Round 2 | Kentucky v Baylor | Fri, Dec 1 - 6:00p CT | ESPN+

[saywhatnow]

Dec 1, 2023 22:16:53 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:10:09 GMT -5 chenny11 said:

I’m honestly just surprised to see that Baylor prays after matches because I never thought of them as that religious on an institution compared to other schools. When I was in college we played against liberty and they never asked us to pray. That’s the type of school I would expect that from, not Baylor. But I don’t see a problem with it.

Really? I mean, I always thought of Baylor as just a notch below BYU-Liberty. Maybe close in tier to Pepperdine.

Baylor is certainly not comparable to Jesuit schools, in my experience (Georgetown, LMU, Marquette , Santa Clara, etc).

the Jesuit schools don’t get down like that. Proud Jesuit schools grad here!

[houstonbear15]

Dec 1, 2023 22:10:09 GMT -5 chenny11 said:

I’m honestly just surprised to see that Baylor prays after matches because I never thought of them as that religious on an institution compared to other schools. When I was in college we played against liberty and they never asked us to pray. That’s the type of school I would expect that from, not Baylor. But I don’t see a problem with it.

Yeah I went to Baylor and it is definitely outwardly Christian as an institution. However, it has a pretty diverse student population that welcomes students of all backgrounds. Baylor states on their website "The Baylor family includes members from these faith traditions" that include Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, no religion, etc. Out of my 9 different roommates while at Baylor, 1 of them was actively religious. 

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Baylor is a very authentic, sincere, Christ following school. Had friends kids go there and talk about how the student body is filled with true believers.
The prayer circle has been going on for over a decade now. Every year it’s debated. Believers cheer. Others jeer. And others sit on the fence. Choice is yours.

The team invites the other team to join them in prayer after a sporting event is over. Adults decide if they participate. Not sure how this is criticized in America.

[trojansc]

Dec 1, 2023 22:40:37 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Believers cheer. Others jeer.

I still do not agree with this premise. There's literally a bible verse that explains why there are believers who do NOT cheer this on.

(It's not really related to my personal opinion - which comes more from a mentality of peer pressure, defending players, and representation as an authority figure at a public university).

[houstonbear15]

Dec 1, 2023 22:28:33 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:14:41 GMT -5 houstonbear15 said:

The coach is the ultimate facilitator of team culture. I imagine many coaches have a decent enough understanding of their team's dynamics to know whether or not this could be a comfortable or uncomfortable situation for their team. The invitation isn't first given just as the teams are meeting at the net. There is enough time for collective decision-making. I don't think there is one definite way to approach it because all teams have different dynamics. 

So depending on the team dynamics - Baylor should present the option to a captain or a coach depending on the opposing team's dynamics? Just trying to understand cause I don't think it was clarified whether you believe a coach or captain should be presenting this - unless your answer is 'IDK' or that if you were Baylor you wouldn't know how to determine it.

No, depending on the team dynamics, the coach or captain may have different influences and/or way of approaching the situation themselves. I think a coach and captain both have the chance to present this. Firstly, it's not like it's a secret that Baylor will invite them to pray. These conversations can happen far before the team is ever invited. And if a team is not familiar with the tradition, the captains are able to bring it back to their team, where again both the coach and captain have the capacity to serve as facilitators. 

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Dec 1, 2023 22:30:13 GMT -5 donut said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:25:11 GMT -5 @madden55 said:

because I’m religious and have no problem with Baylor asking Kentucky if they wanna pray together after

lmk when you educate yourself on Baylor’s anti-LGBT history. This is a very sad take, IMO.

You do realize the Bible describes the act as sinful. So yes, it’s a stance by people who believe in the Bible.

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Dec 1, 2023 22:44:12 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:40:37 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Believers cheer. Others jeer.

I still do not agree with this premise. There's literally a bible verse that explains why there are believers who do NOT cheer this on.

(It's not really related to my personal opinion - which comes more from a mentality of peer pressure, defending players, and representation as an authority figure at a public university).

Which one?

[houstonbear15]

Dec 1, 2023 22:30:13 GMT -5 donut said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:25:11 GMT -5 @madden55 said:

because I’m religious and have no problem with Baylor asking Kentucky if they wanna pray together after

lmk when you educate yourself on Baylor’s anti-LGBT history. This is a very sad take, IMO.

