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Post by gogophers on Jan 2, 2024 12:20:18 GMT -5
I'm still hung up on the claims that there is that much NIL money out there at a few top schools. So, if you're Carolyn J, how much of a pay cut do you have to take just to get playing time at PSU? Or if you're Krause, is it a no-brainer to stay at Nebraska, even if Landfair beats you out for playing time, unless you can follow Lauenstein and decamp to mega-buck Texas? And if your cut of NIL varies depending on how much you play, what does it do to team chemistry when current player X stands to lose 10s of thousands of dollars if transfer player Y relegates X to the bench? There was just a good New York Times article (specifically about football) and how much NIL money is influencing transfers to top schools there, basically guaranteeing players salaries, benefits, etc… football obviously has more money flowing through it but I think the same is probably true of volleyball but it’s a lot more unknown because there’s less transparency and coverage of the sport. So yes I feel like the NIL money may have been a big factor and all of those hypotheticals could be true. We may never know but I can’t imagine Texas/nebraska/all other big volleyball schools are convincing players to go there without some kind of incentive Football is football--the golden goose or, to switch animals, the 800 pound gorilla. VB is a non-revenue sport everywhere other than maybe Nebraska, and even there the net is probably a drop in the bucket that football largely fills. If it is all about the benjamins, then please spare me the blather about how this or that player transferred in the hopes of getting a "natty." |
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Post by gogophers on Jan 2, 2024 12:25:26 GMT -5
Really not mad she choose the $ - I get it, I agree with you that it's all about the Benji's.... well not all programs/players.... but a large percentage Trust me, Wisconsin is in the red every year... they don't make money or have money.... their NIL program is babysteps compare to the others mentioned. Wisconsin, Louiseville, Pitt etc. still babies to this $ game. Then, I'm flummoxed over the Booth transfer. You'd think she could have gone to Nebraska or Texas, if she wanted to. Why would anyone who could rake in the big bucks in one or the other of those schools go anywhere else? |
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Post by allisonbadger on Jan 2, 2024 12:30:41 GMT -5
She covered that in an article in The Athletic earlier this year:
"It’s no wonder, then, why so many players from other schools have such respect for Wisconsin and why the Badgers present an intriguing option for potential transfers. Booth, who played against Wisconsin twice as a freshman at Minnesota last season, was a first-team all-Big Ten performer. She was so impressed while standing across the net from Wisconsin with the passion and investment its players and coaches possessed that Booth’s first text after entering the transfer portal went to Sheffield around 11 p.m. on a weeknight. She still had his number from when she was recruited as an eighth-grader. Her message, she recalled, was to the point: Hey. I want to play for you. Sheffield called back the next morning, and Booth committed without even visiting campus again."
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Post by buckyupbuttercup on Jan 2, 2024 12:40:21 GMT -5
Trust me, Wisconsin is in the red every year... they don't make money or have money.... their NIL program is babysteps compare to the others mentioned. Wisconsin, Louiseville, Pitt etc. still babies to this $ game. Then, I'm flummoxed over the Booth transfer. You'd think she could have gone to Nebraska or Texas, if she wanted to. Why would anyone who could rake in the big bucks in one or the other of those schools go anywhere else? Flummoxed, really? Big bucks is relative to one's situation. Her dad was a nba player and is currently the gm for a nba team. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 2, 2024 12:43:38 GMT -5
She covered that in an article in The Athletic earlier this year: "It’s no wonder, then, why so many players from other schools have such respect for Wisconsin and why the Badgers present an intriguing option for potential transfers. Booth, who played against Wisconsin twice as a freshman at Minnesota last season, was a first-team all-Big Ten performer. She was so impressed while standing across the net from Wisconsin with the passion and investment its players and coaches possessed that Booth’s first text after entering the transfer portal went to Sheffield around 11 p.m. on a weeknight. She still had his number from when she was recruited as an eighth-grader. Her message, she recalled, was to the point: Hey. I want to play for you. Sheffield called back the next morning, and Booth committed without even visiting campus again." Sheff is far from my favorite person but he’s truly created something special at Wisconsin They went from a serve drought in volleyball to being a top 3 powerhouse on a yearly basis Carlini is a big reason for that too. Both truly made Wisconsin something. |
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Post by rjaege on Jan 2, 2024 12:59:46 GMT -5
So Mrs. Krause, you don't think that Krause can beat out Landfair either? Thanks for furthering my point. Landfair could not have chosen a more terrible situation to come into -- The egos of the Fab5 Jr National Team, The Transfer of the decade (Beason), and we must not forget (we're reminded every day), the all world/all everything touches 14' Krause, that everyone keeps losing their minds over!??! C H E M I S T R Y. Will be odd, egos and pride will be the demise of the season. $$ to the bank. Not all $$ is good $$ Another NE is going to implode prediction, but the source lacks credibility. We'll know by tomorrow, but to me good chance NE doesn't have anymore transfers until after the beach and spring seasons. Landfair will not impact that and why turn down winter trips to CA and HI. Competition during the spring season will provide some insight into the fall starters. After that some decisions will be made. This also provides the team time to sort out intra-team stuff. A complete team melt down not likely IMO. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Jan 2, 2024 13:07:11 GMT -5
I have no real problem with students athletes cashing in on their NIL, but when NIL transforms into a conduit for a few well heeled boosters to drive the recruiting, then the whole endeavor just doesn't interest me anymore. There is no functional difference between that and professional sport. Also, what is legal for state universities depends on state law, so that just amplifies the unfairness in a really random way.
