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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 11, 2023 14:32:10 GMT -5
Wisconsin fans trying to diminish skinner would take her in an absolute heartbeat over TTA lmao Y’all are a joke Again my vote is for Franklin but skinner is equally deserving and truly I wouldn’t mind either or both winning Your logic is...flawed. No one is arguing Skinner isn't great or deserving of accolades. They're NEVER ONCE IN ANY THREAD ANYWHERE argued that TTA is taken over anyone...but Wenaas. lol
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Dec 11, 2023 14:55:31 GMT -5
I know ncaa doesnt use kill percentage aka how terminal someone is but fwiw Skinner: 43.8% Franklin: 39.3% Franklin is soooo good at staying low error whereas skinner can get more kills on less swings
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Post by tristen on Dec 11, 2023 14:56:52 GMT -5
offense - adv. Skinner passing - adv. Franklin serving - adv. Skinner blocking- slight adv. Skinner hit % - very close, with a slight edge to Franklin, but Skinner takes slightly more swings, but actually, Skinner has the advantage in kill percentage that isn't very close. digging - tie I think it could be viewed a few different ways. Wisconsin has had more team success, while Skinner won a regional at Stanford. I won't be surprised either result. I vote for Skinner. But, if the passing isn't accounted for, I'd definitely "predict" Skinner. Yeah, that's how I feel too. If passing isn't a main consideration, then it seems like Skinner has the clear edge based on her higher points per set. But passing matters a lot, and it's not just that Franklin is a better passer. She has a lot more attempts too. To me, it's kind of like a pitcher having a better ERA and a lot more innings pitched. That is very valuable. Honestly, I don't have strong feelings either way and would be happy with either winning. If passing isnt a main considerstion than to me the award doesnt mean as much…passing litterally sets up ur offense…good to great passing can literally win u matches…all the other stats between the two seem pretty equal but the passing and responsibility Franklin has puts her above Skinner
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 11, 2023 15:03:43 GMT -5
Wisconsin fans trying to diminish skinner would take her in an absolute heartbeat over TTA lmao Y’all are a joke Again my vote is for Franklin but skinner is equally deserving and truly I wouldn’t mind either or both winning Your logic is...flawed. No one is arguing Skinner isn't great or deserving of accolades. They're NEVER ONCE IN ANY THREAD ANYWHERE argued that TTA is taken over anyone...but Wenaas. lol The argument would be would Wisconsin fans take Skinner over Franklin. I believe most would not. I also don’t think many Texas fans would take Franklin over Skinner. Both fan bases should be ecstatic with who’s leading their teams…
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 11, 2023 15:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that's how I feel too. If passing isn't a main consideration, then it seems like Skinner has the clear edge based on her higher points per set. But passing matters a lot, and it's not just that Franklin is a better passer. She has a lot more attempts too. To me, it's kind of like a pitcher having a better ERA and a lot more innings pitched. That is very valuable. Honestly, I don't have strong feelings either way and would be happy with either winning. If passing isnt a main considerstion than to me the award doesnt mean as much…passing litterally sets up ur offense…good to great passing can literally win u matches…all the other stats between the two seem pretty equal but the passing and responsibility Franklin has puts her above Skinner I don't disagree. I just don't know how much weight the coaches will give it. In general, the AVCA does a pretty terrible job with its awards.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2023 15:25:28 GMT -5
Devin is hitting under .150 and Byrd is in a boot I’m pretty sure lol Madi is more impactful than Asjia this season and we lost to *checks note* LONG BEACH STATE without Asjia lmao Molly Phillips didn't get to play a full game v Stanford earlier this season, and now that she did, Texas went from being swept at home to winning in 4 AT Stanford. So clearly, Molly Phillips is Texas's most impactful player. Oh wait, you can't bring back results from literally the first few weeks of the season like that? Huh, who would have thought? Yeah, the LBSU loss was without O'Neal, but Swindle also looked like a reincarnation of Shook, Texas's floor defense was terrible, and it looks like Texas expected to walk into there and win without much effort. That Texas team had a lot more problems than just misssing O'Neal. Just to be clear, I've posted earlier in this post and in Wisconsin's own thread that I think Skinner will win (deservingly) NPOY. However, that doesn't mean she is more important to Texas than Franklin is to Wisconsin. Again, my question is, you claim that Texas without Skinner is somehow in a worse state than Wisconsin without Franklin. Let me remind you, Franklin passed more balls this year than your LIBERO Emma Halter did, and half of it was in a 2-person SR. Without Skinner, Texas can plug and play and will lose (a lot) of being terminal on the left. Wisconsin changes TWO different positions, AND loses terminal on the left AND loses our main passer (Frank passed the most balls this year for Wisco). Without Franklin, Wisconsin's SR would be a sicko formation of GG-TTA-Orzol LOL. So how does losing being terminal leaves Texas in a worse state than Wisconsin losing both being terminal on the left AND their main passer lol? Especially when Texas is deeper than Wisconsin? you’re not dumb, are you? I don’t think you’re dumb. but your “point” about Molly is certainly dumb. Molly wasn’t hurt. Molly got BENCHED because she was hitting .000. I just don’t think passing more balls with a 0.1 difference in passing is enough to pass the better scorer, server, and blocker (and tied defensively). We’re obviously both biased when it comes to importance, but I will repeat, Texas is not really any deeper than Wisconsin. if we are, it’s because y’all run a 6-2. Wrobel and Kahahawai were both top recruits that have barely played and haven’t looked great when playing so far. Byrd is in a boot. There would be no one to ever take out the trash. Y’all would still have your right sides who have been wonderful this season OOS (thoroughly impressed with their improvements in that area. Smrek looks like a whole new player, she is INSANELY good this season). I think Orzol/TTA and Wenaas/Devin would be about a wash in terms of offense+passing. Molly is nowhere near y’all’s right sides, as solid as she’s been.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 11, 2023 15:58:02 GMT -5
I think whoever out-performs the other between Franklin and skinner in their next match should get it. The committee may choose before that tho
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 11, 2023 17:41:59 GMT -5
Your logic is...flawed. No one is arguing Skinner isn't great or deserving of accolades. They're NEVER ONCE IN ANY THREAD ANYWHERE argued that TTA is taken over anyone...but Wenaas. lol The argument would be would Wisconsin fans take Skinner over Franklin. I believe most would not. I also don’t think many Texas fans would take Franklin over Skinner. Both fan bases should be ecstatic with who’s leading their teams… Ummmm...look at the poll.
