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Post by noblesol on Aug 12, 2024 3:00:28 GMT -5
Karen, I've already explained to you the reason why I think that those are lame excuses so I'm not sure why you claim that I "offer nearly nothing and just come off as passive aggressive" but since you didn't get it or understand it here's why I say that: Geography and lack of resources HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FACTOR THAT UH WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. Not only in volleyball but UH athletics in general. If you still don't understand let me put it to you this way: nothing has changed in that regard so it's NOT a valid point to bring up to excuse what's happening NOW. We've ALWAYS had that problem and probably always will. IMHO there is NO excuse for having a 13 player roster. And I agree with you that it's always been a problem but my point is that the disparity is becoming even greater when you look at the entire picture that is the current NCAA. The rich are getting richer and Hawaii has always been behind. With the introduction of NIL and the relaxed restrictions on the transfer portal, the athletes are now able to transfer out to a places where they could start earning money. Maybe a change in the guard would help mitigate the 13 women roster issue in the future but they need the money to buy the services of better coaches and now players. Money is talking louder than it ever has before in the NCAA. I think we agree on things more than it seems, I'm just in the camp of enjoy it while it's here though I've also been underwhelmed by the recruiting and the development of some players. NIL or the lack of it probably explains a lot of rosters going into the 2024 season — Wahine included.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 12, 2024 3:34:28 GMT -5
It is crazy to think of Hawaii not having a football team. There have been times where they have been such a source of pride for the state and they give our local boys an opportunity to play at home in front of friends and family. But yes, the financials aren't great and the projections don't look great either for them. Tough. I pray the Warriors have a great season to kickstart a comeback but even if they do, will that be enough? Maybe a little less crazy after reading this article found in the school paper about a year ago: www.manoanow.org/kaleo/why-no-one-cares-about-uh-football/article_2bf0ab18-5d91-11ee-84f9-6b41a4242159.htmlYes, I read that article after it was released. So sad.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 12, 2024 3:37:42 GMT -5
And I agree with you that it's always been a problem but my point is that the disparity is becoming even greater when you look at the entire picture that is the current NCAA. The rich are getting richer and Hawaii has always been behind. With the introduction of NIL and the relaxed restrictions on the transfer portal, the athletes are now able to transfer out to a places where they could start earning money. Maybe a change in the guard would help mitigate the 13 women roster issue in the future but they need the money to buy the services of better coaches and now players. Money is talking louder than it ever has before in the NCAA. I think we agree on things more than it seems, I'm just in the camp of enjoy it while it's here though I've also been underwhelmed by the recruiting and the development of some players. NIL or the lack of it probably explains a lot of rosters going into the 2024 season — Wahine included. I remember reading something that said that mid majors like Hawaii probably only have the capacity to assist top performing or athletes with large followings with NIL. I'm not too sure if I'm quoting it correctly though.
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Post by medusa on Aug 12, 2024 12:55:02 GMT -5
Is it true that some athletes uses a free trip to Hawaii and not really want to go to Hawaii, just to get a free trip? Was chatting with an Uber driver, that knew some athletes( Basketball)comes to Hawaii just for the free trips.
