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Post by brooselee on Oct 14, 2024 19:03:56 GMT -5
Unlike other sports, I don't think we have a lot of rich volleyball boosters who can threaten to with hold donations to the AD if the coach is fired. I agree it's just not going to happen. If you look at the AVCA Top 25, it's almost all P4 schools right now. Creighton (Big East) is probably closer to being P4 than most of the Western Conferences. I also agree that this season was lost in the off-season when we couldn't get any replacement recruits for the people we were losing. But there's no point in arguing that again right now. We're in the middle of the season and I think all we can do is cheer/hope the girls improve at this point. We can litigate this again in the off-season/next recruiting period. This team is only one good transfer from being very good. Imagine if Paula stayed. Or we got Trinity Sheridan. Or we got Iane Henke. Or even if we got Malinah or Chalei to enroll early. We would still be young but depth would not be such a big deal and maybe there would he enough competition to push the starters to play better. Right now, we have no depth and this could lead to fatigue down the stretch . I think UH was hit with a sting of bad luck recruiting wise leading up to the season and couldn’t recover. Wouldn’t be surprised if Robyn even asked some of the beach players if they wanted to cross over and no takers. Chalei and Makena Biondi will take two scholarships. I’m guessing Robyn will hold one or two for transfers who will bite next season. Question is the status of Purcell-Telefoni. One year away from college will set her back but I think she has enough raw talent that Robyn will welcome her back if she choses to come back. She is a project anyway so she is someone for down the road. |
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Post by brooselee on Oct 14, 2024 19:19:07 GMT -5
I just think it’s wild that people are so oblivious to the ins and outs it takes to running a successful program. At the end of the day, coaches can prepare but players NEED to execute, and I really think fans need to understand that outside maybe a University in Alaska, committing to and moving to Hawaii is the biggest change of life that a mainland recruit can experience. It’s not for the faint of heart or for wishy washy players and I can see the program not wanting to invest in anyone wishy washy. Nebraska is having a solid season with only 14 on the roster, only thing is, the caliber of that 14 is incredible. However they have literally zero depth at opposite and don’t do even remotely comparable amounts of getting non regular starters on the floor. Unfortunately for Hawaii, their depth is in all the positions they don’t need it as desperately. Setter, Libero, and Middle are mostly locks. But the pin depth is definitely hurting right now because Hakas is not Merrit Beason and Stella is not Harper Murray. Anyone who knows this game understands that multiple pin production has a lot to do with how your offense works to win you games. Right now it’s the Caylen Show without a quality supporting cast. As others have said, it is what it is. That’s not on the coaching staff, you can’t force recruits into Hawaii and no one here has a first hand account of how the staff recruits. The ONLY thing I can put on the coaching staff is recruiting. They cant force recruits, but ive spoken to multiple club coaches/connected people, and they all say the Hawaii staff needs personality lol. They said kaleo is ok, but thats about it. No one is mean, robyn is VERY respected, but they just dont connect well with everyone. They said Ang was good. We just need that personality hire, and a BLOCKING/hitting coach on the team I’m not doubting you regarding what recruits say but to me, the personality of the HC should not be such a deal breaker. The recruits need to understand that the HC have to make tough decisions base on what is best foe the team. The HC should not be viewed as your “friend “. They may need to chew you out and be in your face to get the most out of you. Robyn also said in the past that the coaches will be 100% genuine all the time. They will not throw love at you during recruiting and then when you commit, they will be in your face. They will be up front and honest from the get go so there will be no misunderstanding later. What you see is what you will get. None of that be all flowery to make you commit and then turn into a hard nosed coach later. It’s your teammates that you will spend most the time with and the players should be the deal breaker/makers. Maybe the players are not making the recruits feel like they belong more than the recruits worrying about the coaches personality. Maybe when the recruits are here for a visit, no players are around . Everyone would rather be with BF or BBF. I know with the football team and the basketball team, the recruits always say that the current players are the one that sway their decisions. They want to be part of a team and the returners make them feel welcome .Maybe the UH volleyball players don’t have that player that can make the recruits feel like this is where they want to be. I dunno. I’m just guessing. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 14, 2024 19:57:11 GMT -5
