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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 23, 2024 7:23:09 GMT -5
Sorry for the longass post, but i just wanted to share my view on the current state of the program.
The coaching staff has made the right moves minus being able to keep all the players it recruits.
That is why it pisses me off when people trash the players and coaches. If not for some unfortunate transfers and injuries this could have been a payoff year.
If you are a real Hawaii fan the last thing you want is to give these players with potential a reason to leave- because some idiot on a message board keeps talking crap about you or your coaches.
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Post by iniesta on Oct 23, 2024 9:10:12 GMT -5
What will it take before Hawaii finds a new coach. I don't have time to find a new program worthy of following. Go away forever then 
I've been here seven years longer than you, try not to crybaby sets so often.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 23, 2024 9:19:52 GMT -5
Given we have much of this season to go, I hope our current team doesn't lose a whole lot to the transfer portal. We have very few pieces in a small roster, but enough of a core to have a much more consistent year next year if everyone returns and we can add some point scorers from the portal along with our recruits coming in. The hard part is even a Guersching remained until the end the Spring semester and that messed up a lot for our depth. A lot can change even after the Fall portal closes... I don’t think Alexander will stick around for her senior year. Her best bet is to transfer to a top program. There are so many top notch OH graduating this year that Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, Texas or Louisville would be a great fit for her. Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. |
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Post by iniesta on Oct 23, 2024 9:24:51 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexander will stick around for her senior year. Her best bet is to transfer to a top program. There are so many top notch OH graduating this year that Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, Texas or Louisville would be a great fit for her. Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread.
We should consider what's best for her before the program.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 23, 2024 9:29:54 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. We should consider what's best for her before the program.
The program helped mold her into the player she is today. All those other schools had a chance to recruit Caylen out of high school like Hawaii did. |
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Post by staticb on Oct 23, 2024 10:24:25 GMT -5
Caylen (I believe) was our last top 50 recruit---it does go to show recruiting talent does matter. The odds of you developing into an all-American aren't automatic--but the chances are a bit higher.
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Post by iniesta on Oct 23, 2024 10:32:15 GMT -5
We should consider what's best for her before the program.
The program helped mold her into the player she is today. All those other schools had a chance to recruit Caylen out of high school like Hawaii did. If it's still mutually beneficial for her then I'm sure she'll stay, otherwise she shouldn't feel obligated. |
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Post by kaipono on Oct 23, 2024 10:57:43 GMT -5
Caylen (I believe) was our last top 50 recruit---it does go to show recruiting talent does matter. The odds of you developing into an all-American aren't automatic--but the chances are a bit higher. I’m not sure if Caylen was a top 50 recruit. I think she was UA All-American 3rd team player? But I don’t think she was a top 50. On the other hand, I believe Adeyemi was a top 50 recruit (or maybe in the 50s). |
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Post by staticb on Oct 23, 2024 11:09:53 GMT -5
Caylen (I believe) was our last top 50 recruit---it does go to show recruiting talent does matter. The odds of you developing into an all-American aren't automatic--but the chances are a bit higher. I’m not sure if Caylen was a top 50 recruit. I think she was UA All-American 3rd team player? But I don’t think she was a top 50. On the other hand, I believe Adeyemi was a top 50 recruit (or maybe in the 50s). I thought I remember seeing her at #46 or something. But there are so many lists these days... |
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 23, 2024 11:33:42 GMT -5
Go away forever then
I've been here seven years longer than you, try not to crybaby sets so often.
