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Post by pull3 on Nov 21, 2023 14:51:44 GMT -5
make better replay system.
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Post by staticb on Nov 21, 2023 15:07:15 GMT -5
Actually, I've wondered about this too. That would be so fun! One of the new leagues should try it. Seems like AU could do something experimental like that. You should start a thread with this hypothetical system. People could respond with how they would structure their teams. For example... would you have a setter who is only ever in the back row? An all-time middle sounds exhausting. But I guess you could sub in and out whenever under that kind of system. This would be super interesting to explore. So would all six still serve? The 3 front row players would serve and run up to the net like in beach? I have to admit, I don't mind the idea as an experiment. I think it would make rosters a lot smaller because you're not going to be subbing much. It would certainly make coaching youth volleyball a lot easier, lol. Let's go one step further, no back row/front row rules. Anybody can go anywhere. Quadruple blocks! Check out Chinese 9-Man Volleyball. No rotations, can stay in your positions, only take turns serving and Quadruple blocks. |
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Post by staticb on Nov 21, 2023 15:08:27 GMT -5
Idea #2: Different levels of play should have different net heights. We have different heights for men and women but at the highest levels (both genders) the net is probably still too low and at the lowest levels for a lot of people it's still too high.
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Post by Del Bocavista on Nov 21, 2023 15:16:33 GMT -5
Five timeouts per match, no more than 2 per set. Sure, if you like timeouts, have an additional one if you go five.
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Post by Steve vb on Nov 21, 2023 15:31:08 GMT -5
Also, let's get Hawkeye live so we don't have to spend time on in-out challenges. 😁 Amen. Hawkeye has completely changed the major tennis tournaments and could do the same for volleyball. Instant audible tone...no challenges for in-out...play keeps moving without delays. And the high-speed, high-resolution cameras on touches are already used in major international VB tournaments, with great results. I would also get rid of "net violations" except for egregious ones that actually affect play. It's ridiculous nit-picking with almost no effect on the flow of play. I have long thought that net violations should occur only when the top of the net is touched. Calling net violations when a player turns around and their hip or elbow grazes the bottom of the net has never made much sense to me. |
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Nov 21, 2023 15:31:29 GMT -5
Actually, I've wondered about this too. That would be so fun! One of the new leagues should try it. Seems like AU could do something experimental like that. You should start a thread with this hypothetical system. People could respond with how they would structure their teams. For example... would you have a setter who is only ever in the back row? An all-time middle sounds exhausting. But I guess you could sub in and out whenever under that kind of system. This would be super interesting to explore. So would all six still serve? Imagine Micha Hancock serving. Every. Single. Serve. |
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Post by JT on Nov 21, 2023 15:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by Steve vb on Nov 21, 2023 15:36:34 GMT -5
So would all six still serve? Imagine Micha Hancock serving. Every. Single. Serve. Maybe that would be like watching the Yankees pitcher, Gerrit Cole, throwing every single pitch in a game.  |
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Post by austintatious on Nov 21, 2023 15:51:00 GMT -5
Regarding CRS issues. Systems currently run the gamut from very good to very poor. Some use big monitors others IPAD. We are told cost, cost costs factor.
Use NIL contacts to pay for the technology.
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Post by Winbabywin on Nov 21, 2023 15:55:50 GMT -5
I would also get rid of "net violations" except for egregious ones that actually affect play. It's ridiculous nit-picking with almost no effect on the flow of play. I have long thought that net violations should occur only when the top of the net is touched. Calling net violations when a player turns around and their hip or elbow grazes the bottom of the net has never made much sense to me. These net violations you reference, are not violations. Once the hitter/blocker lands, touching the net is allowable, if it is not in the act of playing the ball. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 21, 2023 16:07:18 GMT -5
Amen. Hawkeye has completely changed the major tennis tournaments and could do the same for volleyball. Instant audible tone...no challenges for in-out...play keeps moving without delays. And the high-speed, high-resolution cameras on touches are already used in major international VB tournaments, with great results. I would also get rid of "net violations" except for egregious ones that actually affect play. It's ridiculous nit-picking with almost no effect on the flow of play. I have long thought that net violations should occur only when the top of the net is touched. Calling net violations when a player turns around and their hip or elbow grazes the bottom of the net has never made much sense to me. USAV (and maybe FIVB?) did this for a few years. It was a mess because a blocker's elbow would get caught in the middle of the net, pulling the whole thing down and nothing would get called. Or a swing blocker would smash the bottom of the tape as she jumped and it wasn't a fault. I don't think there's any real way, especially with replay, to allow "small" net violations by rule. |
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Post by dokterrudi on Nov 21, 2023 16:12:18 GMT -5
Lower nets with padded gloves…
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Post by money on Nov 21, 2023 16:26:28 GMT -5
I think Volleyball has a pace of play problem, especially near the end of sets when multiple time outs and challenges occur. It dramatically reduces the game flow and building tension and worsens the product for home and television viewers. I suggest time outs could be shortened and challenges could be timeboxed for the officials - if they can't see an obvious issue quickly then the call stands. Adding in technology like automated line calls like tennis uses to reduce those challenges would help too. I'm sure there are better ideas too. We've seen when baseball took their pace of place issue seriously what a significant effect it had on viewership and fan enjoyment in just in the first year. Change to 1 timeout per set and 1 additional challenge/timeout. 2nd timeout can be used en lieu of having available challenge. Challenges do not roll over to sets, so you always have 1 to start the set. Any challenge before 15 negates media timeout. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Nov 21, 2023 16:37:54 GMT -5
Get challenges right. Obviously, you have to question cost vs benefit, but since the sport will grow more and more as the pace becomes better (especially early in sets), there will be some payoff.
A mercy rule in sets 1-3 might also be considered - if a team is up by 15 end the set early (it would also add some weird drama to blowouts). I don't think you do it for set 4 though and obviously it's not applicable in set 5. The only problem is that volleyball already has an issue with the inconsistency in length of matches from a TV standpoint (it's hard for the networks to schedule around volleyball games because they can go 75 minutes or 200 minutes) and of course a mercy rule would make it worse. You could easily see 1 seeds ending their first NCAA tournament games in an hour.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 21, 2023 16:53:40 GMT -5
I'm far less concerned now about women's basketball as a direct competitor for resources as I was, say, 10 years ago. I think there is a big enough pie for everyone and the massive crowds the last couple years in WVB have been serious eye opener to a lot of people heavily invested in WBB.
I've been to many volleyball final fours, but but only went to my first women's basketball final four this past spring. I expected a similar vibe with a little more publicity and hoopla around the event. This was true- the NCAA ran a fanfest for three days adjacent to the arena, but game presentation was pretty similar. What I wasn't prepared for was the number of people there who were just straight up fans of one of the four teams. The volleyball final four always seems very local-heavy with a lot of families bringing their kids, especially young volleyball playing kids. The WBB final four last year had comparatively way fewer children than any WVB final four I attended. It might have been the teams involved, but people *traveled* for this thing. It created an entirely different playing environment.
I'd be interested to know how we get to that. Because that was cool as hell.
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