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Post by vball778 on Nov 17, 2024 20:57:26 GMT -5
players with concussions generally don't travel. They haven't said that was her injury, but unless they're super close to coming back, they won't travel so they can recover. Dean/Bingham haven’t been suited up since August. It’s November. I don't think its concussions. I seem to remember Bingham havjng something on her back. Maybe time for some medical retirements and free up scholies to use on the portal. There has to be some decent bodies out there. Everyone else uses the portal to restock, why not us? We got lucky with CMM & Averie. We can do it again. The injuries through the years even have been so excessive, Holzman, Vrankovic, Whittington, and it feels like so many more since then. What is going on with the training in this program? The bad luck excuse only has so many uses… |
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Post by ilalum92 on Nov 17, 2024 21:33:06 GMT -5
Dean/Bingham haven’t been suited up since August. It’s November. I don't think its concussions. I seem to remember Bingham havjng something on her back. Maybe time for some medical retirements and free up scholies to use on the portal. There has to be some decent bodies out there. Everyone else uses the portal to restock, why not us? We got lucky with CMM & Averie. We can do it again. The injuries through the years even have been so excessive, Holzman, Vrankovic, Whittington, and it feels like so many more since then. What is going on with the training in this program? The bad luck excuse only has so many uses… . Collins was injured, Hinton. Brooke is playing less than 100%. Something is going on. |
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Post by Chewblocka on Nov 17, 2024 21:59:59 GMT -5
Sorry I just need to vent. Why is every backup hitter so injured that they cannot even travel?! What is going on with our program that we not only cannot pass and are known for our comical serve receive, but in a year where we were supposed to have “depth like we haven’t seen in years”,… every single hitter outside of our starting roster is out and doesn’t even travel. I’ve been watching college volleyball for decades… I’ve never seen something like this. What. Is. Going. On. With. This. Program?? Given Tamas has not subbed any starters this season in 96 sets I don't think an injured player or two is the issue here. Irregardless of play (good or bad) those starters are not coming out of rotation unless hurt. It’s been a frustration for me all year. Now TdB is injured Not sure what is going on with her but even if healthy she has not been given any opportunity to play in a meaningful way. I have been down the bench development pathway too many times. Raina is gone in a few short games and if players come into illinois healthy then look no further than our program as a reason. Too many injuries to too many players- all a funny coincidence? I doubt it. Moser was pushed to the brink this season overdoing it and look at her now. |
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Post by Chewblocka on Nov 17, 2024 22:08:23 GMT -5
players with concussions generally don't travel. They haven't said that was her injury, but unless they're super close to coming back, they won't travel so they can recover. Dean/Bingham haven’t been suited up since August. It’s November. I don't think it’s concussions. I seem to remember Bingham havjng something on her back. Maybe time for some medical retirements and free up scholies to use on the portal. There has to be some decent bodies out there. Everyone else uses the portal to restock, why not us? We got lucky with CMM & Averie. We can do it again. Don’t you find in interesting that players who were not in our program prior to last year are healthy and aside from Raina the rest were injured including career ending injury for Caroline? I remember even Raina was injured last year. That makes every player from illinois susceptible? Yes, we can use the portal to get healthy players ..but doesn't that sound a just a little irrational? ::) |
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Post by pointillinois on Nov 17, 2024 22:35:00 GMT -5
My non-conspiratorial take: the pre-Krista Tamas coaching staffs were poor recruiters. Therefore, they had to take chances on players with some injury history and hope they stayed healthy. Most haven't.
This doesn't apply to Barnes-like situations. Concussions are a whole different story. I have a ton of respect for Caroline and her decision.
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Post by illinivbfan1992 on Nov 18, 2024 0:07:06 GMT -5
My non-conspiratorial take: the pre-Krista Tamas coaching staffs were poor recruiters. Therefore, they had to take chances on players with some injury history and hope they stayed healthy. Most haven't. This doesn't apply to Barnes-like situations. Concussions are a whole different story. I have a ton of respect for Caroline and her decision. There may be something to that re: taking players with a history of injuries. We may not have had as much choice as we'd like. But I wonder if, in part, it's also related to the longstanding volleyball practice of early commitments. When players pick their colleges with two or more years left in high school, that leaves a lot of time for developing young girls to play a sport that's hard on the whole body, especially knees and shoulders. Between high school and club, a lot of them never get healthy.
