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Post by vbkahuna on Nov 21, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
No, let's go totally nuclear and eliminate the utterly stupid requirement for "rotations". Play your 6 best players in their best positions 100% of the time. Volleyball is the only sport that is dumb enough to require each player to move to different positions throughout the match. This would be like baseball requiring your best pitcher to move each inning to 1st base...center field...catcher...etc. Why? To show how versatile they are? Ridiculous.
The game would be faster, better quality, and way more exciting. Don't just tweak a lousy current model. Blow it up and really make it exciting with the best players in their best positions.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 21, 2023 13:52:23 GMT -5
I think Volleyball has a pace of play problem, especially near the end of sets when multiple time outs and challenges occur. It dramatically reduces the game flow and building tension and worsens the product for home and television viewers. I suggest time outs could be shortened and challenges could be timeboxed for the officials - if they can't see an obvious issue quickly then the call stands. Adding in technology like automated line calls like tennis uses to reduce those challenges would help too. I'm sure there are better ideas too. We've seen when baseball took their pace of place issue seriously what a significant effect it had on viewership and fan enjoyment in just in the first year. I disagree with time limiting challenges. I would rather spend an extra minute and know we are getting the correct call. I think limiting the number of challenges effectively limits the disruptions. How about instead make sure the announcers have a clue and are engaging during the review? So many of them are clueless. That being said, I don't see a pace of play problem with volleyball... it's similar to the end of a basketball or football game. Pace of play at the end of basketball games where one team is trailing relatively close is horrendous. That said, I don't recall ever thinking that volleyball had a real pace of play issue. And most of this can be solved by just having better technology to speed up challenges and improve their accuracy. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2023 13:52:33 GMT -5
I think Volleyball has a pace of play problem, especially near the end of sets when multiple time outs and challenges occur. It dramatically reduces the game flow and building tension and worsens the product for home and television viewers. I suggest time outs could be shortened and challenges could be timeboxed for the officials - if they can't see an obvious issue quickly then the call stands. Adding in technology like automated line calls like tennis uses to reduce those challenges would help too. I'm sure there are better ideas too. We've seen when baseball took their pace of place issue seriously what a significant effect it had on viewership and fan enjoyment in just in the first year. I agree about time limits on challenges as well. That and better cameras for challenges so we can see what the ref is seeing. But, mostly time limit. |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 21, 2023 13:54:01 GMT -5
Also, let's get Hawkeye live so we don't have to spend time on in-out challenges. 😁
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Post by vbkahuna on Nov 21, 2023 14:05:08 GMT -5
Also, let's get Hawkeye live so we don't have to spend time on in-out challenges. 😁 Amen. Hawkeye has completely changed the major tennis tournaments and could do the same for volleyball. Instant audible tone...no challenges for in-out...play keeps moving without delays. And the high-speed, high-resolution cameras on touches are already used in major international VB tournaments, with great results. I would also get rid of "net violations" except for egregious ones that actually affect play. It's ridiculous nit-picking with almost no effect on the flow of play. |
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Post by JT on Nov 21, 2023 14:07:30 GMT -5
No idea how to do it without (instead) making it worse, but… more predictable play times for matches.
Currently, a three-set win may take less than 1-1/2 hrs, while a five-set takes 2-1/2 to 3 hrs (or more).
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Post by agean09 on Nov 21, 2023 14:14:23 GMT -5
No, let's go totally nuclear and eliminate the utterly stupid requirement for "rotations". Play your 6 best players in their best positions 100% of the time. Volleyball is the only sport that is dumb enough to require each player to move to different positions throughout the match. This would be like baseball requiring your best pitcher to move each inning to 1st base...center field...catcher...etc. Why? To show how versatile they are? Ridiculous. The game would be faster, better quality, and way more exciting. Don't just tweak a lousy current model. Blow it up and really make it exciting with the best players in their best positions. Actually, I've wondered about this too. That would be so fun! One of the new leagues should try it. Seems like AU could do something experimental like that. You should start a thread with this hypothetical system. People could respond with how they would structure their teams. For example... would you have a setter who is only ever in the back row? An all-time middle sounds exhausting. But I guess you could sub in and out whenever under that kind of system. This would be super interesting to explore. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 21, 2023 14:25:13 GMT -5
n00bTo your point, I just quickly threw together some 1st-round matches with regionalization taking into account. Basically, the '2-seeds' in subregional would be hosts, and I used the current 3-seed pairings (trying to keep them semi-close to a true-ish S-Curve): All of these matches should be within 400 miles 1st round-matches Pepperdine at USC Northern Iowa at Iowa State Texas State at SMU Georgia at Georgia Tech Minnesota at Marquette TCU at Texas A&M Duke at James Madison Western Michigan at Dayton South Alabama at Auburn
