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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 23, 2024 12:51:02 GMT -5
If Caylen leaves on her own accord, will support her (will regardless), But if teams do shady %*$# and contact her before she even enters the portal, thats what will annoy me, and some of those teams are KNOWN to do that Nothing shady about there intent to welcome a player in there program if players from that team talk to her...Hawaii just cannot compete with other top tier conferences such as the Big 10. ACC and SEC anymore.. It is ABSOLUTELY shady to talk to a player without their name in the portal. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 23, 2024 13:05:01 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. Hawaii is on a bit of a losing streak sitting at third, but to say they are declining is a bit early. They beat #12 in the country who is legit based on their wins over near-consensus top two teams in the country. By your logic you could say pretty much every top program in the country is declining including Pitt, Nebraska and Texas- all of them have lost to teams you wouldn't expect them to. At this point I think transferring could hurt Alexander more than help. Even with their success I don't see much being said about individual SMU players other than "wow ___ really went off in that match". You definitely don't usually see much growth in one and done seniors. Caylen Alexander has made huge strides as a player from her freshman year until now. I'm sure you can attribute the majority of that to her work ethic and athleticism, but i think you have to give some credit to this program- even with all the tools as a player they need the right environment to develop in. She will be a superstar senior for Hawaii and already is in the national spotlight. She will be a pro if she chooses and see plenty of competition. The only thing she stands to gain by transferring is to to possibly finish higher on the AA list and go further in the postseason (and even that isn't guaranteed), but she will lose the coaching that got her to this point, the teammates and fans that have supported her, and possibly even be thrust out of the spotlight as we have seen power five programs relegate potential superstar players to the bench for whatever reason and nobody improves their future prospects by sitting on the bench. Name one current NCAAA player that has had this kind of growth in the last two years. I honestly can't think of one right now. |
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Post by iniesta on Oct 23, 2024 13:10:50 GMT -5
I've been here seven years longer than you, try not to crybaby sets so often.
Putin, Netanyahu, and other horrible people in this world have also been around longer than me…
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Post by babybacksets on Oct 23, 2024 13:26:56 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. I swear it’s just cockroach season and all of you are swarming the Hawaii threads. |
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 13:29:49 GMT -5
Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. Hawaii is on a bit of a losing streak sitting at third, but to say they are declining is a bit early. They beat #12 in the country who is legit based on their wins over near-consensus top two teams in the country. By your logic you could say pretty much every top program in the country is declining including Pitt, Nebraska and Texas- all of them have lost to teams you wouldn't expect them to. At this point I think transferring could hurt Alexander more than help. Even with their success I don't see much being said about individual SMU players other than "wow ___ really went off in that match". You definitely don't usually see much growth in one and done seniors. Caylen Alexander has made huge strides as a player from her freshman year until now. I'm sure you can attribute the majority of that to her work ethic and athleticism, but i think you have to give some credit to this program- even with all the tools as a player they need the right environment to develop in. She will be a superstar senior for Hawaii and already is in the national spotlight. She will be a pro if she chooses and see plenty of competition. The only thing she stands to gain by transferring is to to possibly finish higher on the AA list and go further in the postseason (and even that isn't guaranteed), but she will lose the coaching that got her to this point, the teammates and fans that have supported her, and possibly even be thrust out of the spotlight as we have seen power five programs relegate potential superstar players to the bench for whatever reason and nobody improves their future prospects by sitting on the bench. Name one current NCAAA player that has had this kind of growth in the last two years. I honestly can't think of one right now. A lot of top players in the country have made strides and became an all american.. some of them trasfered to be in a better team and have better NIL deals. Some became better with coaching.. If you need names I will give you a few... Jess Mzurik (penn State) sarah Franklin (WIsconsin) and melanie Para (TCU).. |
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 13:32:27 GMT -5
Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. Hawaii is on a bit of a losing streak sitting at third, but to say they are declining is a bit early. They beat #12 in the country who is legit based on their wins over near-consensus top two teams in the country. By your logic you could say pretty much every top program in the country is declining including Pitt, Nebraska and Texas- all of them have lost to teams you wouldn't expect them to. Are you seriously comparing this year instead of the past 5 years.. when i say decline I meant not just this season.. Fact is, Hawaii just cannot compete in recruiting with the elite conferences no matter how you spin this At this point I think transferring could hurt Alexander more than help. Even with their success I don't see much being said about individual SMU players other than "wow ___ really went off in that match". You definitely don't usually see much growth in one and done seniors. Caylen Alexander has made huge strides as a player from her freshman year until now. I'm sure you can attribute the majority of that to her work ethic and athleticism, but i think you have to give some credit to this program- even with all the tools as a player they need the right environment to develop in. She will be a superstar senior for Hawaii and already is in the national spotlight. She will be a pro if she chooses and see plenty of competition. The only thing she stands to gain by transferring is to to possibly finish higher on the AA list and go further in the postseason (and even that isn't guaranteed), but she will lose the coaching that got her to this point, the teammates and fans that have supported her, and possibly even be thrust out of the spotlight as we have seen power five programs relegate potential superstar players to the bench for whatever reason and nobody improves their future prospects by sitting on the bench. Name one current NCAAA player that has had this kind of growth in the last two years. I honestly can't think of one right now. