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Post by raian13 on Aug 12, 2024 21:21:26 GMT -5
Hey HapaGuy, forget people like Karen, they have what is now known as the Trump Disease, " Severe Brain Malfunction". no politics
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Post by wahinefan on Aug 12, 2024 21:21:29 GMT -5
Hey HapaGuy, forget people like Karen, they have what is now known as the Trump Disease, " Severe Brain Malfunction". That makes two of us, Yvonne. 😘 Oh, you mean, Babyback and you.
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Post by 808empath on Aug 12, 2024 21:50:49 GMT -5
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Post by noblesol on Aug 12, 2024 21:53:04 GMT -5
The lack of resources issue is linked to the falling fortunes of UH Manoa football. According to College Factual, it consumes about one-fourth of the athletic budget and runs a budget deficit of about $2 million. In addition, WBB, MBB, and Baseball all run deficits collectively in the millions. The programs that elevate the Tier-1 schools sink the Manoa ship. How did that site come up with those figures ? Because at the top of a page, College Factual says UH had $45,028,210 Total Revenue and $43,634,526 Total Expenses which is a surplus . And it says Wahine volleyball loses money. which is not what has been stated previously by the sportswriters. It doesn't say for what FY their data is for. During the pandemic, I can see the sports not making much money from ticket sales .
Also, in the past MBB, MVB and baseball have usually made some profits or mostly covered their expenses.
College Factual ? also states the Men's and Women's Golf make $4.7 and $4.6 million in profits.
Link to current College Factual overview summary for UH Manoa athletics: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-hawaii-at-manoa/student-life/sports/#athletics_overviewTheir link to an overview of their sources and methodology is found at the bottom of the above (roll through): www.collegefactual.com/about/references/Most school reporting is to government agencies, and College Factual states most data will be one to two years old before they can scrape it. The school and agencies obviously take their own time in collating, parsing and reporting. And College Factual then scrapes and collates it into their own format. In most cases they'll be at least two years behind in what they report, and could be three years old before they've collected, collated, and posted updates. My take on the College Factual current overview summary for UH Manoa: Men's and Women's golf obviously don't turn big profits in any year. They are small programs. Small net losers. However the Athletic Department in recent years has received plus ups from the State/University in amounts in excess of $5 million, and I believe up to $10 million (I'd suspect some of it scraped from covid related federal to state/university subsidies) and the University might have chosen to tee shot plus ups into the golfing lines, with a footnote somewhere that got lost in the data scraping. Fore!!!
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Post by staticb on Aug 12, 2024 23:32:46 GMT -5
The issue with "investing" in men and women's volleyball and baseball is that (at least right now) is that you're pretty much capped in terms of return value by the size of your arena. There's no TV money or tournament money or anything like that. Men's and Women's Vball are already at 70% capacity, and baseball is at like 75% capacity. Let's say college factual is right and the program brings in about a million dollars. Let's assume you sell out every game and can afford to raise prices a little--you're still looking at 1.5M. So let's say you fire Robyn and bring in a "big name" coach, there goes the extra budget right there.
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Post by islandman on Aug 12, 2024 23:56:06 GMT -5
How did that site come up with those figures ? Because at the top of a page, College Factual says UH had $45,028,210 Total Revenue and $43,634,526 Total Expenses which is a surplus . And it says Wahine volleyball loses money. which is not what has been stated previously by the sportswriters. It doesn't say for what FY their data is for. During the pandemic, I can see the sports not making much money from ticket sales .
Also, in the past MBB, MVB and baseball have usually made some profits or mostly covered their expenses.
College Factual ? also states the Men's and Women's Golf make $4.7 and $4.6 million in profits.