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Post by dizzydean on Dec 11, 2023 17:49:37 GMT -5
The argument would be would Wisconsin fans take Skinner over Franklin. I believe most would not. I also don’t think many Texas fans would take Franklin over Skinner. Both fan bases should be ecstatic with who’s leading their teams… Ummmm...look at the poll. Yes, but to be fair, most of us have probably seen Franklin more than Skinner (THANKS LHN). I’m fine with either getting it. Bot have had great years.
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Post by b1gvb23 on Dec 11, 2023 18:01:01 GMT -5
I think whoever out-performs the other between Franklin and skinner in their next match should get it. The committee may choose before that tho Unfortunately they definitely vote before Thursday’s match.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 11, 2023 18:04:17 GMT -5
I think whoever out-performs the other between Franklin and skinner in their next match should get it. The committee may choose before that tho Unfortunately they definitely vote before Thursday’s match. I thought so but didn't see a confirmed answer anywhere, I think thats kinda dumb lol especially considering most years there's more than one legit candidate in the FF
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Post by b1gvb23 on Dec 11, 2023 18:05:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately they definitely vote before Thursday’s match. I thought so but didn't see a confirmed answer anywhere, I think thats kinda dumb lol especially considering most years there's more than one legit candidate in the FF I mean the banquet is at 10:45 AM on Friday so I guess it’s just my assumption that voting would have to take place before the Thursday evening matches
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Post by tablealgebra on Dec 11, 2023 18:30:32 GMT -5
Wisconsin fans trying to diminish skinner would take her in an absolute heartbeat over TTA lmao Y’all are a joke Again my vote is for Franklin but skinner is equally deserving and truly I wouldn’t mind either or both winning Whoa, there, don't be silly. Of course Wisconsin fans would take Skinner over TTA. In fact, as a Wisconsin fan I have to ask, do you know if Skinner will be in the portal this Spring? The real question is whether Wisconsin fans would take her over Franklin. And honestly, I think the answer is probably no, from a truly* objective standpoint. Because Franklin's passing is absolutely necessary for Wisconsin to succeed and passing half the court at a 2.15 (not amazing, but needed for us) is not something I think Skinner could do. On the flip side, if I were Texas I absolutely wouldn't take Franklin over Skinner. Skinner's ability to just overpower the block allows her to be the main option over 6 rotations, a role which I think Franklin would not be as good in and which Texas badly needs. *no one can be truly objective, but trying P.S. Ok, real talk. I too am disgusted by our fans' display in bashing Skinner - clearly a great player - in a transparent effort to boost Franklin's stock. Clearly our "homer" contingent is strong (see: any international thread involving Donna), but stooping to bashing opposing players in an attempt to make our own look better is a lack of class that I hope some of us will revisit and rethink.
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Post by pull3 on Dec 11, 2023 19:41:48 GMT -5
I think whoever out-performs the other between Franklin and skinner in their next match should get it. The committee may choose before that tho
yeah, make an exception and let's settle it there. I know they vote on Thur, but a little conference call won't take 5 mins.
If Skinner hit over 300 against Smrek I will give it to her.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 11, 2023 19:46:35 GMT -5
agreed tablealgebraI’d be shocked to hear a Texas or Wisconsin fan want to swap. Franklin’s ability to pass with 2 is NEEDED, where as we have more subs to play with and way more DS options with all three of Halter, Akana, and Barnes. Texas needs someone with a hitting window like Madi for our freshmen setter. I mean holy crap, she’s killing like 45% of balls set to her and so many of the sets are scraping the ceiling from all over the court. no one else on our team can terminate OOS.
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