Putin, Netanyahu, and other horrible people in this world have also been around longer than me… |
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Post by rainbowcard on Oct 23, 2024 12:22:14 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexander will stick around for her senior year. Her best bet is to transfer to a top program. There are so many top notch OH graduating this year that Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, Texas or Louisville would be a great fit for her. When I first read this i thought it was just trolling, but it does draw light on an interesting phenomenon created by the transfer portal. Suddenly transferring is a whole lot easier. Coupled with a generation raised with Netflix and Youtube that expects immediate gratification, this could be a great handicap to the development of better players in NCAA volleyball. We have seen a lot of growth from Lang even as a four year starter (her decision making, poise and leadership) and Alexander (especially this year with her shot selection, conditioning and comsistency). They are not perfect, but have become better players since coming in. This made me want to look back on 2021's freshman class: Leoniak- starter as freshman, fantastic backrow player being dig leader in many matches; bad frontrow- lots of errors and low pct, especially for someone 6'5" De Goede- part time starter, showed glimpses of being a game changer with ability to impact in the backrow and the net; struggled with consistency and more importantly injuries Johnson- part time starter, great attacker, showed flashes of being a go-to before transferring Kiraly- part time starter, good attacker and blocker; consistency issues and had health issues Dimirtas- arrived late, didn't see any action; huge upside being a 6'5" opp. So we had three potential senior opposites, (four if you count Kiraly, but i didnt): one stayed but struggled with injuries, but two took advantage of the transfer portal. Add to that Johnson who would have been a perfect compliment to Alexander this season. I can't help but think if the three transfers had stayed and developed like Lang and Alexander we may have a very different team right now. I am assuming Dimiritas transferred due to playing time. Leoniak maybe also playing time (being benched a few times durring the season) but more than likely due to Hawaii being a bad fit. Johnson was a tough one, because that was an effort to be closer to home- always will be an issue here. Anyway, I think it's ironic, because I think most of these players choose their schools based on hopes of eventually being recognized as an elite player. Either they believe they are already that elite player and need recognition (reason for choosing a P5/top10 school), or they choose the school they think will develop them into that top player (which Hawaii has shown it can do). For players like Igiede and Alexander (at this point), I find it hard to imagine them transferring, especially from a school that developed them AND got them national recognition, but i guess there are always other reasons it could happen. Hopefully the coaching staff is prepared to hear any potential reasons and overcome them because it is making me look forward to 2025 to think the kind of player Caylen Alexander could be her senior year. On a side note: this could have been a pretty damn good team if it weren't for the transfer portal- we would definitely fill that big question mark at opp along with the currently glaring inability to stop a dominant LS attack. The backrow play would also be a hell of a lot more consistent just with Leoniak, although they have shown a lot of upside. It's sad to think that the method Hawaii has used for so long in volleyball might become a thing of the past because of the transfer portal. Dimirtas Redshirted at Hawaii, and no offense to her she’s in her redshirt junior year and isn’t good at Tulane. Johnson quit volleyball before her senior year at A&M and is now a bodybuilder, she left Hawaii to be in Texas. De Goede just wanted to play and went pro. I feel the only one that would have been decent in the big west was Leoniak, but her on court demeanor / attitude did not seem right, she doesn’t even start much at NC state now, think she’s had a lot of recent injuries. Caylen is a star at Hawaii, gets invited to USAV training camps, gets ncaa social media attention, etc the only thing that Hawaii can’t offer is bigger NIL deals, RAM has mentioned that Caylen didn’t even want to play pro after college but RAM said she’s good enough to and encouraged her to keep doing it she can. I would hope she stays to experience senior night at UH but if she left I could see Florida going after her, recruiting staff already follow her and she may have been in talks with them going into college. Whatever she decides I will watch her play and root her on because she’s great! |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 23, 2024 12:27:59 GMT -5
the biggest hurt was Covid
IMO, Jolie and Hannah both of returned, and the snowball would of been good
2021 would of been a strong year
leading to better recruits in 2022-2023 etc.
As others said, covid really really hurt the wahine more so than any other program IMO
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 12:28:06 GMT -5
I don’t think Alexander will stick around for her senior year. Her best bet is to transfer to a top program. There are so many top notch OH graduating this year that Penn State, Wisconsin, USC, Texas or Louisville would be a great fit for her. Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 23, 2024 12:30:02 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. If Caylen leaves on her own accord, will support her (will regardless), But if teams do shady %*$# and contact her before she even enters the portal, thats what will annoy me, and some of those teams are KNOWN to do that |
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 12:40:47 GMT -5
Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. If Caylen leaves on her own accord, will support her (will regardless), But if teams do shady %*$# and contact her before she even enters the portal, thats what will annoy me, and some of those teams are KNOWN to do that Nothing shady about there intent to welcome a player in there program if players from that team talk to her...Hawaii just cannot compete with other top tier conferences such as the Big 10. ACC and SEC anymore.. |
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