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 23, 2024 13:32:59 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. There is a chance that ANY player can transfer. YOU don't know what Caylen wants. I'm not going to let others come on Hawai'i threads and spoil our conversation with their "beliefs." Get off of our thread before I ban you for a week. Anybody else that comes on to Hawai'i threads to talk about where they think Caylen should go will be banned. This is your first and only warning. |
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Post by VT Five-0 on Oct 23, 2024 14:13:19 GMT -5
If Caylen leaves on her own accord, will support her (will regardless), But if teams do shady %*$# and contact her before she even enters the portal, thats what will annoy me, and some of those teams are KNOWN to do that Nothing shady about there intent to welcome a player in there program if players from that team talk to her...Hawaii just cannot compete with other top tier conferences such as the Big 10. ACC and SEC anymore.. They could have welcomed her into their programs 3 years ago. They didn't, Hawai'i did and Caylen is the player she is today because of it. Caylen is a Rainbow Wahine and has been throughout her collegiate career. What's available next year at other programs in irrelevant to this Hawai'i thread. And before anyone forgets, VolleyTalk was created by Hawai'i fans and is moderated by Hawai'i fans. Ya'll better watch what you say about our players and our program. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 23, 2024 14:29:38 GMT -5
Hawaii is on a bit of a losing streak sitting at third, but to say they are declining is a bit early. They beat #12 in the country who is legit based on their wins over near-consensus top two teams in the country. By your logic you could say pretty much every top program in the country is declining including Pitt, Nebraska and Texas- all of them have lost to teams you wouldn't expect them to. At this point I think transferring could hurt Alexander more than help. Even with their success I don't see much being said about individual SMU players other than "wow ___ really went off in that match". You definitely don't usually see much growth in one and done seniors. Caylen Alexander has made huge strides as a player from her freshman year until now. I'm sure you can attribute the majority of that to her work ethic and athleticism, but i think you have to give some credit to this program- even with all the tools as a player they need the right environment to develop in. She will be a superstar senior for Hawaii and already is in the national spotlight. She will be a pro if she chooses and see plenty of competition. The only thing she stands to gain by transferring is to to possibly finish higher on the AA list and go further in the postseason (and even that isn't guaranteed), but she will lose the coaching that got her to this point, the teammates and fans that have supported her, and possibly even be thrust out of the spotlight as we have seen power five programs relegate potential superstar players to the bench for whatever reason and nobody improves their future prospects by sitting on the bench. Name one current NCAAA player that has had this kind of growth in the last two years. I honestly can't think of one right now. A lot of top players in the country have made strides and became an all american.. some of them trasfered to be in a better team and have better NIL deals. Some became better with coaching.. If you need names I will give you a few... Jess Mzurik (penn State) sarah Franklin (WIsconsin) and melanie Para (TCU).. Of course a lot of players have become AAs, nobody comes into college as an AA and most will only get it after a year or two. Mruzik came in as the #4 recruit, so I don't think her success was a surprise. You kind of expect the top 5 to make AA at some point and be 6 rotation pins. Para and Franklin were established starters as freshman at P5 schools and 6 rotation players who transferred in as juniors. In Para's case she went from P5 to midmajor. Had she stayed she probably wouldn't have been as much of a standout had she stayed. Alexander played 6 rotations as a freshman and was usually the 3rd or 4th option, with a lot of people questioning her ability to play backrow. Two years later she is putting up some Willoughby-like numbers in digs and kills while still with tye same program. To me that is still more growth. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Oct 23, 2024 14:36:30 GMT -5
It's easy to say that haves, haves, and have-nots don't have. But the truth is that without the self-directed creation of the power football conferences, there would never be a powerhouse Kansas, Wisconsin, Louisville, or Baylor. If you have been on this earth long enough when this collegiate sport was pure and equal, there were only a few schools that stood at the top. Once football money came trickling down to the non-revenue sports like volleyball, that's when things changed, with more money, newer schools could buy their way into prominence. Enter NIL, and the mentality of some schools to pour money into sports without much interference from its state leaders and you got what you get now. Hawai'i has always had a road to climb just to get support from some of its legislature. Some of them made it their mission to micro-manage everything UH does when it comes to spending and athletics. Even when UH has had third-party funders ready to spend, since it's a state institution, they are chained to the fence. So saying they are on a decline is not accurate, to most, they are achieving great things in the situation that they are under. When they move to the Mountain West, hopefully, more money will trickle into the athletic department instead of the state's general funds at present.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 23, 2024 14:40:06 GMT -5
