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Post by midwest83 on Nov 8, 2024 15:55:52 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but Wucherer and Acevedo's passing numbers on the season are pretty much the same. So its not like we have some stud serve receive rock on the bench that Cook can just slot in to stabilize passing. And if they did then I'm positive they would be in the match. Serve receive is the hardest skill in volleyball to do at a consistently high level. I just don't see it as an issue that can be fixed within a season. (But not subbing a player out who gets aced like 3x in one run is crazy) My hope would be that Keegan is evaluating how he is teaching the skill and the serve receive system he is implementing overall. And maybe next year some coaching staff additions to help with SR and passing specifically would be welcome. But I think for now we simply do not have players that are great at that skill and there is no miracle fix. Yeah I don't know what the season numbers are at this point but to not make a switch in the midst of a meltdown is interesting to say the least. Acevedo did pass a 2.48 the last time she played the backrow over a 2 game stretch. Maybe I'm hallucinating but it seems that Wucherer has cycled back in against lesser opponents and when she's putting dents in the floor with 1 blocker up or passing dimes with cupcake serving many on this thread are "Wookies back!" "Wookies finally healthy!". Then we play someone with good blocking and tough serving and the enthusiasm evaporates quickly. If Acevedo gets put back in now that we are getting into a stretch with formidable opponents and does Freshman stuff, it won't take long for the "we need Wookie back!" posts. Hope springs eternal |
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Post by eskerjaz on Nov 8, 2024 15:58:44 GMT -5
I don’t disagree, but also, the same numbers does not mean the same consistent outcome. A serve that might ace Wookie might not ace Acevedo, and vice versa. Acevedo started a few matches and didn’t have a great showing and I don’t see anyone calling for Wookie to be completely benched. But it was absolutely coaching malpractice not to try something else. I realize Acevedo had already subbed in to serve by that point so she wasn’t a viable option in that rally. But in general… I always wonder if two players are say passing a flat 2.0, what it looks like if one is either a 0/1/3 pass with no in-between versus the one who always passes a 2. I know what I'd prefer. |
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Post by jimboslice on Nov 8, 2024 16:07:23 GMT -5
I don’t disagree, but also, the same numbers does not mean the same consistent outcome. A serve that might ace Wookie might not ace Acevedo, and vice versa. Acevedo started a few matches and didn’t have a great showing and I don’t see anyone calling for Wookie to be completely benched. But it was absolutely coaching malpractice not to try something else. I realize Acevedo had already subbed in to serve by that point so she wasn’t a viable option in that rally. But in general… I always wonder if two players are say passing a flat 2.0, what it looks like if one is either a 0/1/3 pass with no in-between versus the one who always passes a 2. I know what I'd prefer. Yeah some times stats are misleading. Wucherer definitely gets clean aced and passes 0s a lot more than other outsides but in the Purdue match you could say the same of Acevedo. I would take a player passing a lot of 1s over one that gives up 0s frequently tho. Especially when our block is as good as it is |
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Post by jimboslice on Nov 8, 2024 16:15:18 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but Wucherer and Acevedo's passing numbers on the season are pretty much the same. So its not like we have some stud serve receive rock on the bench that Cook can just slot in to stabilize passing. And if they did then I'm positive they would be in the match. Serve receive is the hardest skill in volleyball to do at a consistently high level. I just don't see it as an issue that can be fixed within a season. (But not subbing a player out who gets aced like 3x in one run is crazy) My hope would be that Keegan is evaluating how he is teaching the skill and the serve receive system he is implementing overall. And maybe next year some coaching staff additions to help with SR and passing specifically would be welcome. But I think for now we simply do not have players that are great at that skill and there is no miracle fix. Yeah I don't know what the season numbers are at this point but to not make a switch in the midst of a meltdown is interesting to say the least. Acevedo did pass a 2.48 the last time she played the backrow over a 2 game stretch. Maybe I'm hallucinating but it seems that Wucherer has cycled back in against lesser opponents and when she's putting dents in the floor with 1 blocker up or passing dimes