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Post by trojansc on Nov 21, 2023 14:27:07 GMT -5
No, let's go totally nuclear and eliminate the utterly stupid requirement for "rotations". Play your 6 best players in their best positions 100% of the time. Volleyball is the only sport that is dumb enough to require each player to move to different positions throughout the match. This would be like baseball requiring your best pitcher to move each inning to 1st base...center field...catcher...etc. Why? To show how versatile they are? Ridiculous. The game would be faster, better quality, and way more exciting. Don't just tweak a lousy current model. Blow it up and really make it exciting with the best players in their best positions. Have you ever played iron-man middle? It's A LOT. But my knees aren't what they used to be. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 21, 2023 14:27:29 GMT -5
Also, let's get Hawkeye live so we don't have to spend time on in-out challenges. 😁 hawkeye is way too expensive for any ncaa program besides maybe nebraska. they just need the conferences to invest in better cameras (and camera locations) |
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Post by tomclen on Nov 21, 2023 14:27:30 GMT -5
No, let's go totally nuclear and eliminate the utterly stupid requirement for "rotations". Play your 6 best players in their best positions 100% of the time. Volleyball is the only sport that is dumb enough to require each player to move to different positions throughout the match. This would be like baseball requiring your best pitcher to move each inning to 1st base...center field...catcher...etc. Why? To show how versatile they are? Ridiculous. The game would be faster, better quality, and way more exciting. Don't just tweak a lousy current model. Blow it up and really make it exciting with the best players in their best positions. Interesting idea. It does seem like very few announcers I see/hear in broadcasts pay much attention to rotations. Plus, when you're at a match you can (if you choose) pay attention to rotations, who is in the front row, etc. But when you're watching on television it's sometimes impossible to really see who is subbing in and out or rotating. And the announcers don't help. But your baseball analogy is a little off since it only applies to defense in baseball. Baseball still has to stick to a batting rotation, unless you want to make a substitution. But still, interesting concept. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 21, 2023 14:32:59 GMT -5
n00bTo your point, I just quickly threw together some 1st-round matches with regionalization taking into account. Basically, the '2-seeds' in subregional would be hosts, and I used the current 3-seed pairings (trying to keep them semi-close to a true-ish S-Curve): All of these matches should be within 400 miles 1st round-matches Pepperdine at USC Northern Iowa at Iowa State Texas State at SMU Georgia at Georgia Tech Minnesota at Marquette TCU at Texas A&M Duke at James Madison Western Michigan at Dayton South Alabama at Auburn If I was volleyball czar, I think I'd do this but with seeding 1-64 and allowing teams to be moved up or down one seed line to accommodate geography. None of the matchups you posted seem to be too far out of line with that, but you'd definitely want to avoid something like the #33 ranked team playing at a #1 seed in the opening round. Or #1 Stanford drawing #49 RPI Pepperdine to start the tournament. A #1 seed would HAVE to start with a team that would be a 15 or 16. a #5 seed would get matched up with an 11, 12, or 13. Etc. |
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Post by mplssetter on Nov 21, 2023 14:36:17 GMT -5
Announcers that are very knowledgeable. I'd love to hear former college coaches.
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Post by mplssetter on Nov 21, 2023 14:44:10 GMT -5
No, let's go totally nuclear and eliminate the utterly stupid requirement for "rotations". Play your 6 best players in their best positions 100% of the time. Volleyball is the only sport that is dumb enough to require each player to move to different positions throughout the match. This would be like baseball requiring your best pitcher to move each inning to 1st base...center field...catcher...etc. Why? To show how versatile they are? Ridiculous. The game would be faster, better quality, and way more exciting. Don't just tweak a lousy current model. Blow it up and really make it exciting with the best players in their best positions. Actually, I've wondered about this too. That would be so fun! One of the new leagues should try it. Seems like AU could do something experimental like that. You should start a thread with this hypothetical system. People could respond with how they would structure their teams. For example... would you have a setter who is only ever in the back row? An all-time middle sounds exhausting. But I guess you could sub in and out whenever under that kind of system. This would be super interesting to explore. So would all six still serve? The 3 front row players would serve and run up to the net like in beach? I have to admit, I don't mind the idea as an experiment. I think it would make rosters a lot smaller because you're not going to be subbing much. It would certainly make coaching youth volleyball a lot easier, lol. Let's go one step further, no back row/front row rules. Anybody can go anywhere. Quadruple blocks! |
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Post by staticb on Nov 21, 2023 14:51:44 GMT -5
I'd change the formula for Title IX. Either make football not count or make it count for 1/2 or 1/3 or something like that. (And schools not allowed to cut women's sports in response to the formulas changing)
In too many parts of the country, volleyball is considered a women's sport. There's hardly any boys' clubs nor is it even sponsored in a lot of state high schools!!!!
Getting a new gender to play (and increasing subsequent interest in a whole group of players and their parents) is the single biggest thing we can do to grow the sport in the US imho.
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