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 12, 2024 16:35:49 GMT -5
You're just like those nincompoops that if you criticize something about our country you tell them "if you don't love it leave it". That's so stupid! You can love something but still criticize it and want it to be better! I've been a Men's and Women's Volleyball season ticket holder since I moved back to Hawaii after college in 1987 and I've also been a past VP and Booster Club Board Member and I'm not going anywhere! I have a right to my opinion just like anyone else on here. And if I think your opinion is stupid then I have the right to voice that or what is the problem? I’m not interested in insulting you I just think it’s ridiculous how you and others are scapegoating the coaching staff not to mention lacking the self awareness that this exact scenario could likely be happening to several other programs that you DONT follow as closely. You’ve obviously had Shoji the majority of your time as a fan and rather than thinking of ways to be supportive of the staff, you and others are just pulling negative assumptions out of your backside despite the evidence that tells you otherwise. Look, I've been supportive of Robyn and was one of the people that were commenting on here that I was thrilled that she got the job BUT it's becoming very apparent she's not up to the job and is slowly bringing the program down. I have put my money where my mouth is unlike some on here that aren't even season ticket holders or even members of the Booster Club yet are all mouth on here. Are you even a season ticket holder or Booster Club member? Have you donated $$$ and computer equipment to the program like I have? I'm not saying that because I've done those things I deserve anything but I am bringing it up because for some nobody like yourself to say I'm not "supportive" is galling to me. Bottom line: A 13 player roster with all our program has got going for it is VERY troubling and for someone to say otherwise is just foolish.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 12, 2024 16:36:41 GMT -5
Those who are looking at roster sizes and making a comparison, you gotta realize that a lot of those teams in the past have like 4-5 smalls. Smalls do not really help when you are trying to put together a B team for practice. I don't see players like Rika Okino and Clare Marie Anderson all that helpful in the front row during practices. I do admit we have a depth problem but I don't see that hurting us in practice that much. Having the assistant coaches play on the B team is much preferred. That way, the 13 players will get to max out their reps playing with the A team. This might be a season where all 13 players will have a shot at playing time. I don't see a guarantee "bench warmer" on this roster. might make for more competitive practices and desire to start for the players ... which will go a long way toward getting more reps and player development ... risk is if there's injury (which many have mentioned on here, and is just one of those things out of anyone's control). hoping all stay healthy! ... and that the smaller roster also brings the team closer as a group
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 12, 2024 16:46:24 GMT -5
Karen, I've already explained to you the reason why I think that those are lame excuses so I'm not sure why you claim that I "offer nearly nothing and just come off as passive aggressive" but since you didn't get it or understand it here's why I say that: Geography and lack of resources HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FACTOR THAT UH WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH. Not only in volleyball but UH athletics in general. If you still don't understand let me put it to you this way: nothing has changed in that regard so it's NOT a valid point to bring up to excuse what's happening NOW. We've ALWAYS had that problem and probably always will. IMHO there is NO excuse for having a 13 player roster. And I agree with you that it's always been a problem but my point is that the disparity is becoming even greater when you look at the entire picture that is the current NCAA. The rich are getting richer and Hawaii has always been behind. With the introduction of NIL and the relaxed restrictions on the transfer portal, the athletes are now able to transfer out to a places where they could start earning money. Maybe a change in the guard would help mitigate the 13 women roster issue in the future but they need the money to buy the services of better coaches and now players. Money is talking louder than it ever has before in the NCAA. I think we agree on things more than it seems, I'm just in the camp of enjoy it while it's here though I've also been underwhelmed by the recruiting and the development of some players. Karen, I think the difference between us is I am not in the "enjoy it while it's here" camp I am in the "I'm sounding alarm bells that the program is slowly sliding downhill camp and we need to recognize it and start planning on how we can right the ship" camp. In the past I have always been pretty sure that we will win the conference and do well in the NCAA's - I even thought that in the injury plagued 1992 season (before you were born!) when we didn't go to the NCAA's for the first time in program history, but I've gotten to the point now where I'm not even sure we will win the Big West this year let alone do well or even make it to the postseason. IMHO if Robyn doesn't win the Big West this year she should be on notice...
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 12, 2024 16:52:44 GMT -5
Is it true that some athletes uses a free trip to Hawaii and not really want to go to Hawaii, just to get a free trip? Was chatting with an Uber driver, that knew some athletes( Basketball)comes to Hawaii just for the free trips. That's nothing new. It's been an issue since I've been following UH in the 80's. The coaches just have to do a better job of vetting the player to make sure they're really interested BEFORE offering them a visit.
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Post by islandman on Aug 12, 2024 17:00:14 GMT -5
The lack of resources issue is linked to the falling fortunes of UH Manoa football. According to College Factual, it consumes about one-fourth of the athletic budget and runs a budget deficit of about $2 million. In addition, WBB, MBB, and Baseball all run deficits collectively in the millions. The programs that elevate the Tier-1 schools sink the Manoa ship. How did that site come up with those figures ? Because at the top of a page, College Factual says UH had $45,028,210 Total Revenue and $43,634,526 Total Expenses which is a surplus . And it says Wahine volleyball loses money. which is not what has been stated previously by the sportswriters. It doesn't say for what FY their data is for. During the pandemic, I can see the sports not making much money from ticket sales .
Also, in the past MBB, MVB and baseball have usually made some profits or mostly covered their expenses.
