tim01
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Post by tim01 on Nov 26, 2023 2:43:35 GMT -5
There is a reason 1/2 seeds make up the final four year after year. There is a reason that #1 and #2 seeds make the Final Four each year, but it has almost nothing to do with host locations. Do you think of Texas played at Fairleigh Dickinson or Nebraska played at Delaware State last year, the results would have been any different??? Parity simply doesn't exist in VB like it does in men's basketball. It's better than the past, but will near-term chance of any real round 1 upsets. |
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Post by topspin on Nov 30, 2023 20:26:33 GMT -5
If I don’t know who to cheer for, I always choose the team with the least amount of transfers. Sucks for the lower D1 teams to constantly lose their best players. Bringing up this treasure as we enter the tournament! |
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Post by tomclen on Dec 1, 2023 5:58:39 GMT -5
One thing to change: Don't play 24 tournament games in a period of 12 hours on a weekday.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 1, 2023 6:17:39 GMT -5
One thing to change: Don't play 24 tournament games in a period of 12 hours on a weekday. Honestly until we get to a point where the top 16 teams are regularly upset in the opening two rounds I don’t think it matters. The volleyball tournament is simply not as compelling to casual fans as it is to hardcore volleyball fans. To me the whole thing feels likes it’s on railroad tracks, with only the top teams truly having a realistic chance of advancing. But I’m not an advocate of neutral sites either, because I don’t think the sport is big enough yet to support it. I do look forward to the day the first two rounds are available on some kind of linear channel, rather than a premium subscription service line ESPN+. But until then I’m grateful they’re all available at all. |
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Post by savannahbadger on Dec 1, 2023 7:38:01 GMT -5
One thing to change: Don't play 24 tournament games in a period of 12 hours on a weekday. First round needs to be Wed/Thu, second round needs to be Fri/Sat, assuming they’re dead set against playing on Sunday. Also, NO SUBSCRIPTION ONLY ROUNDS! Putting everything on ESPN+ is a sure fire way to make sure fewer people are watching. |
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Post by buckypete on Dec 1, 2023 9:41:58 GMT -5
Volleyball is inherently always going to be less prone to upsets than basketball by the sport's very nature. There's no equalizer like the three point shot. There's no ability to take the air our of the ball and slow the game down. You have to win an absolute minimum of 65 points in the correct three sets in order to win.
It's a miniature best of five series; even if a team (like Wright State yesterday) wins the first set, they are back at zero and have to win two more. It's just a format that is always going to advantage the better team more than a single 40 minute timed game to an undefined number of points.
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Post by eotexas5 on Dec 1, 2023 10:18:05 GMT -5
 #1. Restructure the rounds. #2. Keep the early round games at the home of the highest seeds so you get the best attendance. #3. Dump the Final Four, and replace it with a Final Eight. #4. Play the Final Eight in Vegas. #5 (Optional) De-couple the Final Eight from the AVCA convention. Make the Final 8 a real fan event, not a sidebar to the AVCA convention. I actually like the idea. On top of that, we should play the 5-8 places and then the 3-4 place playing before the final as well. Then you get many matches in with more tickets sold. even now, I think it would be cool for the Olympic sports if there was a third-place match. These venues are just empty until the finals so why not have another match? I think this could work for Volleyball, Basketball, Soccer, etc. |
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Post by Not Me on Dec 2, 2023 23:43:00 GMT -5
What they need is actual parity. Upsets get people interested.
Having all 1-2-3 seats reach the sweet sixteen and the only “upsets” are the 5 beating the 4 is boring.
People want March madness upsets to make things interesting g.
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Post by slxpress on Dec 2, 2023 23:53:29 GMT -5
What they need is actual parity. Upsets get people interested. Having all 1-2-3 seats reach the sweet sixteen and the only “upsets” are the 5 beating the 4 is boring. People want March madness upsets to make things interesting g. Honestly 5 seeds beating 4 seed host schools is at least helpful. I'm excited Penn State advanced over KU, Georgia Tech defeated Florida, and Arizona State advances over BYU. Last year Creighton was the only subregional host to fail to advance, and that was because they lost their starting setter. I'm with you in that I'd like to see the 1 through 3 seeds fall every now and then, but we're just not there. At least UH gave Stanford a scare up the 5th set, when the Cardinal blew them out of the water 15-7. But yeah. The first two rounds are simply not entertaining for casual fans. That's just how it is. I do think these next two rounds will be a lot more compelling, so that's helpful. |
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Post by staticb on Dec 3, 2023 0:10:40 GMT -5
Ironically one way to have more parity would be to reduce the number of scholarships allowed on each team. More talent spread around--but also less opportunity. (But it could also cause more schools to move up if D1 had a cheaper entry of play)
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Post by maigrey on Dec 3, 2023 10:06:16 GMT -5
One thing to change: Don't play 24 tournament games in a period of 12 hours on a weekday. someone else mentioned this, but I think it would be great if we'd played 16 on Thursday, 16 on Friday, then 16 on Saturday for the round of 32. |
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 3, 2023 15:39:35 GMT -5
#1. Restructure the rounds. #2. Keep the early round games at the home of the highest seeds so you get the best attendance. #3. Dump the Final Four, and replace it with a Final Eight. #4. Play the Final Eight in Vegas. #5 (Optional) De-couple the Final Eight from the AVCA convention. Make the Final 8 a real fan event, not a sidebar to the AVCA convention. I knew Vegas would show up, even with a warm weather host this year. Make teams have a volleyball court and not taped lines on basketball court. That makes it seems like an afterthought. Looking at you Stanford and Oregon. |
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 3, 2023 15:41:52 GMT -5
No idea how to do it without (instead) making it worse, but… more predictable play times for matches. Currently, a three-set win may take less than 1-1/2 hrs, while a five-set takes 2-1/2 to 3 hrs (or more). So much of that is dependent on the challenges anymore. It used to be pretty reliable one set would take 30 minutes or so. And let's not forget the intermission was cut down 5 minutes and we are still going 3 hours on a five set. Maybe we play the last set based on time! |
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 3, 2023 15:51:22 GMT -5
1. The teams playing for at large bids generally don't schedule matches against the bottom 100. 2. Why would one-third of DI membership vote themselves out of DI? Plus for most conferences, you can't split and be DI for one sport and D2 for another (FSC subdivision notwithstanding). |
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 3, 2023 15:53:26 GMT -5
Why are people obsessed with making the sport “bigger?” How does that improve the game we watch? What are the benefits of being “bigger?” Changing the tournament format and where they host games will have no impact on the game or the growth. The sport has made strides over the past few years. The growth is there. Moving to a different season is stupid and would destroy the growth that has been achieved. Of all the bad ideas I've seen on this thread, we should have a poll on which is the worst. Gambling? DI to DII Spring Challenges No Rotations outfits of coaches How the court looks etc |
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