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Post by hrothgar on Sept 8, 2024 16:46:42 GMT -5
When I as a novice started watching Gophers VB in 2015 and in the following years, the tough 5-setters were matches Gophers always seemed to find a way to win. What's the difference between those years and the past 3 or so years? Is it simply we now are lacking key talent components on the roster? Or is it coaching mistakes? Or what else possibly?
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Post by JHAM on Sept 8, 2024 17:15:20 GMT -5
The Gophers don't have anyone like Wisconsin does with Sarah Franklin that can step up when the sets get tight and get points. Hanson will probably develop into that role but everytime Wucherer swings into the block or tips it's cringe worthy.
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Post by pointu on Sept 8, 2024 17:48:53 GMT -5
The Gophers don't have anyone like Wisconsin does with Sarah Franklin that can step up when the sets get tight and get points. Hanson will probably develop into that role but everytime Wucherer swings into the block or tips it's cringe worthy. I've been thinking about this exact thing with these past 2 matches. I know not every team has a Sarah Franklin, but we have struggled to grit out wins post Samedy. Wucherer I think was recruited as that kind of player but she has not found consistency or flexibility to adjust during a match.
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Post by vbruh on Sept 8, 2024 18:08:51 GMT -5
When I as a novice started watching Gophers VB in 2015 and in the following years, the tough 5-setters were matches Gophers always seemed to find a way to win. What's the difference between those years and the past 3 or so years? Is it simply we now are lacking key talent components on the roster? Or is it coaching mistakes? Or what else possibly? Women’s volleyball is the fastest growing sport in the US, and elite athletes who may have chosen basketball, track, etc, are now part of this wave. 10 years ago, the top ten programs hordes the best talent, but now more teams have more elite players, hence more tight matches. The Gophers are 1-3, but were 4 points from being 4-0, that’s how small the margins are at the very top programs. Keep in mind that in last 18 months, Minny has lost Jenna Wennas (Texas starter), Carter Booth (Wisco starter), Laney Choboy (Husker starter), Taylor Landfair (Husker back up), and Arica Davis (High Point starter) and while they picked up Murr, Acevedo, Thiebuld, Engleman, they are not exactly at an optimal roster composition. What they are doing is COMPETING, at a very high level, and I think they have earned the trust of the fans. They just played 4 top 25 teams in 7 days, all 5 setters. Incredible volleyball, too. Its conceivable that they run the next 6 to enter B1G play at a respectable 7-3.
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Post by mcmike on Sept 8, 2024 20:07:21 GMT -5
Have you e er seen a tandem using OH1 behind the MB? Illinois vs ISU Set 2 11-11
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 8, 2024 21:05:41 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say anything like that, specifically.
There are plenty of other factors that go into the quality of a set that can make it harder to get a kill off it, right?
Trap sets Way off the net sets Inconsistent placement in general
Inconsistent tempo/height (causing hitter to either be slower, more cautious, or otherwise be out of place/timing) Spin
Of course the assist stat is not a great stat for evaluating setters: but not calling doubles does not make it less so: when a quarter backs arm hets hit and the ball goes all wonky but the receiver still catches its a completion: a point gaurd who throws a crappy pass at the bigs ankles who flibs the catch and throws up a crazy shot and it goes in the point gaurd still hets assist: when a golden state warrior throws a ball out to Steph at the logo and he strokes it it os an assist. But the grading of each and the circumstances are evaluated by the staff but the press need a tangible way to promote a player and a team: just like digs is a stat but not graded for the public: a ‘bro with 48 digs on a team hitting .088 : the bro can still be honored in the press. I might have one of toughest serves on team but not the most aces. Lets just not get crazy about saying because we allow doubles its now not viable: it never really was for evaluating a great setter. And ps spin has no effect on ability to attack ball for kill. OK. I buy this.
When I see the Gopher account pimping how many digs or any kind of "___ double", I am going to remind myself that the assist state is not really for evaluating how actually good a setter is.
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Post by dietcokefan on Sept 8, 2024 21:12:59 GMT -5
I’ll admit in the past I was never sold on Mel; however after watching in person this weekend on how much she is running around the court after shank passes I truly feel for her. What she does out on the court is pretty amazing with what she is dealing with every point. She works her butt off. Her hustle won me over as I know I would be livid having to run as much as her lol. We as fan need to cut her some slack, I know I will be going forward.
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Post by dodger on Sept 8, 2024 21:59:50 GMT -5
Of course the assist stat is not a great stat for evaluating setters: but not calling doubles does not make it less so: when a quarter backs arm hets hit and the ball goes all wonky but the receiver still catches its a completion: a point gaurd who throws a crappy pass at the bigs ankles who flibs the catch and throws up a crazy shot and it goes in the point gaurd still hets assist: when a golden state warrior throws a ball out to Steph at the logo and he strokes it it os an assist. But the grading of each and the circumstances are evaluated by the staff but the press need a tangible way to promote a player and a team: just like digs is a stat but not graded for the public: a ‘bro with 48 digs on a team hitting .088 : the bro can still be honored in the press. I might have one of toughest serves on team but not the most aces. Lets just not get crazy about saying because we allow doubles its now not viable: it never really was for evaluating a great setter. And ps spin has no effect on ability to attack ball for kill. OK. I buy this.
When I see the Gopher account pimping how many digs or any kind of "___ double", I am going to remind myself that the assist state is not really for evaluating how actually good a setter is.