The ONLY thing I can put on the coaching staff is recruiting. They cant force recruits, but ive spoken to multiple club coaches/connected people, and they all say the Hawaii staff needs personality lol. They said kaleo is ok, but thats about it. No one is mean, robyn is VERY respected, but they just dont connect well with everyone. They said Ang was good. We just need that personality hire, and a BLOCKING/hitting coach on the team I’m not doubting you regarding what recruits say but to me, the personality of the HC should not be such a deal breaker. The recruits need to understand that the HC have to make tough decisions base on what is best foe the team. The HC should not be viewed as your “friend “. They may need to chew you out and be in your face to get the most out of you. Robyn also said in the past that the coaches will be 100% genuine all the time. They will not throw love at you during recruiting and then when you commit, they will be in your face. They will be up front and honest from the get go so there will be no misunderstanding later. What you see is what you will get. None of that be all flowery to make you commit and then turn into a hard nosed coach later. It’s your teammates that you will spend most the time with and the players should be the deal breaker/makers. Maybe the players are not making the recruits feel like they belong more than the recruits worrying about the coaches personality. Maybe when the recruits are here for a visit, no players are around . Everyone would rather be with BF or BBF. I know with the football team and the basketball team, the recruits always say that the current players are the one that sway their decisions. They want to be part of a team and the returners make them feel welcome .Maybe the UH volleyball players don’t have that player that can make the recruits feel like this is where they want to be. I dunno. I’m just guessing. These are club coaches Which is just as important because you want club coaches to recommend the program, fight for the program They don’t hate Hawai’i, at all. They just don’t resonate with them a lot. I know prominent club recruiters/coaches and steer their recruits away from certain programs That won’t happen with us, but we want the recommendation I think my main is we need an Angelica A hitting and blocking coach That and I think we’ll do so much better |
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Post by rainbowcard on Oct 14, 2024 19:58:19 GMT -5
The ONLY thing I can put on the coaching staff is recruiting. They cant force recruits, but ive spoken to multiple club coaches/connected people, and they all say the Hawaii staff needs personality lol. They said kaleo is ok, but thats about it. No one is mean, robyn is VERY respected, but they just dont connect well with everyone. They said Ang was good. We just need that personality hire, and a BLOCKING/hitting coach on the team I’m not doubting you regarding what recruits say but to me, the personality of the HC should not be such a deal breaker. The recruits need to understand that the HC have to make tough decisions base on what is best foe the team. The HC should not be viewed as your “friend “. They may need to chew you out and be in your face to get the most out of you. Robyn also said in the past that the coaches will be 100% genuine all the time. They will not throw love at you during recruiting and then when you commit, they will be in your face. They will be up front and honest from the get go so there will be no misunderstanding later. What you see is what you will get. None of that be all flowery to make you commit and then turn into a hard nosed coach later. It’s your teammates that you will spend most the time with and the players should be the deal breaker/makers. Maybe the players are not making the recruits feel like they belong more than the recruits worrying about the coaches personality. Maybe when the recruits are here for a visit, no players are around . Everyone would rather be with BF or BBF. I know with the football team and the basketball team, the recruits always say that the current players are the one that sway their decisions. They want to be part of a team and the returners make them feel welcome .Maybe the UH volleyball players don’t have that player that can make the recruits feel like this is where they want to be. I dunno. I’m just guessing. I feel like that was the case for Leoniak but also her on court attitude just didn't seem right, she only really was always posting photos with the other girl that transfered. I don't think it was the case for Paula she still comments on the Hawaii teammates posts and seemed to be friendly with all of them, BUT I do see her post a ton more with her Miami teammates and she didn't use TikTok at all during UH and now posting a ton of TikToks with her current teammates, tbh most teams have a lot more girls, and more people to spend time with but doesn't mean the girls at the UH team are not friendly or do things with the other teammates though I do think they have their groups. I do wish we had more players, but it is what it is. I don't blame RAM for how the girls are playing, though I do fault her staff for the lack of recruiting - Hawaii should be able to recruit decent players even when competing with top 25 teams, we should also be able to retain more walk-ons from our local stars too, at least the ones that show interest to stay home. To be honest, what would hurt the team to have 3-4 DS (walk-ons even) that are from Hawaii, we have good defensive players that may not be recruited elsewhere, better than literally 2 lib/DS on the roster like this season. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 14, 2024 20:19:28 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are calling for Ah Mow's head- this is just the current landscape for womens volleyball. The men's team was in almost the exact situation last season when Chakas went down and they lost to teams they weren't "supposed" to, yet people aren't calling for Charlie Wade's head.