Link to current College Factual overview summary for UH Manoa athletics: www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-hawaii-at-manoa/student-life/sports/#athletics_overviewTheir link to an overview of their sources and methodology is found at the bottom of the above (roll through): www.collegefactual.com/about/references/Most school reporting is to government agencies, and College Factual states most data will be one to two years old before they can scrape it. The school and agencies obviously take their own time in collating, parsing and reporting. And College Factual then scrapes and collates it into their own format. In most cases they'll be at least two years behind in what they report, and could be three years old before they've collected, collated, and posted updates. My take on the College Factual current overview summary for UH Manoa: Men's and Women's golf obviously don't turn big profits in any year. They are small programs. Small net losers. However the Athletic Department in recent years has received plus ups from the State/University in amounts in excess of $5 million, and I believe up to $10 million (I'd suspect some of it scraped from covid related federal to state/university subsidies) and the University might have chosen to tee shot plus ups into the golfing lines, with a footnote somewhere that got lost in the data scraping. Fore!!! Your plus ups is in included in the Annual University upper campus, State and Student fee support amounts allocated to Athletic Dept Operating Revenues as outlined in the NCAA Finances report by USA Today. For FY 2022, that Total amount was about $29 million or 59 % of Total Operating Revenues.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 13, 2024 0:43:09 GMT -5
That makes two of us, Yvonne. 😘 Oh, you mean, Babyback and you. Or maybe we can be a trio?
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 13, 2024 1:03:36 GMT -5
Lol no one gives 2fks about you donated pennies, a few keyboards or season tickets. That’s a drop in the ocean of what a program needs financially to compete with what money is doing to college athletics at the moment. As far as I’m concerned if you’re not on some sort of athletic board or donating multiple thousands if not a million to the program, you are no better than any other fan on here and it’s insane but not surprising that you think the way that you do. There are several WORLD AFFECTING factors that has had happened during Robyn’s tenure that as significantly impacted this program. Recovery isn’t going to be automatic and it’s foolish to expect it to be. However, you and others can’t seem to scrape the crust off your eyes and take the blinders off. There are ebbs and flows to college athletics and maintaining success. On its face, you all are b!tching and complaining about a 13 team roster in a game that plays 7 players just because more than that is the collegiate norm. It’s right around there professionally and some of the highest level clubs, with players playing significantly more throughout the club season than they do the college season. But you fools are crying because of your inability to stop comparing yourself to everyone else. Now THATS the tea. You all seem to have this penchant for inferiority complexes that I simply do not understand. If Robyn puts out a team that shows little to no improvement from the beginning of the season to the end, then there would be an issue, but until that happens, I see a major deterrent of recruits and mental detriment on current players being all of you sad ass fair weather fans. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I only brought up my long-time support and commitment to the program as a response to your claim that I am not supportive of the team. I notice you didn't answer my question about whether you're a season ticket holder and a booster club member which leads me to believe that you are neither. You think that by being some sort of keyboard warrior on a volleyball discussion board that makes you a supporter? LOL why don't you put your money where your big mouth is and really support the team. You and others on here are always commenting that the program can't compete in terms of $$$ so step up like I have or shut your hamberder hole. Regarding the "world affecting factors" you think that Hawaii is the only program to have to deal with it? It's just another excuse. And regarding people having "inferiority complexes" you should take a long hard look in the mirror since it's you and a few others on here that seem to be ok with the downward slide of the program. I am the one sounding alarm bells about the programs slow slide and all you and a few others on here seem to do is to make excuses for it. Look, this is pointless. I'm done arguing with someone that thinks that their keyboard warrior antics on VT equate to support for the program. You can have the last word so go ahead and twist or mischaracterize my statements to make yourself feel like you're some sort of hero to the program... Oh thank Gawd I take all that nonsense and deflection as you’re finally going to shut tf up! Hallelujah!!!
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 13, 2024 1:04:16 GMT -5
Oh, you mean, Babyback and you. Or maybe we can be a trio? Power of 3!!!!
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 13, 2024 1:38:27 GMT -5
Or maybe we can be a trio? Power of 3!!!! I’ve been on a charmed binge ever since shannen died.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 13, 2024 1:44:15 GMT -5
I’ve been on a charmed binge ever since shannen died. 🥺 R.I.P. to her. Trying to see if I can track down the old 90210 and the remakes too.
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Post by VT Karen on Aug 13, 2024 2:27:36 GMT -5
I’ve been on a charmed binge ever since shannen died. RIP to Shannen. Now you have your very own VT Charmed sisters.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 13, 2024 2:34:04 GMT -5
I’ve been on a charmed binge ever since shannen died. RIP to Shannen. Now you have your very own VT Charmed sisters. Can I have my very own charmed Cole Leo and coop?