with cupcake serving many on this thread are "Wookies back!" "Wookies finally healthy!". Then we play someone with good blocking and tough serving and the enthusiasm evaporates quickly. If Acevedo gets put back in now that we are getting into a stretch with formidable opponents and does Freshman stuff, it won't take long for the "we need Wookie back!" posts. Hope springs eternal I do question the mentality of Wucherer more than the physical skill a lot. Serve receive is so mental and with less pressure against weaker teams it seems she performs individual skills better but in tighter situations and must win matches she tends to collapse even though the serving isn't SO much better from some of those teams |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Nov 8, 2024 16:18:20 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but Wucherer and Acevedo's passing numbers on the season are pretty much the same. So it’s not like we have some stud serve receive rock on the bench that Cook can just slot in to stabilize passing. And if they did then I'm positive they would be in the match. Serve receive is the hardest skill in volleyball to do at a consistently high level. I just don't see it as an issue that can be fixed within a season. (But not subbing a player out who gets aced like 3x in one run is crazy) My hope would be that Keegan is evaluating how he is teaching the skill and the serve receive system he is implementing overall. And maybe next year some coaching staff additions to help with SR and passing specifically would be welcome. But I think for now we simply do not have players that are great at that skill and there is no miracle fix. I don’t disagree, but also, the same numbers does not mean the same consistent outcome. A serve that might ace Wookie might not ace Acevedo, and vice versa. Acevedo started a few matches and didn’t have a great showing and I don’t see anyone calling for Wookie to be completely benched. But it was absolutely coaching malpractice not to try something else. I realize Acevedo had already subbed in to serve by that point so she wasn’t a viable option in that rally. But in general… She would have been subbing into the same spot for Wucherer, so she was probably the only option. At the end of the day the lost substitutions don't matter if you can't rotate. I asked a friend half in jest in the midst of the collapse, if Mel could just pass. Since we weren't going to be in system anyway, might as well let her try to get one pass that Z could set. |
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Post by douglass9 on Nov 8, 2024 16:37:20 GMT -5
For two years these players are still playing the same on defense. Our pins are not very good on defense. We play Michigan State and Michigan and look good. It's because they are not very good. In practice they work on everything several hours a day. So why are they not better. Because the players do not have the skill set. He let Wucherer serve a half a year before he pulled her last year and her serve did not improve this year. He started the year with her in the serve rotation. First game of the season she had 5 SE. I can't believe we do not have a better defensive player on the bench. (Hanson's not much better)
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 8, 2024 16:53:45 GMT -5
Cook could’ve also just shifted the passing rotation quicker, Thibault was right there! That seam between Wookie and Z exists in both Ro3 and Ro2. When we finally sided out against Hunt in Ro3 by putting Thibault in serve receive, why on earth is Wookie back in the passing rotation in Ro2? Getting aced immediately. That is one of the easiest places on the court to serve, why not give opposing servers something new to look at?
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Post by gopherhim on Nov 8, 2024 20:48:56 GMT -5
Copying this over from the match thread: Since 2019, Washington is the 5th team to win a match involving a T25 team while hitting .123 or less. 9/14/2019 Indiana (.079) defeated #15 Kentucky (.174) 3-2 (16-25,25-22,12-25,25-20,15-11) 9/22/2019 #4 Penn State (.112) defeated #6 Pittsburgh (.153) 3-2 (28-26,21-25,25-21,20-25,16-14) 9/16/2022 #16 Florida (.115) defeated #4 Wisconsin (.115) 3-2 (25-21,25-18,26-28,13-25,15-13) 3/5/2021 Butler (.117) defeated #24 Marquette (.089) 3-2 (25-18,15-25,17-25,25-18,15-7) 11/7/2024 RV Washington (.123) defeated #14 Minnesota (.248) 3-1 (25-21,25-23,14-25,25-22) The -.125 difference in hitting percentage is the largest deficit for any team defeating a T25 team since 2019. I always appreciate your fun facts. Even when they aren't that fun to see as a Gopher fan lol. I also like looking at record books and archived stats, so I can relate to digging into the history books about last night's hitting % differential. Before bed last night I was looking to see when the last time was that the Gophers out-hit their opponents by .100+ but still lost. Gopher stats page ( gophersports.com/sports/womens-volleyball/stats/2024) only goes back to 2013, Hugh's first year. It's been at least since 2012 that Minnesota out-hit their opponent by .100+ but lost. I guess I'm glad I didn't find another example lol. I wonder if it's ever happened? Probably? Since 2013, Minnesota has played 368 matches and is 281-87 in that time. If having a higher hitting % determined winner, Gophers would be 283-85. They would have to give back 15 wins that they stole with a lower hitting percentage but would gain 17 wins, including last night's vs. Washington. The next highest hitting % differential in a Gopher loss I could find was +0.081 in 2013, another loss in the Pav vs. Nebraska in 5 sets (MN .335, UNL 0.254). 