The boosters should be investing in the professional leagues if they are actually interested in progressing the sport rather than strangling it by propping up a select few programs.
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Post by slxpress on Jan 2, 2024 13:13:58 GMT -5
Landfair could not have chosen a more terrible situation to come into -- The egos of the Fab5 Jr National Team, The Transfer of the decade (Beason), and we must not forget (we're reminded every day), the all world/all everything touches 14' Krause, that everyone keeps losing their minds over!??! C H E M I S T R Y. Will be odd, egos and pride will be the demise of the season. $$ to the bank. Not all $$ is good $$ Another NE is going to implode prediction, but the source lacks credibility. We'll know by tomorrow, but to me good chance NE doesn't have anymore transfers until after the beach and spring seasons. Landfair will not impact that and why turn down winter trips to CA and HI. Competition during the spring season will provide some insight into the fall starters. After that some decisions will be made. This also provides the team time to sort out intra-team stuff. A complete team melt down not likely IMO. If someone wanted to bet me Nebraska doesn’t make it to the Final Four next year, I’d take that bet gladly. There’s a championship-itis among fans and commentators that anything short of a championship doesn’t count. That was a remarkable season by the Cornhuskers in a multitude of ways. Coming two years after another championship appearance. Nebraska continues to roll in talent acquisition. People predicting Nebraska’s demise are whistling past the graveyard. |
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Post by rjaege on Jan 2, 2024 13:15:08 GMT -5
I have no real problem with students athletes cashing in on their NIL, but when NIL transforms into a conduit for a few well heeled boosters to drive the recruiting, then the whole endeavor just doesn't interest me anymore. There is no functional difference between that and professional sport. Also, what is legal for state universities depends on state law, so that just amplifies the unfairness in a really random way. The boosters should be investing in the professional leagues if they are actually interested in progressing the sport rather than strangling it by propping up a select few programs. IMO there has been too much money in college sports for decades, and it has been steadily increasing over those same decades. Has it reached or is approaching an inflection point? IMO probably not. Most of the $$ have been in football and MBB. Now it appears that WVB, is in the $$ at a few schools and that appears to be growing. Sports are part of the entertainment business. An increasing number of people are recognizing WVB as a fun spectator sport. Will WVB fan interest continue to grow? Hope so. |
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Post by slxpress on Jan 2, 2024 13:22:07 GMT -5
I have no real problem with students athletes cashing in on their NIL, but when NIL transforms into a conduit for a few well heeled boosters to drive the recruiting, then the whole endeavor just doesn't interest me anymore. There is no functional difference between that and professional sport. Also, what is legal for state universities depends on state law, so that just amplifies the unfairness in a really random way. The boosters should be investing in the professional leagues if they are actually interested in progressing the sport rather than strangling it by propping up a select few programs. People investing in NIL are not interested in progressing the sport. They’re interested in their favorite school winning. That’s why I donate to NIL. If that creates disinterest in you I can hardly blame you, but not to get personal, no one cares. We have no mechanism to curb it, and no white knight on the horizon to save collegiate sports from this anarchy, so your favorite program either joins in on some level or they create a major obstacle to winning that has to be overcome somehow. Stanford has been creating all kinds of obstacles for decades no one else has to compete with, so it can be done. But it sure makes it more difficult. It’s each program’s choice how they want to move forward. If people want to get self righteous about the hows and whys of losing, go for it. But it’s still losing, and losing still flat out sucks as a fan no matter how self righteous you get about it. |
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Post by gogophers on Jan 2, 2024 13:38:30 GMT -5
Then, I'm flummoxed over the Booth transfer. You'd think she could have gone to Nebraska or Texas, if she wanted to. Why would anyone who could rake in the big bucks in one or the other of those schools go anywhere else? Flummoxed, really? Big bucks is relative to one's situation. Her dad was a nba player and is currently the gm for a nba team. Yes, really. I work with and know quite a few extremely wealthy individuals. Most may offer assistance, as and when needed, sure; but all require their kids to stand on their own, earn on their own. None are just handing out six figure checks to their college aged kids, to spend however they like. Of course, my experience isn't going to be universally true. By the same token, the idea that one shouldn't be surprised just because her family is well-off strikes me as illogical. So, yes, I'd be surprised if the daughter of a highly paid executive turned down the chance to leave college with, say, a couple of hundred thou in the bank--her own money, not a cent of it a gift from daddy, assuming daddy would even consider giving his college aged daughter that much money to spend as she likes. And I'd say that, even if there was a significant difference between CB's chances at winning a "natty"--her professed goal--at Wisconsin compared with Nebraska; even if Nebraska or a well-heeled Texas could offer little more than financial remuneration. Where there is no such significance difference in winning, then, yes, I wonder what the thought process was for preferring Wisconsin over Nebraska--assuming the money difference in amount really is what some here are suggesting. |