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Post by noblesol on Aug 13, 2024 3:55:49 GMT -5
The issue with "investing" in men and women's volleyball and baseball is that (at least right now) is that you're pretty much capped in terms of return value by the size of your arena. There's no TV money or tournament money or anything like that. Men's and Women's Vball are already at 70% capacity, and baseball is at like 75% capacity. Let's say college factual is right and the program brings in about a million dollars. Let's assume you sell out every game and can afford to raise prices a little--you're still looking at 1.5M. So let's say you fire Robyn and bring in a "big name" coach, there goes the extra budget right there. Stats: 'tickets sold' season attendance %capacity for Hawaii indoor VB, football, & baseball; avg. tickets sold per event: 2023-2024 - WVB: 60.01%; 6,181 avg./match - MVB: 61.13%; 6,297 - Football: 75.01%; 11,251 (Ching capacity expanded to 15,000) - Baseball: 80.61%; 3,476 2022-2023 - WVB: 57.90%; 5,963 - MVB: 64.58%; 6,652 - Football: 102.33%; 9,210 (seven games in Ching, max capacity 9,000). - Baseball: 74.71%; 3,222 2021-2022 - WVB: 8.15%; 840 (covid impacted, possibly showing up in the current College Factual posting) - MVB: 39.32%; 4,050 (covid impacted) - Football: 25.58%; 2,302 (covid impacted, six games in Ching, max capacity 9,000) - Baseball: 47.04%; 2,028 (covid impacted) 2020-2021 - WVB: BWC cancelled, covid - MVB: played, but no fans allowed - Football: played five games, but no fans - Baseball: played, no fans 2019-2020 - WVB: 64.90%; 6,684 - MVB: 50.81%; 5,233 - Football: 46.91%; 23,454 (Aloha Stadium) - Baseball: 66.49; 2,827 2018-2019: - WVB: 53.42%; 5,502 - MVB: 50.58%; 5,210 - Football: 51.36%; 25,682 - Baseball: 63.44%; 2,735 see 'misc. reports' tab, attendance, at stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
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Post by noblesol on Aug 13, 2024 7:16:37 GMT -5
What 'investing' in WVB might look like:
WVB season ticket prices haven't gone up from what they were in 2020, the canceled season. Just to keep up with inflation, a lower bowl season ticket should have gone up around 20% going into the 2024 season. Assuming there are ~ 2,000 lower bowl season tickets, selling for about $50 more each to keep up with inflation for the past four years, that would be an additional $100k. Which is likely enough to hire a recruiting assistant with some promotional duties. Raising prices to keep up with inflation on the other 4,000 fans that regularly attend, another ~ $100K easily. Which could cover additional recruiting expenses. Start putting together back-to-back Sweet 16 appearances, WVB could get another 5% of arena %capacity tacked on annually, and probably convert many general admissions and upper bowl season tickets to lower bowl season tickets. Let's say ~ 500 more lower bowl season tickets yielding an extra $150 in contributions per seat, now that's another $75k. Now raise %capacity utilization about 5% — that adds about five hundred tickets more per match, at an average of ~ $18 per ticket for another $9k per match. If they play sixteen home matches that's another $144k.
Summary: invest in an assistant for recruiting and promotion. Bring in a big recruit/transfer or two, market, and raise ticket prices about 20% to keep up with the last four years of inflation. Get to the Sweet Sixteen, do it back-to-back. Increase capacity utilization by another 5%.
Do all the above, the program rakes in another $400K to $450K per year. And then contributions to the UH Foundation specified for use by WVB will increase, at least by thousands, and tens of thousands possible. Those are granular, lumpy, big some years and small others. But on average they'd pick up as well.
And, negotiate a better media deal. Spectrum, would love to see them have to compete and kick in more. Would like to see an end to geo blocking of broadcasts and excluding of competitors from carrying their broadcasts live. If the broadcaster is going to do those things, the University should get ample compensation for it.
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