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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 11, 2023 11:32:43 GMT -5
Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on Skinner v. Franklin. If we're going just by points and hitting percentage, I'd go Skinner. Brilliant. You can read and compare numbers.
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Post by jimboslice on Dec 11, 2023 11:33:14 GMT -5
I've only seen Skinner during the tournament, during which she was amazing. I doubt that such granular statistics are available, but I'd love to see a breakdown for Skinner and Franklin between out of system kills and in-system. Skinner's ability to get kills against Stanford, one of the best blocking teams in the country, on all sorts of scramble plays left me stunned. Stanford, too.
Is this what you're looking for?
Vasquez Gomez hitting almost .400 in system? Ok Kim hill
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Post by badgercard on Dec 11, 2023 12:02:44 GMT -5
Frankline. She consistently changes games with her presence, Skinner lacked that up until tourney time, sorry
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2023 13:01:49 GMT -5
Frankline. She consistently changes games with her presence, Skinner lacked that up until tourney time, sorry Skinner has led Texas in kills in every match but like 3-4 I think, including all 8 matches against BYU, Kansas, Houston, and Baylor. How in the WORLD can you call that any sort of inconsistent impact? Wasn’t Smrek the go-to against Nebraska last time yall played anyways? Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route.
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Post by badgercard on Dec 11, 2023 13:05:13 GMT -5
Frankline. She consistently changes games with her presence, Skinner lacked that up until tourney time, sorry Skinner has led Texas in kills in every match but like 3-4 I think, including all 8 matches against BYU, Kansas, Houston, and Baylor. How in the WORLD can you call that any sort of inconsistent impact? Wasn’t Smrek the go-to against Nebraska last time yall played anyways? Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route. Skinner carrying texas doesn't mean shes NPOY. It means the rest of Texas isn't up to par. Wisconsin being a great team w/o Franklin doesn't mean she's not the NPOY, but she's the force that has led wisco to beat almost EVERYONE this season. Me saying consistant means those sh#tty texas losses make Skinner less considerable for NPOY IMO.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 11, 2023 13:09:27 GMT -5
Skinner has led Texas in kills in every match but like 3-4 I think, including all 8 matches against BYU, Kansas, Houston, and Baylor. How in the WORLD can you call that any sort of inconsistent impact? Wasn’t Smrek the go-to against Nebraska last time yall played anyways? Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route. Skinner carrying texas doesn't mean shes NPOY. It means the rest of Texas isn't up to par. Wisconsin being a great team w/o Franklin doesn't mean she's not the NPOY, but she's the force that has led wisco to beat almost EVERYONE this season. Me saying consistant means those sh#tty texas losses make Skinner less considerable for NPOY IMO. This is a step back from your original comment. You said that Skinner lacked changing games until the Tournament. Can you elaborate on that? She's regularly over 5 kills per set against T25 competition, and in some cases 6-7 kills per set. Interesting take.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2023 13:14:16 GMT -5
Skinner has led Texas in kills in every match but like 3-4 I think, including all 8 matches against BYU, Kansas, Houston, and Baylor. How in the WORLD can you call that any sort of inconsistent impact? Wasn’t Smrek the go-to against Nebraska last time yall played anyways? Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route. Skinner carrying texas doesn't mean shes NPOY. It means the rest of Texas isn't up to par. Wisconsin being a great team w/o Franklin doesn't mean she's not the NPOY, but she's the force that has led wisco to beat almost EVERYONE this season. Me saying consistant means those sh#tty texas losses make Skinner less considerable for NPOY IMO. you’re moving goal posts but trojansc said it better than I could so I’ll let you respond to that
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Post by dbro1970 on Dec 11, 2023 13:14:27 GMT -5
Player of the year not most valuable player. My POY is Franklin, I would give it to the player who is playing the best in. My MVP is skinner, I think she has a bigger effect/ would be missed more than franklin.
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Post by 25or624 on Dec 11, 2023 13:24:13 GMT -5
The questions from reporters had stopped, and Ulmer was asked by a moderator if he had anything else to say before departing. "Yes," he said, "Sarah Franklin is excellent. I mean, she is really the real, real deal. I was so impressed by her. Good luck to them, but she is a really special player and it's fun to play against really good players like that. "
"I can't believe, Ulmer said, "that I almost went that whole time without mentioning her."