Hawaii doesnt have the luxury of getting those five star recruits who are AA-level as soon as they come in; they never really have. We had a few here and there like Danielson, Kamanao, Ljunquist, but even those players improved with Hawaii's coaching. The majority of Hawaii's AAs were lesser-recruited players who developed into the AA-level players after a few years (think Igiede, Hartong, Duggins, Goods and so many more).
This is going to be more of an issue with NIL deals and not being able to compete. Ah Mow is doing what Shoji did: she gets athletes she thinks she can train into AAs. I think she is a great coach that does a good job of developing talent. Unfortunately, a lot of the talent left because of the COVID, portal, NIL, etc.
Last year we would have had Hellvig headlining the team. This year we could have had Johnson and DeGoode. Hawaii with those players who could contributed early on, and factoring in the normal improvement under this coaching staff, would be comfortably in the top 25 if not maybe even the top 10. Do we really want to trash the whole program because of some players who left early?
Seriously, some of the "fans" on here are just plain dumb with some of the critiques of the team and coaches.
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Post by brooselee on Oct 14, 2024 21:05:50 GMT -5
I’m not doubting you regarding what recruits say but to me, the personality of the HC should not be such a deal breaker. The recruits need to understand that the HC have to make tough decisions base on what is best foe the team. The HC should not be viewed as your “friend “. They may need to chew you out and be in your face to get the most out of you. Robyn also said in the past that the coaches will be 100% genuine all the time. They will not throw love at you during recruiting and then when you commit, they will be in your face. They will be up front and honest from the get go so there will be no misunderstanding later. What you see is what you will get. None of that be all flowery to make you commit and then turn into a hard nosed coach later. It’s your teammates that you will spend most the time with and the players should be the deal breaker/makers. Maybe the players are not making the recruits feel like they belong more than the recruits worrying about the coaches personality. Maybe when the recruits are here for a visit, no players are around . Everyone would rather be with BF or BBF. I know with the football team and the basketball team, the recruits always say that the current players are the one that sway their decisions. They want to be part of a team and the returners make them feel welcome .Maybe the UH volleyball players don’t have that player that can make the recruits feel like this is where they want to be. I dunno. I’m just guessing. I feel like that was the case for Leoniak but also her on court attitude just didn't seem right, she only really was always posting photos with the other girl that transfered. I don't think it was the case for Paula she still comments on the Hawaii teammates posts and seemed to be friendly with all of them, BUT I do see her post a ton more with her Miami teammates and she didn't use TikTok at all during UH and now posting a ton of TikToks with her current teammates, tbh most teams have a lot more girls, and more people to spend time with but doesn't mean the girls at the UH team are not friendly or do things with the other teammates though I do think they have their groups. I do wish we had more players, but it is what it is. I don't blame RAM for how the girls are playing, though I do fault her staff for the lack of recruiting - Hawaii should be able to recruit decent players even when competing with top 25 teams, we should also be able to retain more walk-ons from our local stars too, at least the ones that show interest to stay home. To be honest, what would hurt the team to have 3-4 DS (walk-ons even) that are from Hawaii, we have good defensive players that may not be recruited elsewhere, better than literally 2 lib/DS on the roster like this season. Regarding Paula.....it's hard to make anything out of her first year here and her current situation in Miami. Maybe the current roster in Miami have a lot of single girls so they all hung out. Last season with UH, they were senior dominant and each one had their own future to look forward to. Amber with NT tryouts. Kennedi was not the TOK TOK party type. Riley had a BF and so did Kate and Tayli. Talia's mom moved here and Talia also had a job. Kendra was in graduate school and was interning. There were really only Tali, Stella, Caylen and Jacyn to hang with. The last three are tight. Homesickness was probably in play for Paula |
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Post by kb808 on Oct 14, 2024 22:36:31 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are calling for Ah Mow's head- this is just the current landscape for womens volleyball. The men's team was in almost the exact situation last season when Chakas went down and they lost to teams they weren't "supposed" to, yet people aren't calling for Charlie Wade's head. Hawaii doesnt have the luxury of getting those five star recruits who are AA-level as soon as they come in; they never really have. We had a few here and there like Danielson, Kamanao, Ljunquist, but even those players improved with Hawaii's coaching. The majority of Hawaii's AAs were lesser-recruited players who developed into the AA-level players after a few years (think Igiede, Hartong, Duggins, Goods and so many more). This is going to be more of an issue with NIL deals and not being able to compete. Ah Mow is doing what Shoji did: she gets athletes she thinks she can train into AAs. I think she is a great coach that does a good job of developing talent. Unfortunately, a lot of the talent left because of the COVID, portal, NIL, etc. Last year we would have had Hellvig headlining the team. This year we could have had Johnson and DeGoode. Hawaii with those players who could contributed early on, and factoring in the normal improvement under this coaching staff, would be comfortably in the top 25 if not maybe even the top 10. Do we really want to trash the whole program because of some players who left early? Seriously, some of the "fans" on here are just plain dumb with some of the critiques of the team and coaches. You can’t be serious.. Wade has produced National Championships.. Ah Mow has barely produced a top 25 team! |