3. +.080 vs. Stanford (MN .302, SU .222) in 2024 on a neutral court in 5 sets 4. +.067 @ Michigan State (MN .268, MSU .201) in 2016 in 5 sets 5. +.049 vs. Northwestern (MN .216, NU .167) in 2022 in 5 sets 6. +.034 @ Penn State (MN .279, PSU .245) in 2018 in 5 sets 7-17. average of +.015 (losses like out-hitting Rutgers by .008 last year but losing in 4 or TCU by .002 this year but losing in 5) In the 15 times Gophers have escaped with a win despite a negative hitting % differential, the most they've gotten away with is -.080 vs Penn State in a 5-setter at the Pav during the Spring 2021 season (MN .149, PSU .229) followed by -.057 vs. Northwestern last year in 5 sets (MN .149, NU .206). +.125!! At home in only 4 sets. Pain. I must be a masochist lol Go Gophs! |
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Post by vonner on Nov 9, 2024 8:35:09 GMT -5
Tough loss to Washington. One that they should have won. Serve and pass let them down again. However, coming out of this weekend 1-1 was *my* expected result. Let's go get this Oregon game for a boost. Sold out. Let's go Gopher fans. Bring the energy.
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Post by GoGophs on Nov 9, 2024 10:15:58 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but Wucherer and Acevedo's passing numbers on the season are pretty much the same. So its not like we have some stud serve receive rock on the bench that Cook can just slot in to stabilize passing. And if they did then I'm positive they would be in the match. Serve receive is the hardest skill in volleyball to do at a consistently high level. I just don't see it as an issue that can be fixed within a season. (But not subbing a player out who gets aced like 3x in one run is crazy) My hope would be that Keegan is evaluating how he is teaching the skill and the serve receive system he is implementing overall. And maybe next year some coaching staff additions to help with SR and passing specifically would be welcome. But I think for now we simply do not have players that are great at that skill and there is no miracle fix. Yeah I don't know what the season numbers are at this point but to not make a switch in the midst of a meltdown is interesting to say the least. Acevedo did pass a 2.48 the last time she played the backrow over a 2 game stretch. Maybe I'm hallucinating but it seems that Wucherer has cycled back in against lesser opponents and when she's putting dents in the floor with 1 blocker up or passing dimes with cupcake serving many on this thread are "Wookies back!" "Wookies finally healthy!". Then we play someone with good blocking and tough serving and the enthusiasm evaporates quickly. If Acevedo gets put back in now that we are getting into a stretch with formidable opponents and does Freshman stuff, it won't take long for the "we need Wookie back!" posts. Hope springs eternal But that’s the point of having depth that KCook always boasts about. You have 3 solid pin options so use them all. If Wuchs gets aced 3x in a row, you put in your other capable pin hitter to let her regroup and give the opposing team something else to think about. I’ve been a proponent to utilizing all 3 pins according to what’s needed since the season started. Hansons been our workhorse but they all have strengths and weaknesses so develop a proper game plan that involves using that to your benefit which he was doing for the most part until that match for whatever reason. Like everyone’s saying, serve receive is soooo incredibly mental and that match was a prime example of when to use your depth. And to be fair, you know WA was HUNGRY for that win and they played like it. Hopefully it’s a kick in the butt and they can pull it off vs Oregon. I actually like their chances better for this match than the last. |
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Post by comet on Nov 9, 2024 10:34:26 GMT -5
And to be fair, you know WA was HUNGRY for that win and they played like it. Hopefully it’s a kick in the butt and they can pull it off vs Oregon. I actually like their chances better for this match than the last. Interesting. Why do you see this as a better match up for the Gophers than Washington was? Because the Ducks are a little hobbled and trying a new system right now? Or something else? |