For your consideration.
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Post by badgerbadgerbadger on Dec 11, 2023 13:24:37 GMT -5
Frankline. She consistently changes games with her presence, Skinner lacked that up until tourney time, sorry Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route. Texas has Byrd and Kahahawai, both top hitting recruits, healthy if needed to take over for Skinner. Wisconsin has...check notes....an injured Ella Wrobel. Without Franklin, Orzol probably slides back to OH, the same Orzol that has hit around .200 for her career at Wisconsin. Not to mention, Wisconsin is only able to use TTA because Franklin can pass adequately in a 2-person SR for 3 rotations. With Orzol at OH, we also gets much worse at passing at the L position. So we lose both passing and the ability to be terminal on OOS balls on the left side (which would be needed with the terrible passing now) without Franklin, while Texas only loses the ability to be terminal since Skinner can't pass anyways. Actually, we've already seen what happened with Orzol at OH and GG back at L twice this season, we lost both times to Purdue and Penn St. on the road lol. And those losses were with a terminal left in Frank. Without her, we probably get swept. How exactly is that version Wisconsin in a better state than Texas without Skinner?
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Post by Logan Tom Fan on Dec 11, 2023 13:33:25 GMT -5
This goes to Skinner for me. Literally willing her team to victory over Tennessee and Stanford, and into the final four. She got help from Asjia O’Neal, but that’s about it. Talk about carrying your team. Franklin is a close second for me. Clutch when they need her to be, but stacked against an All-American line up in the front and back row. Skinner the more agile of the two, Franklin a little more finesse at times.
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Post by trojansc on Dec 11, 2023 13:33:25 GMT -5
Texas has Byrd and Kahahawai, both top hitting recruits, healthy if needed to take over for Skinner. Why aren't they playing over Wenaas? .
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Post by badgercard on Dec 11, 2023 13:34:26 GMT -5
Skinner carrying texas doesn't mean shes NPOY. It means the rest of Texas isn't up to par. Wisconsin being a great team w/o Franklin doesn't mean she's not the NPOY, but she's the force that has led wisco to beat almost EVERYONE this season. Me saying consistant means those sh#tty texas losses make Skinner less considerable for NPOY IMO. This is a step back from your original comment. You said that Skinner lacked changing games until the Tournament. Can you elaborate on that? She's regularly over 5 kills per set against T25 competition, and in some cases 6-7 kills per set. Interesting take. She didn't change games or flip the texas switch until the tourney. Their losses show it. Yes she's going to have a lot of kills in the big 12 lol. Franklin changed every single game they were in, in the big ten. She is undoubtedly the best player in the country right now.
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 11, 2023 13:38:10 GMT -5
Trying to put down Skinner in an attempt to raise Franklin's stock is just cringe. Both are deserving.
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Post by badgercard on Dec 11, 2023 13:38:26 GMT -5
Texas without Madi would be in a MUCH worse state than Wisconsin without Sarah, if you wanna go that route. Texas has Byrd and Kahahawai, both top hitting recruits, healthy if needed to take over for Skinner. Wisconsin has...check notes....an injured Ella Wrobel. Without Franklin, Orzol probably slides back to OH, the same Orzol that has hit around .200 for her career at Wisconsin. Not to mention, Wisconsin is only able to use TTA because Franklin can pass adequately in a 2-person SR for 3 rotations. With Orzol at OH, we also gets much worse at passing at the L position. So we lose both passing and the ability to be terminal on OOS balls on the left side (which would be needed with the terrible passing now) without Franklin, while Texas only loses the ability to be terminal since Skinner can't pass anyways. Actually, we've already seen what happened with Orzol at OH and GG back at L twice this season, we lost both times to Purdue and Penn St. on the road lol. And those losses were with a terminal left in Frank. Without her, we probably get swept. How exactly is that version Wisconsin in a better state than Texas without Skinner? And Sarah's numbers (in the best conference in the nation) are insane. Skinner is a no-go for me. Even Beason has a bigger chance as arguably the best portal pickup this season.
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