College Factual ? also states the Men's and Women's Golf make $4.7 and $4.6 million in profits.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 12, 2024 17:02:39 GMT -5
Kahea Silva was a late transfer from UH-Hilo. She was #17 on the roster, played sparingly and returned to UH-Hilo after one year with the 'Bows. She was the starting setter for UH-Hilo, but was a DS for the Wahine. Rayna Kitaguchi (#12) and Jayme Lee (#18) were the two freshmen walk-ons who survived the tryout process in 2005. Others were cut. Makana Recca (#19) was a DS transfer who played sparingly at her previous school. She stayed one year (2006). She was the lone survivor of the walk-ons who joined fall camp. Others quit. These walk-ons became official members of the team after the media guides went to print, I guess. Pretty sure they were on the online roster back then and were in the articles by Cindy Luis and Ann Miller. jayme lee still one of my favoriate walk-on-to-starter success stories in the wahine program. in 2006, solidifying the libero spot after other smalls ahead of her in the depth chart seemingly faltered. loved how she came up big in the 2006 regional semis against usc ...
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 12, 2024 17:24:12 GMT -5
And if I think your opinion is stupid then I have the right to voice that or what is the problem? I’m not interested in insulting you I just think it’s ridiculous how you and others are scapegoating the coaching staff not to mention lacking the self awareness that this exact scenario could likely be happening to several other programs that you DONT follow as closely. You’ve obviously had Shoji the majority of your time as a fan and rather than thinking of ways to be supportive of the staff, you and others are just pulling negative assumptions out of your backside despite the evidence that tells you otherwise. Look, I've been supportive of Robyn and was one of the people that were commenting on here that I was thrilled that she got the job BUT it's becoming very apparent she's not up to the job and is slowly bringing the program down. I have put my money where my mouth is unlike some on here that aren't even season ticket holders or even members of the Booster Club yet are all mouth on here. Are you even a season ticket holder or Booster Club member? Have you donated $$$ and computer equipment to the program like I have? I'm not saying that because I've done those things I deserve anything but I am bringing it up because for some nobody like yourself to say I'm not "supportive" is galling to me. Bottom line: A 13 player roster with all our program has got going for it is VERY troubling and for someone to say otherwise is just foolish. Lol no one gives 2fks about you donated pennies, a few keyboards or season tickets. That’s a drop in the ocean of what a program needs financially to compete with what money is doing to college athletics at the moment. As far as I’m concerned if you’re not on some sort of athletic board or donating multiple thousands if not a million to the program, you are no better than any other fan on here and it’s insane but not surprising that you think the way that you do. There are several WORLD AFFECTING factors that has had happened during Robyn’s tenure that as significantly impacted this program. Recovery isn’t going to be automatic and it’s foolish to expect it to be. However, you and others can’t seem to scrape the crust off your eyes and take the blinders off. There are ebbs and flows to college athletics and maintaining success. On its face, you all are b!tching and complaining about a 13 team roster in a game that plays 7 players just because more than that is the collegiate norm. It’s right around there professionally and some of the highest level clubs, with players playing significantly more throughout the club season than they do the college season. But you fools are crying because of your inability to stop comparing yourself to everyone else. Now THATS the tea. You all seem to have this penchant for inferiority complexes that I simply do not understand. If Robyn puts out a team that shows little to no improvement from the beginning of the season to the end, then there would be an issue, but until that happens, I see a major deterrent of recruits and mental detriment on current players being all of you sad ass fair weather fans.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 12, 2024 18:55:57 GMT -5
Look, I've been supportive of Robyn and was one of the people that were commenting on here that I was thrilled that she got the job BUT it's becoming very apparent she's not up to the job and is slowly bringing the program down. I have put my money where my mouth is unlike some on here that aren't even season ticket holders or even members of the Booster Club yet are all mouth on here. Are you even a season ticket holder or Booster Club member? Have you donated $$$ and computer equipment to the program like I have? I'm not saying that because I've done those things I deserve anything but I am bringing it up because for some nobody like yourself to say I'm not "supportive" is galling to me. Bottom line: A 13 player roster with all our program has got going for it is VERY troubling and for someone to say otherwise is just foolish. Lol no one gives 2fks about you donated pennies, a few keyboards or season tickets. That’s a drop in the ocean of what a program needs financially to compete with what money is doing to college athletics at the moment. As far as I’m concerned if you’re not on some sort of athletic board or donating multiple thousands if not a million to the program, you are no better than any other fan on here and it’s insane but not surprising that you think the way that you do. There are several WORLD