Lots more stats you dont see that coaches and committees might use: couple examples for you : 12 kills 4 errors in 32 attempts: but what about the other 16 balls attacked : 12 killed: 4 errored: how many of errors were blocks or flat out flamers? And the 16 still in play how many did the other team dig and score on and how many were so good that they couldnt attack back and we won the rally becasue we got an easy ball back! Or out of the kills how many to the floor: how many off the block: how many swings, how many tips: how many in system kills how many out of system kills. No need to continue: but when you wonder about hitters strength or setters strength there’s alot going on
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Post by jeepers on Sept 9, 2024 3:26:13 GMT -5
Lots more stats you dont see that coaches and committees might use: couple examples for you : 12 kills 4 errors in 32 attempts: but what about the other 16 balls attacked : 12 killed: 4 errored: how many of errors were blocks or flat out flamers? And the 16 still in play how many did the other team dig and score on and how many were so good that they couldnt attack back and we won the rally becasue we got an easy ball back! Or out of the kills how many to the floor: how many off the block: how many swings, how many tips: how many in system kills how many out of system kills. No need to continue: but when you wonder about hitters strength or setters strength there’s alot going on This is what I always think about when it comes to "emergency" tipping. Yeah, you don't get blocked and you aren't forced into making a tough shot that maybe goes out, so you don't get the dreaded error in your stat line. But, you tipped it right into the defense and they got a quick in system kill. That's not better than getting blocked, and you took the pressure off of the defense and gave their offense confidence. It does look a little better on the stat page. An aggressive tip when the defense is disorganized is an entirely different story, but shows up on the traditional stats page just the same. Volleyball is always a funny sport when it comes to stats: "Oh, Bridget got 35 kills, what a match!" Well, if she played better defense, they would've won in 3 and she would've had 14 kills.
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Post by jeepers on Sept 9, 2024 3:31:51 GMT -5
The Gophers don't have anyone like Wisconsin does with Sarah Franklin that can step up when the sets get tight and get points. Hanson will probably develop into that role but everytime Wucherer swings into the block or tips it's cringe worthy. Even though she wasn't the most powerful hitter, Wenaas filled this role decently for the Gophers in the year post-Samedy. Wucherer has not yet emerged as a go-to player in tight points at all. Hanson's mentality is probably closer at this point but not quite there. I do think a run of cupcakes where the hitters can possibly hit .300 or .400 might do this team wonders. They really haven't seen a true cupcake in years. There is some value in seeing the ball smack against the floor with ease, it can carry over psychologically against tougher opponents.
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Post by GoGophs on Sept 9, 2024 11:06:22 GMT -5
My hope these next few matches is for Grote to get back on line with terminating the ball. She's been taking great swings but in poor spots and has been kind of non existent to start the season. We NEED her or another capable Opp to free up our OHs and put up a strong block, I was hoping to see more Crowl (or even Schnichles) against TCU when Grote was struggling.. at the very least to give TCU a different look. Playing at home against relatively "easier" opponents (knock on wood) should be a confidence booster especially being so extremely close to starting 4-0.
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Post by gopherfan8 on Sept 9, 2024 13:56:31 GMT -5
Minnesota coming in 19 for AVCA polls this week
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Post by dietcokefan on Sept 9, 2024 14:15:31 GMT -5
Some more observations from watching this team this past weekend in Waco: 1. This team does try hard 2. Hanson bangs the ball; however, I've noticed when the game gets close at the end she will go to the tip 3. Wookie will hit hard into a triple block but at least she is going for it 4. Z can dig a ball, but needs work on receive 5. During the last set on Saturday, It looked like the team was gassed. 6. I've never seen Cook more annoyed and talkative ever before. 7. Minatee is fun to watch on the slide 8. Hate to be negative; but, Wookie should never play the back row. You can tell she she is trying, but after two seasons its time to try something else (not sure what that would be) 9. This team has a ton of potential. 10. 6 points from being 4-0
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Post by passmetherock on Sept 9, 2024 14:49:51 GMT -5
Some more observations from watching this team this past weekend in Waco: 1. This team does try hard 2. Hanson bangs the ball; however, I've noticed when the game gets close at the end she will go to the tip 3. Wookie will hit hard into a triple block but at least she is going for it 4. Z can dig a ball, but needs work on receive 5. During the last set on Saturday, It looked like the team was gassed. 6. I've never seen Cook more annoyed and talkative ever before. 7. Minatee is fun to watch on the slide 8. Hate to be negative; but, Wookie should never play the back row. You can tell she she is trying, but after two seasons it’s time to try something else (not sure what that would be) 9. This team has a ton of potential. 10. 6 points from being 4-0 great take!
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Post by mcmike on Sept 9, 2024 17:21:26 GMT -5
somewhere near the end of one of the last matches a reference was made to "drunken picnic volleyball" while I would not go that far I think an adjustment is necessary
In the heat of the moment at the end of Looonngg matches it is all too easy to get reactive and go automatic pilot.
This is the time for MINDFULNESS, taking INSPIRATION deep breaths. step out of your shoe??? retie your laces [not kosher] I haven't rewatched the fifth sets of the last two matches, but aura of flailing and fear of losing the point seemed to overwhelm
It almost always has to start with a pass that doesn't chase Shaff behind the attack line or way off center. And her sets, even if from non-ideal locations, need to give the pins other options than hitting into a wall. "If I am on the move to set from a weaker pass, says Shaff, come inside for a quicker set"
You can be exhausted yet still creative. It will be more fun than hoping the other team makes the last mistake. I'm quite sure that learning to compete hard while exhausted wasn't the game plan for the first 2 weeks of the pre-season. They won't be in this back to back scenario again this year. I'm not disappointed, just a little wistful that but for a point here or there 4-0 was within reach.
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