing enough things at a high level that is making them dangerous to very good teams. Yeah, if I'm a subregional host, I would not want to see Kansas State assigned to my subregional. |
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Post by azvb on Nov 9, 2023 10:49:43 GMT -5
Seemed to me that when BYU crushed Texas in the first set, O’Neal got really ticked, focused, and just had the mindset “We will not lose”. I didn’t see her do that last night. She looked kinda, I don’t know, bored?
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 9, 2023 10:52:32 GMT -5
Ok, watched the replay and it was mostly high level late season volleyball. The crowd was really into it and I'm sure that helped fuel the sweep. IMO Texas did not play badly, they dug balls and were in rallies but K-State was just a little better led by their queens, Izzi S and Carter. Texas scored in the 20s in every set so it wasn't necessarily their typical bad start/reverse sweep scenario that we've seen in the past. What K-State was able to do that other opponents seemingly haven't, is to prevent any long runs by the Horns. A lot of that was the OOS hitting of Carter, good setting choices by Izzi, and very good back court D by Morris. Jason Mansfield has his K-State squad playing at a high level. I met Jason when he was at Stanford, and he's a very good coach, especially wrt attacking and blocking. What picked up from Kansas State in watching them 2X against Kansas and curious if it existed here against Texas or the week before against BYU. Morris was off the charts great. She got just about everything. K-State is tall and a good blocking team, so maybe they are effective in funneling the attacks to Morris? Izzi sets a great ball. Somewhat related - in the match with KU the coaching staff for K-State got a yellow card very early in the 1st match for complaining about Kansas double contacts from their setter. With Izzy - it is in K-State's interest for officials to call a very tight match in terms of doubles. Related, but more than just this - she puts up a very good ball to hit and her connection with Carter in the back row is especially good. Carter played at a very high level against Kansas. Her size will make her prone to being blocked - and Kansas pretty much committed to defending Carter/Clinton at the net - leaving more opportunities for the middles (particularly Bolding who went off in the first match) and Izzy to score. Carter didn't have a great hitting % against Kansas, but she had a Lot of kills and her K% was very high. Plus, her presence opened up the rest of the net for the Wildcats. They are inconsistent on serve receive - and I think this is what will get them in trouble against lessor teams and why the inconsistency this year. You contacted yourself when you said "they are tall." It's factually not correct. Their middle is tall. They played 5'7" and 5'10" players on the RS and Carter is not "tall." |
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 9, 2023 10:54:37 GMT -5
Finally watched and I don’t think Texas needs to hit any panic buttons… Kstate just played an insane game at home. Theyre a good team and they were clicking. Texas defense really isn’t great and they really struggle to get good swings in transition. Sets to the pins OOS are just all over the place and Skinner can clean those up sometimes just with sheer athleticism but other players are gonna struggle in those situations. Wenaas at OH1 is very confusing to me, late in sets when you’re OOS and she’s your only option on the floor (and again you’re not a great OOS setting team) it’s not really a great recipe for success… Texas does need to panic if they think they want to get past R16. They cannot pass AT ALL other than at L. They have an ineffective OH2. Like...bad. |
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Nov 9, 2023 10:59:47 GMT -5
Seemed to me that when BYU crushed Texas in the first set, O’Neal got really ticked, focused, and just had the mindset “We will not lose”. I didn’t see her do that last night. She looked kinda, I don’t know, bored? Honestly, everyone was unfocused last night |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 9, 2023 11:22:33 GMT -5
she’s passing a 1.95 at Texas and she passed a 2.12 at Minnesota last season… that’s a huge difference Okay so still not an elite passer. Still not why Minnesota fans were so obsessed with her over Landfair/Wucherer. |
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Post by skolgophers on Nov 9, 2023 11:31:18 GMT -5
Gopher fan here. I can’t speak for all of Gopher fandom, but I sure hated seeing her on the court. Hugh would pull her from time to time, though. So that was always fun. I didn’t recall Minny fans enjoying her either? I’ve only seen some matches of hers, but in every single one she is a liability. Which is quite glaring given the attitude she plays with. Like sweetheart if you’re gonna act like that you better at least be making an AA team… YUP! Was not sad to see her go. Not a smart volleyball player. Always goes for the hammer. Well, everyone got to see how that works out for her on full display last night. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 9, 2023 11:43:07 GMT -5
she’s passing a 1.95 at Texas and she passed a 2.12 at Minnesota last season… that’s a huge difference Okay so still not an elite passer. Still not why Minnesota fans were so obsessed with her over Landfair/Wucherer. i mean she took one for the team and embraced playing opposite even though she clearly prefers being an outside. that takes heart. i can see why minnesota fans would really appreciate her for that. she was also a 6ro rock in serve receive, whether you think 2.12 is good or not. but that's not even close to the same situation at texas. her passing has gone from solid to needing to be hidden. and we also have options behind her that we've been WANTING to play. it's not even fair to wenaas was JE has done. leaving her in there as she struggles, just hoping she'll have some sort of epiphany is almost cruel. at least bench her mid-set and let her SEE the game in front of her while coaching her for the rest of the set if you plan on starting her every set. give her a breather, a reset, something. it worked against TCU. but i dont know how you can expect texas fans to love her as much as minnesota fans when she's mightily struggling with every facet of volleyball right now and is taking ample opportunities away from devin and byrd, whether that latter part is her fault or not. im not trying to argue that it's fair to jenna, but im just saying, im struggling to see how you're confused on why minnesota and texas fans have different views of her. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 9, 2023 11:44:36 GMT -5
she’s passing a 1.95 at Texas and she passed a 2.12 at Minnesota last season… that’s a huge difference Is it possible that she's a base ~2.05 passer, and both numbers (higher for Minnesota and lower for Texas) are within the "margin for error"? I wish the VolleyMetrics passing stats were more accessible so I could do more research on this kind of thing, but it is what it is. |
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