AFFECTING factors that has had happened during Robyn’s tenure that as significantly impacted this program. Recovery isn’t going to be automatic and it’s foolish to expect it to be. However, you and others can’t seem to scrape the crust off your eyes and take the blinders off. There are ebbs and flows to college athletics and maintaining success. On its face, you all are b!tching and complaining about a 13 team roster in a game that plays 7 players just because more than that is the collegiate norm. It’s right around there professionally and some of the highest level clubs, with players playing significantly more throughout the club season than they do the college season. But you fools are crying because of your inability to stop comparing yourself to everyone else. Now THATS the tea. You all seem to have this penchant for inferiority complexes that I simply do not understand. If Robyn puts out a team that shows little to no improvement from the beginning of the season to the end, then there would be an issue, but until that happens, I see a major deterrent of recruits and mental detriment on current players being all of you sad ass fair weather fans. The truth in the penchant for the inferiority complex and comparison. Its nasssshhtttyyy work lol
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Post by hapaguy on Aug 12, 2024 20:02:37 GMT -5
Look, I've been supportive of Robyn and was one of the people that were commenting on here that I was thrilled that she got the job BUT it's becoming very apparent she's not up to the job and is slowly bringing the program down. I have put my money where my mouth is unlike some on here that aren't even season ticket holders or even members of the Booster Club yet are all mouth on here. Are you even a season ticket holder or Booster Club member? Have you donated $$$ and computer equipment to the program like I have? I'm not saying that because I've done those things I deserve anything but I am bringing it up because for some nobody like yourself to say I'm not "supportive" is galling to me. Bottom line: A 13 player roster with all our program has got going for it is VERY troubling and for someone to say otherwise is just foolish. Lol no one gives 2fks about you donated pennies, a few keyboards or season tickets. That’s a drop in the ocean of what a program needs financially to compete with what money is doing to college athletics at the moment. As far as I’m concerned if you’re not on some sort of athletic board or donating multiple thousands if not a million to the program, you are no better than any other fan on here and it’s insane but not surprising that you think the way that you do. There are several WORLD AFFECTING factors that has had happened during Robyn’s tenure that as significantly impacted this program. Recovery isn’t going to be automatic and it’s foolish to expect it to be. However, you and others can’t seem to scrape the crust off your eyes and take the blinders off. There are ebbs and flows to college athletics and maintaining success. On its face, you all are b!tching and complaining about a 13 team roster in a game that plays 7 players just because more than that is the collegiate norm. It’s right around there professionally and some of the highest level clubs, with players playing significantly more throughout the club season than they do the college season. But you fools are crying because of your inability to stop comparing yourself to everyone else. Now THATS the tea. You all seem to have this penchant for inferiority complexes that I simply do not understand. If Robyn puts out a team that shows little to no improvement from the beginning of the season to the end, then there would be an issue, but until that happens, I see a major deterrent of recruits and mental detriment on current players being all of you sad ass fair weather fans. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I only brought up my long-time support and commitment to the program as a response to your claim that I am not supportive of the team. I notice you didn't answer my question about whether you're a season ticket holder and a booster club member which leads me to believe that you are neither. You think that by being some sort of keyboard warrior on a volleyball discussion board that makes you a supporter? LOL why don't you put your money where your big mouth is and really support the team. You and others on here are always commenting that the program can't compete in terms of $$$ so step up like I have or shut your hamberder hole. Regarding the "world affecting factors" you think that Hawaii is the only program to have to deal with it? It's just another excuse. And regarding people having "inferiority complexes" you should take a long hard look in the mirror since it's you and a few others on here that seem to be ok with the downward slide of the program. I am the one sounding alarm bells about the programs slow slide and all you and a few others on here seem to do is to make excuses for it. Look, this is pointless. I'm done arguing with someone that thinks that their keyboard warrior antics on VT equate to support for the program. You can have the last word so go ahead and twist or mischaracterize my statements to make yourself feel like you're some sort of hero to the program...
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 12, 2024 20:30:23 GMT -5
Hey HapaGuy, forget people like Karen, they have what is now known as the Trump Disease, " Severe Brain Malfunction".
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 12, 2024 20:44:37 GMT -5
Hey HapaGuy, forget people like Karen, they have what is now known as the Trump Disease, " Severe Brain Malfunction". That makes two of us, Yvonne. 😘
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