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Post by bowtime on Oct 15, 2024 0:30:28 GMT -5
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 15, 2024 0:31:10 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are calling for Ah Mow's head- this is just the current landscape for womens volleyball. The men's team was in almost the exact situation last season when Chakas went down and they lost to teams they weren't "supposed" to, yet people aren't calling for Charlie Wade's head. Hawaii doesnt have the luxury of getting those five star recruits who are AA-level as soon as they come in; they never really have. We had a few here and there like Danielson, Kamanao, Ljunquist, but even those players improved with Hawaii's coaching. The majority of Hawaii's AAs were lesser-recruited players who developed into the AA-level players after a few years (think Igiede, Hartong, Duggins, Goods and so many more). This is going to be more of an issue with NIL deals and not being able to compete. Ah Mow is doing what Shoji did: she gets athletes she thinks she can train into AAs. I think she is a great coach that does a good job of developing talent. Unfortunately, a lot of the talent left because of the COVID, portal, NIL, etc. Last year we would have had Hellvig headlining the team. This year we could have had Johnson and DeGoode. Hawaii with those players who could contributed early on, and factoring in the normal improvement under this coaching staff, would be comfortably in the top 25 if not maybe even the top 10. Do we really want to trash the whole program because of some players who left early? Seriously, some of the "fans" on here are just plain dumb with some of the critiques of the team and coaches. You can’t be serious.. Wade has produced National Championships.. Ah Mow has barely produced a top 25 team! to be fair, the men and women play in vastly different big west conferences for their respective sports ... |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 15, 2024 0:53:48 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are calling for Ah Mow's head- this is just the current landscape for womens volleyball. The men's team was in almost the exact situation last season when Chakas went down and they lost to teams they weren't "supposed" to, yet people aren't calling for Charlie Wade's head. Hawaii doesnt have the luxury of getting those five star recruits who are AA-level as soon as they come in; they never really have. We had a few here and there like Danielson, Kamanao, Ljunquist, but even those players improved with Hawaii's coaching. The majority of Hawaii's AAs were lesser-recruited players who developed into the AA-level players after a few years (think Igiede, Hartong, Duggins, Goods and so many more). This is going to be more of an issue with NIL deals and not being able to compete. Ah Mow is doing what Shoji did: she gets athletes she thinks she can train into AAs. I think she is a great coach that does a good job of developing talent. Unfortunately, a lot of the talent left because of the COVID, portal, NIL, etc. Last year we would have had Hellvig headlining the team. This year we could have had Johnson and DeGoode. Hawaii with those players who could contributed early on, and factoring in the normal improvement under this coaching staff, would be comfortably in the top 25 if not maybe even the top 10. Do we really want to trash the whole program because of some players who left early? Seriously, some of the "fans" on here are just plain dumb with some of the critiques of the team and coaches. You can’t be serious.. Wade has produced National Championships.. Ah Mow has barely produced a top 25 team! You can’t be serious if you don’t understand how different the mens and women’s volleyball landscape is. Charlie wasn’t winning National Championships at Pacific, was he? |
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Post by noblesol on Oct 15, 2024 1:23:22 GMT -5
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Post by VT Karen on Oct 15, 2024 1:29:22 GMT -5
I think it's a great deal and that it will bring some stability to Hawaii's sports. Hopefully the savings the athletic department gets from not having to pay travel subsidies will be put to good use. |
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Post by VT Karen on Oct 15, 2024 1:42:35 GMT -5