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Post by bborr on Jan 2, 2024 13:48:18 GMT -5
I think it gets exaggerated, but some of your questions are good ones. As I understand it, the collective for WVB at Nebraska was given $5M to use over 10 years. According to one commenter, there were two $5MM contributions to Nebraska's NIL, which if true, would mean an average of $70K, which would imply $100K+ for any of the better known players. That would be over and above the scholarship money. The two money streams combined would be, would it not, far more than most NCAA players who turn pro after graduation, but who aren't NT level talent, get for playing in PR or France or Germany or someplace like that? What do players in the new American pro leagues make? Surely, nothing like that. Who makes more money? The average Nebraska volleyball player on scholarship (counting the scholarship, too) or the average WNBA player? How about the average LPGA tour player? Then that one commenter is the only one who seems to be aware of that. The one deal was announced with fanfare; no other deal has been publicly acknowledged since. That said, women’s pro sports don’t pay that much, so yea, NIL could definitely keep a volleyball player from leaving before their eligibility is up. |
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Post by gogophers on Jan 2, 2024 13:59:11 GMT -5
She covered that in an article in The Athletic earlier this year: "It’s no wonder, then, why so many players from other schools have such respect for Wisconsin and why the Badgers present an intriguing option for potential transfers. Booth, who played against Wisconsin twice as a freshman at Minnesota last season, was a first-team all-Big Ten performer. She was so impressed while standing across the net from Wisconsin with the passion and investment its players and coaches possessed that Booth’s first text after entering the transfer portal went to Sheffield around 11 p.m. on a weeknight. She still had his number from when she was recruited as an eighth-grader. Her message, she recalled, was to the point: Hey. I want to play for you. Sheffield called back the next morning, and Booth committed without even visiting campus again." "She was so impressed while standing across the net from Wisconsin," etc. With due respect, the idea that one can evaluate "the passion and investment its players and coaches possessed" merely by standing and observing across the net when playing them sounds like nonsense. There's a lot to know and like about Wisconsin, and obviously she liked what she knew. But just from standing at the net? Hooboy. What some writers will say. And should I note churlishly that on one of those two occasions in which Booth supposedly turned her attention from her blocking assignments to observing all that passion on the part of the Badger players and coaches, Minn swept Wisconsin? |
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Post by rjaege on Jan 2, 2024 14:08:00 GMT -5
According to one commenter, there were two $5MM contributions to Nebraska's NIL, which if true, would mean an average of $70K, which would imply $100K+ for any of the better known players. That would be over and above the scholarship money. The two money streams combined would be, would it not, far more than most NCAA players who turn pro after graduation, but who aren't NT level talent, get for playing in PR or France or Germany or someplace like that? What do players in the new American pro leagues make? Surely, nothing like that. Who makes more money? The average Nebraska volleyball player on scholarship (counting the scholarship, too) or the average WNBA player? How about the average LPGA tour player? Then that one commenter is the only one who seems to be aware of that. The one deal was announced with fanfare; no other deal has been publicly acknowledged since. That said, women’s pro sports don’t pay that much, so yea, NIL could definitely keep a volleyball player from leaving before their eligibility is up. After checking I was wrong, there was one donor pledging $500000/ yr for 10 years. |
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Post by vbdiva on Jan 2, 2024 14:10:44 GMT -5
I have no real problem with students athletes cashing in on their NIL, but when NIL transforms into a conduit for a few well heeled boosters to drive the recruiting, then the whole endeavor just doesn't interest me anymore. There is no functional difference between that and professional sport. Also, what is legal for state universities depends on state law, so that just amplifies the unfairness in a really random way. The boosters should be investing in the professional leagues if they are actually interested in progressing the sport rather than strangling it by propping up a select few programs. People investing in NIL are not interested in progressing the sport. They’re interested in their favorite school winning. That’s why I donate to NIL. If that creates disinterest in you I can hardly blame you, but not to get personal, no one cares. We have no mechanism to curb it, and no white knight on the horizon to save collegiate sports from this anarchy, so your favorite program either joins in on some level or they create a major obstacle to winning that has to be overcome somehow. Stanford has been creating all kinds of obstacles for decades no one else has to compete with, so it can be done. But it sure makes it more difficult. It’s each program’s choice how they want to move forward. If people want to get self righteous about the hows and whys of losing, go for it. But it’s still losing, and losing still flat out sucks as a fan no matter how self righteous you get about it. Is this John Cook's burner account? |
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