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Post by graduatestudent on Dec 26, 2023 19:34:40 GMT -5
My point is exactly what you have typed. The current staff is recruiting transfers who are looking for a better opportunity. Many are veteran players with polish. I’m waiting to see who makes progress under the current staff? Stark? Markley? Transfers need to be developed as well. Each of the transfers Penn State has brought in the past two years have improved - Some more, some less, but all noticeably. As for non-transfers - Grimes winning the libero shirt this season is development. Holland, though she didn't have as successful of a season this year, was 1st team B1G last year despite not being a big name out of high school. Trammel has improved tremendously, especially considering her injury last year. Starck, though not playing the position she was recruited for, has carved a new role for herself, and has improved her skills in the backrow - especially when it comes to passing. As for others we don't see often in matches like Markley - Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they're not being developed. Just the tough reality of limited starting positions. Agreed about the transfers. Did we forget about Mac’s serve prior to this season?
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Post by jagdpanther on Dec 26, 2023 20:19:21 GMT -5
This isn’t a logical fallacy. I only brought it up because i saw how much Cam improved JUST last season. She was our best pin hitters at times last season and that can be attributed to the staff, i chose Hodge to focus on because she seemed to be the one that worked with her during games It is a logical fallacy. She may be pretty good, but being a great player is hardly ever the reason why someone becomes a great coach.
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Post by jagdpanther on Dec 26, 2023 20:19:56 GMT -5
Penn state created an impossible level to stay at year after year. They were gonna fall at some point and face a big rebuild. They lost the winningest coach in womens volleyball history. They had lost a step in his last few years and i think it was time. KSC was a unestablished as a coach and i think after a few years she has done a pretty good job. We will know in these next couple years her potential with the recruits she gets. Theres always a turnover after former coach leaves of who was recruited by them and who the new coach. Im giving her a chance cause she has suprised my expectations so far I don't recall Nebraska or Texas taking steps back like this. Granted, they haven't changed coaches recently.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 26, 2023 20:22:46 GMT -5
Penn state created an impossible level to stay at year after year. They were gonna fall at some point and face a big rebuild. They lost the winningest coach in womens volleyball history. They had lost a step in his last few years and i think it was time. KSC was a unestablished as a coach and i think after a few years she has done a pretty good job. We will know in these next couple years her potential with the recruits she gets. Theres always a turnover after former coach leaves of who was recruited by them and who the new coach. Im giving her a chance cause she has suprised my expectations so far I don't recall Nebraska or Texas taking steps back like this. Granted, they haven't changed coaches recently. Programs go through different down periods for different lengths of time. Plus down periods are all subjective. A down period for penn state would still be a good stretch for most teams in the nation outside a handful or two. Penn state completely spoiled their fanbase and the run they went on was never gonna be sustainable indefinatly.
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Post by chenny11 on Dec 26, 2023 20:25:09 GMT -5
Penn state created an impossible level to stay at year after year. They were gonna fall at some point and face a big rebuild. They lost the winningest coach in womens volleyball history. They had lost a step in his last few years and i think it was time. KSC was a unestablished as a coach and i think after a few years she has done a pretty good job. We will know in these next couple years her potential with the recruits she gets. Theres always a turnover after former coach leaves of who was recruited by them and who the new coach. Im giving her a chance cause she has suprised my expectations so far I don't recall Nebraska or Texas taking steps back like this. Granted, they haven't changed coaches recently. Neither of them were ever at the level Penn State once was. Also, who knows in time where those teams will be. I’m sure they both will likely be “down” like we are right now in the next 10-15 years. It’s funny to be so negative about PSUVB when we still have made every tournament and been ranked in the top 25 for forever. We also usually don’t underperform in the tournament. Obviously in 2017 we got upset (Nebraska just had our number that season) but every season since then we have ended up where we were supposed to be or better in the NCAA tournament. So yes we have been having down years. But this is the new reality for Penn State and people should stop focusing on the past. This is the new era of PSUVB and now it’s about getting this new staff and new players to the top, not about restoring former glory.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 26, 2023 20:27:12 GMT -5
I don't recall Nebraska or Texas taking steps back like this. Granted, they haven't changed coaches recently. Neither of them were ever at the level Penn State once was. Also, who knows in time where those teams will be. I’m sure they both will likely be “down” like we are right now in the next 10-15 years. It’s funny to be so negative about PSUVB when we still have made every tournament and been ranked in the top 25 for forever. We also usually don’t underperform in the tournament. Obviously in 2017 we got upset (Nebraska just had our number that season) but every season since then we have ended up where we were supposed to be or better in the NCAA tournament. So yes we have been having down years. But this is the new reality for Penn State and people should stop focusing on the past. This is the new era of PSUVB and now it’s about getting this new staff and new players to the top, not about restoring former glory. It’s like trying to compare the pats run with Brady to without. You just can’t. When you have teams that have runs that top the history boards that’s not sustainable indefinatly and the fan bases of those programs have to come back down to reality and understand that’s not the norm.