I will focus on this season for now. I continue to be intrigued by the Hakas versus Adeyemi on the left side decision. On average, Stella is a less efficient attacker than Tali (0.144 vs 0.162), and that's with Tali handicapped hitting on her less favored right side. Stella is also a bigger service target (again, relative to Tali... not defending her disappointing passing numbers here). But Stella had more stellar hitting games - e.g., 11 kills and 0.500 versus Texas, her first weekend with 22 kills and 0.286 versus SMU and San Diego. Is this the coaching staff's saying Makes me they still believe Stella's breakout season (that we all wish for) may still be in the cards? I hope Kate and the team can give Stella more confidence. And if you stick with Stella on the left, can we please try someone else on the right front, while using Tali as a DS? Mane, Way, Arquette... Or maybe Tali will finally get the timing on the right. These two girls will determine where the Wahine will end the year, I think. I think the staff would be more apt to move Tali to the left is there was someone who could do anything on the opposite. Tyla and Adrianna haven't shown that they are capable of doing much at opposite. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 15, 2024 1:58:23 GMT -5
I don't understand why people are calling for Ah Mow's head- this is just the current landscape for womens volleyball. The men's team was in almost the exact situation last season when Chakas went down and they lost to teams they weren't "supposed" to, yet people aren't calling for Charlie Wade's head. Hawaii doesnt have the luxury of getting those five star recruits who are AA-level as soon as they come in; they never really have. We had a few here and there like Danielson, Kamanao, Ljunquist, but even those players improved with Hawaii's coaching. The majority of Hawaii's AAs were lesser-recruited players who developed into the AA-level players after a few years (think Igiede, Hartong, Duggins, Goods and so many more). This is going to be more of an issue with NIL deals and not being able to compete. Ah Mow is doing what Shoji did: she gets athletes she thinks she can train into AAs. I think she is a great coach that does a good job of developing talent. Unfortunately, a lot of the talent left because of the COVID, portal, NIL, etc. Last year we would have had Hellvig headlining the team. This year we could have had Johnson and DeGoode. Hawaii with those players who could contributed early on, and factoring in the normal improvement under this coaching staff, would be comfortably in the top 25 if not maybe even the top 10. Do we really want to trash the whole program because of some players who left early? Seriously, some of the "fans" on here are just plain dumb with some of the critiques of the team and coaches. You can’t be serious.. Wade has produced National Championships.. Ah Mow has barely produced a top 25 team! Recruiting is not as big of an issue in the men's game so there is no lack of athletic players with room for growth. On the women's side with like 10x the programs the pool is much more diluted and there is a clear difference in the athletes on the championship teams and the second tier teams. Both coaches excel at knowing what they have, developing players and piecing together teams. They are really very similar types of coaches going for lesser known recruits or going international (vs the "name" programs who can essentially draft a championship team domestically.) With their recent success on the men's side Hawaii has become one of those elite programs, but all I'm saying is the Wahine could be in the same boat if not for some untimely injuries and departures- they have not had the payoff years that they probably could have, it wasn't due to loss of interest, not developing players or bad coaching. If Rasmussen didn't get injured mid-season or returned for her senior year, if Hellvig hadn't turned pro, if some of the underclassmen had stayed around to develop instead of having to depend on transfers to fill gaps in the lineup this would be a very different program right now. You have to cut the coach some slack, these aren't things you can really plan for. |
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Post by rainbowcard on Oct 15, 2024 2:05:29 GMT -5
I will focus on this season for now. I continue to be intrigued by the Hakas versus Adeyemi on the left side decision. On average, Stella is a less efficient attacker than Tali (0.144 vs 0.162), and that's with Tali handicapped hitting on her less favored right side. Stella is also a bigger service target (again, relative to Tali... not defending her disappointing passing numbers here). But Stella had more stellar hitting games - e.g., 11 kills and 0.500 versus Texas, her first weekend with 22 kills and 0.286 versus SMU and San Diego. Is this the coaching staff's saying Makes me they still believe Stella's breakout season (that we all wish for) may still be in the cards? I hope Kate and the team can give Stella more confidence. And if you stick with Stella on the left, can we please try someone else on the right front, while using Tali as a DS? Mane, Way, Arquette... Or maybe Tali will finally get the timing on the right. These two girls will determine where the Wahine will end the year, I think. I think the staff would be more apt to move Tali to the left is there was someone who could so anything on the opposite. Tyla and Adrianna haven't shown that they are capable of doing much at opposite. Yeah I don’t think Adrianna should be used at opp, I just don’t think she’s ready at a hitter and if she’s going to be our setter and not get into matches setting she should at least get some time serving I actually think her serve is pretty good! I’d like to see Maddie at opp, unless we can use Makena next season there she’s like 6’5”, but from the videos I saw can’t see her starting in the middle, lots of players to move around next season for the opp, but terminal ones…. We’ll have to see. |
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