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Post by Fight On! on Nov 27, 2023 0:44:49 GMT -5
Lots and lots of red. Losses in the 100s and 200. Uff da! |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2023 0:48:49 GMT -5
Why is Tamas mad, Illinois was nowhere near being in the mix. Better yet, who is Chris Tamas? |
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Post by jwvolley on Nov 27, 2023 0:50:50 GMT -5
Why is Tamas mad, Illinois was nowhere near being in the mix. Better yet, who is Chris Tamas? You've never appreciated Tyler and his Meyer offense more than when compared to Tamas and his twitter rants loll |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 27, 2023 0:56:46 GMT -5
no there shouldn’t have. The middle and bottom of the big ten was abysmal this year I don't think the B1G deserved more than 5. And even if they had been in consideration, Illinois and Indiana both didn't finish well enough to be considered. But the B1G overall is a lot better than their RPI. The league in general scheduled really badly in terms of boosting their RPI, and if the committee is going to adhere to that f*!#ing terrible metric as slavishly as they did, you have to schedule to boost your RPI. Which, the fact that it is even possible to do so tells you how bad RPI is. The B1G could have scheduled better, but, when you look at the next 5 teams, none of them won any games that were good (except Indiana beat Miami-FL, one of the bubble teams) but there were a lot of rough losses from the mid-teams in the B1G non-conference. I thought Indiana was the best 'next' team in the B1G though. Massey would have Indiana in, but nobody else. That makes sense to me. And looking at Indiana - what cost their season was the 3 losses to UCLA/Long Beach State/Washington. If they won those matches, they would likely be in the tournament. But to your point - UCLA/Washington are probably questionable schedules. I don't really like mid-P5's playing each other (from RPI standpoint if I'm one of those P5 teams). They're better off going mid-major hunting, if those teams are willing. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2023 1:00:01 GMT -5
Better yet, who is Chris Tamas? You've never appreciated Tyler and his Meyer offense more than when compared to Tamas and his twitter rants loll Baby Jesus don’t need Twitter. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 27, 2023 1:20:48 GMT -5
Look at his tweet immediately preceding that one. I don't see anything other than him saying good things about his team. Go touch grass. Correct. It seems like he was responding to Dave Shondell's tweet that the Big Ten needs to do a better job of gaming RPI by saying that the committee shouldn't be using the RPI in the first place and should use something like the NET in basketball...uh, I agree with him. RPI is a terrible metric. And the other tweet just said that he understands that they likely weren't making the tournament, but he's proud of his team. That is as tame as it gets. All that being said, until the NCAA actually does put RPI down for good, it is the job of the coaches to try to game it. |
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 27, 2023 1:42:22 GMT -5
After sitting on this bracket for a few hours in a row, I’m ready to make my bold prediction. Kentucky makes it to the final four.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 27, 2023 1:50:50 GMT -5
I knew it was bad, but I didn’t realize it was this bad. Minnesota fools you by playing well for like 16 minutes at a time. And then you see these results and you’re like wait a minute… |
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Post by rainyvolleyball on Nov 27, 2023 2:27:47 GMT -5
I've only read the past couple of pages ... people are actually saying that Kansas State should have gotten in over Minnesota? K-State had eight losses to teams ranked 26 or lower while Minnesota had two. In what world does K-State deserve the nod over Minnesota? You can't lose to so many not-as-good teams and feel you deserve to be in. Conversely, Minnesota's losses were almost all to really good teams (i.e. top-25 teams). I mean, there's a reason Minnesota's RPI is a *lot* better than Kansas State's.
Minnesota's profile is not bad. Not when you're simply considering if they should get into the field.
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Post by rainbowcard on Nov 27, 2023 3:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 27, 2023 3:33:25 GMT -5
Kansas state getting left out is legit insane. 3 sweeps over 3 seeded teams and losses to teams with RPIs of 148 and 156 (and 75, 71, 61), giving KState an RPI of 58. while SFA's worst loss was to RPI 76, with their other losses to RPI 32 or better teams, giving SFA an RPI of 36 Not really all that surprising that they got in. They lost 1 match outside the Top 50. Texas A&M was legit. another team that only lost 1 match outside the Top 50: SFA |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 27, 2023 4:26:39 GMT -5
comparing tournament selection and RPI:
top 43 RPI all made it in
44 NC State and 46 St Johns were passed over; while 45 Miami (FL) and 47 Georgia were included
and according the the figstats table, both St Johns and Georgia have 0.5929 for their RpiPct (though perhaps St Johns has the edge beyond 4 decimal places, I dunno)
So pretty darn close to a straight RPI cutoff
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 27, 2023 4:40:55 GMT -5
and comparing the regional seeding to the RPI:
Wisconsin was given a 1 instead of a 2
Louisville was given a 2 instead of a 1
Florida was given a 4 instead of a 5
Penn State and Arizona State were given 5 instead of 6
Western Kentucky was given a 6 instead of a 4
Utah State was given a 6 instead of a 5
Marquette and Florida State were given 6 instead of 7
James Madison and SMU were given 7 instead of 6
Auburn was given a 7 instead of an 8
UNI was given an 8 instead of a 7
USC and Missouri were given 8 instead of being unseeded
Baylor and South Alabama were unseeded instead of 8
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Post by pull3 on Nov 27, 2023 4:45:04 GMT -5
and comparing the regional seeding to the RPI: Wisconsin was given a 1 instead of a 2 Louisville was given a 2 instead of a 1 Florida was given a 4 instead of a 5 Penn State and Arizona State were given 5 instead of 6 Western Kentucky was given a 6 instead of a 4 Utah State was given a 6 instead of a 5 Marquette and Florida State were given 6 instead of 7 James Madison and SMU were given 7 instead of 6 Auburn was given a 7 instead of an 8 UNI was given an 8 instead of a 7 USC and Missouri were given 8 instead of being unseeded Baylor and South Alabama were unseeded instead of 8
close enough
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Post by dl3ww on Nov 27, 2023 4:49:19 GMT -5
After sitting on this bracket for a few hours in a row, I’m ready to make my bold prediction. Kentucky makes it to the final four. When I finally watched the selection show hours later that was my first thought! I feel like ASU can get there as well ngl. |
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? Jfc if they didn’t beat Oregon then…