Gay Baylor alum here! While surely Baylor does not have a great track record of supporting the LGBTQ+ population historically, the notion that Baylor is completely anti-gay is just not correct anymore. Baylor administration made a big move to charter its first LGBTQ+ student organization recently, a decision that was sure to have backlash from some stakeholders. It may be easy to deem that to be a small step, but it is a mark of progress that aligns with the current leadership of the institution. 

While that org wasn't around while I was at Baylor, my experience is far from what others suggest it to be from the outside. Despite being a queer, non-religious, person of color, at a religious PWI, I never felt that I didn't belong. I understand that my experience was not achievable for many students in Baylor's past, which is to emphasize that there has been progress that has made it more possible for queer students to be successful there. I had many affirming faculty members who continue to outwardly display their support of LGBTQ students in their classrooms at Baylor. 

[trojansc]

Dec 1, 2023 22:50:16 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:44:12 GMT -5 trojansc said:

I still do not agree with this premise. There's literally a bible verse that explains why there are believers who do NOT cheer this on.

(It's not really related to my personal opinion - which comes more from a mentality of peer pressure, defending players, and representation as an authority figure at a public university).

Which one?

I'm making an assumption (1) you are a believer and (2) you are unfamiliar with debates about public prayer, which, is surprising to me if both 1 and 2 are true. Nonetheless - Matthew 6:5

People interpret the text differently and take some more literally than figuratively, but IMO, it is reasonable to see why believers would see this as inauthentic. I'm not saying any of the text/verses should be interpreted one specific way or another, but, this is a debated topic. OTOH - there are many who feel an obligation to proselytize that would take the complete opposite position and strongly encourage even more aggressive forms of what Baylor does.

But this is probably becoming too religious and less about the practice for this board, I just disagree with now multiple comments that are saying everyone against this is either anti-religion or not a believer themselves.

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Dec 1, 2023 23:08:30 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:50:16 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Which one?

I'm making an assumption (1) you are a believer and (2) you are unfamiliar with debates about public prayer, which, is surprising to me if both 1 and 2 are true. Nonetheless - Matthew 6:5

People interpret the text differently and take some more literally than figuratively, but IMO, it is reasonable to see why believers would see this as inauthentic. I'm not saying any of the text/verses should be interpreted one specific way or another, but, this is a debated topic. OTOH - there are many who feel an obligation to proselytize that would take the complete opposite position and strongly encourage even more aggressive forms of what Baylor does.

But this is probably becoming too religious and less about the practice for this board, I just disagree with now multiple comments that are saying everyone against this is either anti-religion or not a believer themselves.

Respectfully.
Context is important to understand when quoting a verse like Matt 6:5. A casual look doesn’t see the intended meaning. Jesus said it to admonish the way the Pharisees at that time who did not understand the heart of Gods intentions.

This quote is for believers: “In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.”

[gohuskervolleyball]

Oop. Love a good unexpected church service chile 😌

[trojansc]

Dec 1, 2023 23:43:08 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Context is important to understand when quoting a verse like Matt 6:5. A casual look doesn’t see the intended meaning. Jesus said it to admonish the way the Pharisees at that time who did not understand the heart of Gods intentions.

That's your take or interpretation. I've heard different takes! Particularly from Evangelicals and Jehovah's Witnesses!

But again, all this comes back to your point saying that 'believers cheer'. I disagree with that premise. (And of course, there are non-believer who conversely don't see anything wrong with it!) I think there's been some simplistic mindsets here, along with the 'yall must be anti-religious or hate those who believe' comment.

[c4ndlelight]

Dec 1, 2023 22:47:55 GMT -5 @decadesofvb said:

Dec 1, 2023 22:30:13 GMT -5 donut said:

lmk when you educate yourself on Baylor’s anti-LGBT history. This is a very sad take, IMO.

You do realize the Bible describes the act as sinful. So yes, it’s a stance by people who believe in the Bible.

You eat shellfish?

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Yayyyy Kentucky beat down

[trojansc]

I finally watched the replay now that there's no more potential upsets. Boo. Yes, almost all of the UK team was headed towards the locker room. IMO, if its an invitation, even if it was agreed upon, if the other team was going away, kind of seems like you'd just be like - oh ok - whatever, they're not interested? Maybe we should back off or at least keep some distance?

But nah - Baylor players started going under the net towards the UK part of the court. If you make the invitation, seems like you'd wait for the other team to come to YOUR side.