Talented players too, of course. As I recall, Beth Prince was rated the top high school player in the country as a freshman and sophomore, then had knee injuries her next two years, perhaps feeding into some of her recurring issues in college. While she had a solid career here and made many contributions, she never became the consistent impact player she might have been. If her health allowed, we might have a national championship. More broadly, I wonder how much worse our year-in, year-out injury situation is compared to other programs -- and how much worse it just seems to us because this is the only team we follow closely. It's a particularly bad season in that respect, to be sure. I just don't know how much there's a long-term problem that relates to something we're doing wrong, as opposed to bad luck. This is not to dismiss the idea there might be. But it can be awfully tempting for frustrated fans like us -- who care about a team so much -- to look for answers when there may be none. Sometimes, you just feel snake bit. To some of us long-timers, it's a familiar feeling. During Don Hardin's tenure, there were years when he lost four or five players. One season, a starting OH went down, then the next girl up went down, then the one after her did too. Another time, one of his highest-ranked recruits didn't last long due to personal issues. Year after year, it was always something. Some of us spoke often of the Hardin Curse. He couldn't catch a break. |
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Post by gurnee50 on Nov 18, 2024 8:17:15 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just recruit out of the portal? That way you don't take anyone with a history of injuries. Or if they did, at least you can see if it's been a recurring problem in college.
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Post by maigrey on Nov 18, 2024 8:27:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just recruit out of the portal? That way you don't take anyone with a history of injuries. Or if they did, at least you can see if it's been a recurring problem in college. Sure, but you have the same issue - they need to want to pick the Illini. So, you'll need to scout mid-majors or take a chance on someone who isn't as proven. We got lucky with Hernandez, whose hometown is close by and had a coaching change. |
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Post by oldmanvb on Nov 18, 2024 9:01:56 GMT -5
While I am pleased with the progress our back row has made as the season has progressed, it was hard watching our play against Purdue yesterday, as Purdue has a solid, working defensive scheme. In particular, I get very frustrated watching our back row cover parts of the court already covered by the block instead of moving to get inside the block. It’s a concept taught as soon as players are big enough to put up a block. Watching talented D1 players unable to dig very diggable balls because they were not where the ball was likely to be hit drives me crazy.
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Post by kevinmalone on Nov 18, 2024 9:05:57 GMT -5
My non-conspiratorial take: the pre-Krista Tamas coaching staffs were poor recruiters. Therefore, they had to take chances on players with some injury history and hope they stayed healthy. Most haven't. This doesn't apply to Barnes-like situations. Concussions are a whole different story. I have a ton of respect for Caroline and her decision. so you are saying the Hambly, Flynn-Oldenburg staffs were poor recruiters?? |
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Post by pointillinois on Nov 18, 2024 10:22:14 GMT -5
My non-conspiratorial take: the pre-Krista Tamas coaching staffs were poor recruiters. Therefore, they had to take chances on players with some injury history and hope they stayed healthy. Most haven't. This doesn't apply to Barnes-like situations. Concussions are a whole different story. I have a ton of respect for Caroline and her decision. so you are saying the Hambly, Flynn-Oldenburg staffs were poor recruiters?? No, Tamas staffs pre-Krista. Hambly was elite. |
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Post by ilalum92 on Nov 18, 2024 11:55:08 GMT -5
Down to 29 RPI - I think we could win out very easily. 21-9 season looks like it could be a reality.
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Post by Chewblocka on Nov 18, 2024 12:09:37 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just recruit out of the portal? That way you don't take anyone with a history of injuries. Or if they did, at least you can see if it's been a recurring problem in college. Well I guess so, but then doesn't that defeat the whole idea of building a team and recruiting? The assumption is that they were injured coming into Illinois which I do not think is the case for most of our players. From my understanding players have to go through a vetting process and medical review prior to being offered a position like other clearances. Perhaps the load is too much for players during the year or something but it is worth looking into. Outcomes show patterns that is all I think any of us are saying. No one wants to see good players sidelined or hurt for playing volleyball and if there is something we can do better as a program to maintain health of our team then I think it makes sense to look into it and I hope they do. |
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Post by ilalum92 on Nov 18, 2024 13:22:25 GMT -5
Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just recruit out of the portal? That way you don't take anyone with a history of injuries. Or if they did, at least you can see if it's been a recurring problem in college. Well I guess so, but then doesn't that defeat the whole idea of building a team and recruiting? The assumption is that they were injured coming into Illinois which I do not think is the case for most of our players. From my understanding players have to go through a vetting process and medical review prior to being offered a position like other clearances. Perhaps the load is too much for players during the year or something but it is worth looking into. Outcomes show patterns that is all I think any of us are saying. No one wants to see good players sidelined or hurt for playing volleyball and if there is something we can do better as a program to maintain health of our team then I think it makes sense to look into it and I hope they do. The top teams in the country all use the portal extensively. Wisco, Pitt, PSU, Louisville, Neb, Texas. SMU anyone?? This whole narrative of recruiting and building a team is a thing of the past. |
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Post by exit237a on Nov 18, 2024 15:16:59 GMT -5
Raina got a nice shoutout from Lee and Emily on their weekly podcast Zoom "900 Square Feet", starting at about the 3:15 mark. Much deserved for Raina to be getting some wider recognition:
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