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Post by jwvolley on Nov 9, 2024 10:45:36 GMT -5
On the season:
Hanson 1.80
Wucherer 1.83
Acevedo 1.94
Thibault 1.98
Palabiyik 2.07
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Post by mr. samwich on Nov 9, 2024 11:45:27 GMT -5
On the season: Hanson 1.80 Wucherer 1.83 Acevedo 1.94 Thibault 1.98 Palabiyik 2.07 Actually incredible they've managed the record and ranking that they have 💀 |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Nov 9, 2024 12:38:19 GMT -5
Copying this over from the match thread: Since 2019, Washington is the 5th team to win a match involving a T25 team while hitting .123 or less. 9/14/2019 Indiana (.079) defeated #15 Kentucky (.174) 3-2 (16-25,25-22,12-25,25-20,15-11) 9/22/2019 #4 Penn State (.112) defeated #6 Pittsburgh (.153) 3-2 (28-26,21-25,25-21,20-25,16-14) 9/16/2022 #16 Florida (.115) defeated #4 Wisconsin (.115) 3-2 (25-21,25-18,26-28,13-25,15-13) 3/5/2021 Butler (.117) defeated #24 Marquette (.089) 3-2 (25-18,15-25,17-25,25-18,15-7) 11/7/2024 RV Washington (.123) defeated #14 Minnesota (.248) 3-1 (25-21,25-23,14-25,25-22) The -.125 difference in hitting percentage is the largest deficit for any team defeating a T25 team since 2019. I always appreciate your fun facts. Even when they aren't that fun to see as a Gopher fan lol. I also like looking at record books and archived stats, so I can relate to digging into the history books about last night's hitting % differential. Before bed last night I was looking to see when the last time was that the Gophers out-hit their opponents by .100+ but still lost. Gopher stats page ( gophersports.com/sports/womens-volleyball/stats/2024) only goes back to 2013, Hugh's first year. It's been at least since 2012 that Minnesota out-hit their opponent by .100+ but lost. I guess I'm glad I didn't find another example lol. I wonder if it's ever happened? Probably? Since 2013, Minnesota has played 368 matches and is 281-87 in that time. If having a higher hitting % determined winner, Gophers would be 283-85. They would have to give back 15 wins that they stole with a lower hitting percentage but would gain 17 wins, including last night's vs. Washington. The next highest hitting % differential in a Gopher loss I could find was +0.081 in 2013, another loss in the Pav vs. Nebraska in 5 sets (MN .335, UNL 0.254). 3. +.080 vs. Stanford (MN .302, SU .222) in 2024 on a neutral court in 5 sets 4. +.067 @ Michigan State (MN .268, MSU .201) in 2016 in 5 sets 5. +.049 vs. Northwestern (MN .216, NU .167) in 2022 in 5 sets 6. +.034 @ Penn State (MN .279, PSU .245) in 2018 in 5 sets 7-17. average of +.015 (losses like out-hitting Rutgers by .008 last year but losing in 4 or TCU by .002 this year but losing in 5) In the 15 times Gophers have escaped with a win despite a negative hitting % differential, the most they've gotten away with is -.080 vs Penn State in a 5-setter at the Pav during the Spring 2021 season (MN .149, PSU .229) followed by -.057 vs. Northwestern last year in 5 sets (MN .149, NU .206). +.125!! At home in only 4 sets. Pain. I must be a masochist lol Go Gophs! I kept thinking during the Washington match, that we can't possibly lose this match while outhitting the Huskies by .100+ points. That has to be a pretty rare occurrence. Since 2019*, it was only the 3rd time a team upset a T25 with a .100+ lower hitting percentage. 9/20/19 Duke (.166) over #14 Oregon (.268). 11/4/21 South Carolina (.241) over #5 Kentucky (.345) and Washington over the Gophers. It would be nice if someone at the Gophers athletic department could add the pre-2012 box scores back in, as I feel like there used to be some back into the 2000's. Guessing getting anything back through the 70's like Nebraska has would be too much to ask for though. *when I say since 2019, that is all the further back I kept track of T25 match results, so there may be others prior to 2019. |
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Post by GoGophs on Nov 9, 2024 12:54:27 GMT -5
And to be fair, you know WA was HUNGRY for that win and they played like it. Hopefully it’s a kick in the butt and they can pull it off vs Oregon. I actually like their chances better for this match than the last. Interesting. Why do you see this as a better match up for the Gophers than Washington was? Because the Ducks are a little hobbled and trying a new system right now? Or something else? Oregon is hobbled and I like our chances against their block but they’re still going to be a hard team to beat. To me, it was actually more about the trap match that could be (and was) Washington. It’s a total mindf* to play against a team and coach you know very well and puts a ton of pressure on players and coaches. Washington to me had more to play for than MN did. My hope is that without that pressure (and now after a kick in the butt) that they’ll play looser and have more fire to protect the Pav 🤞 |
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