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Post by rjaege on Dec 26, 2023 22:34:48 GMT -5
My point is exactly what you have typed. The current staff is recruiting transfers who are looking for a better opportunity. Many are veteran players with polish. I’m waiting to see who makes progress under the current staff? Stark? Markley? Literally 1 transfer this year so far, which I'd say was needed with Zoe leaving. Would you have rather the staff not bring in CJ for more depth on the right? Our only options then would be Cam & Alexa. Which after this season Cam has shown she's very talented in the OH position, she should continue to train and develop there to build consistency. That leaves Markley as the lone option for the RS, you could say Starck, but if I'm correct I don't think she's ever played there in her 3 years at PSU. I'm sure then, people like you would have all sorts of complaints about coaching staff not doing enough. CJ can compete at both OPP and OH. Very good get.
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Post by vballfan97 on Dec 27, 2023 9:50:47 GMT -5
Literally 1 transfer this year so far, which I'd say was needed with Zoe leaving. Would you have rather the staff not bring in CJ for more depth on the right? Our only options then would be Cam & Alexa. Which after this season Cam has shown she's very talented in the OH position, she should continue to train and develop there to build consistency. That leaves Markley as the lone option for the RS, you could say Starck, but if I'm correct I don't think she's ever played there in her 3 years at PSU. I'm sure then, people like you would have all sorts of complaints about coaching staff not doing enough. CJ can compete at both OPP and OH. Very good get. Indeed very good get!
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 27, 2023 17:15:26 GMT -5
Anyone know if psu has any Scholly spots open for a middle ?
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Post by chenny11 on Dec 27, 2023 17:28:33 GMT -5
Anyone know if psu has any Scholly spots open for a middle ? Scholarships were made available from the departures of Weatherington, Podraza, Holland, and Billinovic for sure, maybe also Van Eekeren. Newcomers Izzy Starck, Ava Faltudo, and Caroline Jurvicius will all be on scholarship so we should still have at least one maybe two.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 27, 2023 17:30:15 GMT -5
Anyone know if psu has any Scholly spots open for a middle ? Scholarships were made available from the departures of Weatherington, Podraza, Holland, and Billinovic for sure, maybe also Van Eekeren. Newcomers Izzy Starck, Ava Faltudo, and Caroline Jurvicius will all be on scholarship so we should still have at least one maybe two. In that case I’m gonna need KSC to work the portal magic for Maggie.
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Post by jagdpanther on Dec 27, 2023 20:41:04 GMT -5
Neither of them were ever at the level Penn State once was. Also, who knows in time where those teams will be. I’m sure they both will likely be “down” like we are right now in the next 10-15 years. It’s funny to be so negative about PSUVB when we still have made every tournament and been ranked in the top 25 for forever. We also usually don’t underperform in the tournament. Obviously in 2017 we got upset (Nebraska just had our number that season) but every season since then we have ended up where we were supposed to be or better in the NCAA tournament. So yes we have been having down years. But this is the new reality for Penn State and people should stop focusing on the past. This is the new era of PSUVB and now it’s about getting this new staff and new players to the top, not about restoring former glory. Sure, neither won 6 of 8. But they've been in the NC conversation solidly for decades at this point. And both are catching up to Penn State's 7 titles (Texas with 4 and Nebraska with 5). Don't see either stepping back soon. To say "well, we don't underperform" in the tournament is weak considering how early we've been ousted for several years now. We've been declining since that 2017 FF run. Yes, it's a "new era," but it's a step back era.
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Post by volleyfan4321 on Dec 28, 2023 8:07:02 GMT -5
Penn State historical 0.833 winning record, 25 conference titles, 7 National titles.
0.765 this season. Great season. The future is bright.
There is a lot right with PSU volleyball.
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Dec 28, 2023 8:54:57 GMT -5
Mostly bags of money that only a handful of other programs can also handout.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 28, 2023 8:58:22 GMT -5
Mostly bags of money that only a handful of other programs can also handout. It sucks for the programs that don’t have it but if sports are gonna allow it then teams with it are gonna utilize it
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