A lot of top players in the country have made strides and became an all american.. some of them trasfered to be in a better team and have better NIL deals. Some became better with coaching.. If you need names I will give you a few... Jess Mzurik (penn State) sarah Franklin (WIsconsin) and melanie Para (TCU).. Of course a lot of players have become AAs, nobody comes into college as an AA and most will only get it after a year or two. Mruzik came in as the #4 recruit, so I don't think her success was a surprise. You kind of expect the top 5 to make AA at some point and be 6 rotation pins. Para and Franklin were established starters as freshman at P5 schools and 6 rotation players who transferred in as juniors. In Para's case she went from P5 to midmajor. Had she stayed she probably wouldn't have been as much of a standout had she stayed. Alexander played 6 rotations as a freshman and was usually the 3rd or 4th option, with a lot of people questioning her ability to play backrow. Two years later she is putting up some Willoughby-like numbers in digs and kills while still with tye same program. To me that is still more growth. That was absolutely ridiculous examples that tex used, I laughed. |
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 14:40:49 GMT -5
Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. There is a chance that ANY player can transfer. YOU don't know what Caylen wants. I'm not going to let others come on Hawai'i threads and spoil our conversation with their "beliefs." Get off of our thread before I ban you for a week. Anybody else that comes on to Hawai'i threads to talk about where they think Caylen should go will be banned. This is your first and only warning. You seriously think I care.. why do you get triggered so easily.. Is it the Hawaiian sun ?? Yall get your panties get wet when talking about reality and what if.. |
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Post by Psychopotamus on Oct 23, 2024 14:43:36 GMT -5
It's easy to say that haves, haves, and have-nots don't have. But the truth is that without the self-directed creation of the power football conferences, there would never be a powerhouse Kansas, Wisconsin, Louisville, or Baylor. If you have been on this earth long enough when this collegiate sport was pure and equal, there were only a few schools that stood at the top. Once football money came trickling down to the non-revenue sports like volleyball, that's when things changed, with more money, newer schools could buy their way into prominence. Enter NIL, and the mentality of some schools to pour money into sports without much interference from its state leaders and you got what you get now. Hawai'i has always had a road to climb just to get support from some of its legislature. Some of them made it their mission to micro-manage everything UH does when it comes to spending and athletics. Even when UH has had third-party funders ready to spend, since it's a state institution, they are chained to the fence. So saying they are on a decline is not accurate, to most, they are achieving great things in the situation that they are under. When they move to the Mountain West, hopefully, more money will trickle into the athletic department instead of the state's general funds at present. NIL is a funny thing, especially in women's volleyball. With its volleyball success and culture NIL should be leveraged to help volleyball compete with the P5 conferences, but the recent woes on the women's side probably prevent that which would only widen the chasm. Maybe someone should find out if Steve Case or Mark Zuckerburg are fans of college sports- Hawaii could use their help in getting more money for their marquee athletes. |
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Post by texmex1227 on Oct 23, 2024 14:46:52 GMT -5
Of course a lot of players have become AAs, nobody comes into college as an AA and most will only get it after a year or two. Mruzik came in as the #4 recruit, so I don't think her success was a surprise. You kind of expect the top 5 to make AA at some point and be 6 rotation pins. Para and Franklin were established starters as freshman at P5 schools and 6 rotation players who transferred in as juniors. In Para's case she went from P5 to midmajor. Had she stayed she probably wouldn't have been as much of a standout had she stayed. Alexander played 6 rotations as a freshman and was usually the 3rd or 4th option, with a lot of people questioning her ability to play backrow. Two years later she is putting up some Willoughby-like numbers in digs and kills while still with tye same program. To me that is still more growth. That was absolutely ridiculous examples that tex used, I laughed. Willouby numbers againts who ?? I guess being swept by UCSB and losing to UCI and being third in the lowly Big West with a 12=-7 record is quite an accomplishment... Lets be realistic this team is horrible |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Oct 23, 2024 14:53:42 GMT -5
Caylen isn’t going anywhere. Get off of our thread. Why are you so triggered that there is a chance she will transfer her senior year, she deserves to be against top notch competition hawaii volleyball is in a decline no matter how you spin this, sorry but that is reality and with so many graduating OH this year, most top college programs are looking for top tier players to transfer. Wisconsin, Penn State, Texas, USC, Louisville are all losing players and she would be a great fit, plus she can be closer to home.. Here are those teams 10-yr Avg Attendance (minus 2020)
Wisconsin - 6472
Penn State - 3260
Texas - 3525
USC - numbers so low nobody knows
Louisville - 1726
Hawaii has always averaged 5000- 6000 since the Stan opened. Why should she stay in Hawaii? Because our fans are loyal and not based on their team's ranking to drive attendance. Who wants to play on rinky dink gyms with attendance Hawaii can easily pull on a Sunday?
The only one that can match is Wisconsin. But who would want to leave warm beaches for Madison's cold lakes?
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