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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Dec 14, 2023 16:28:54 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with any of what you said but why can’t, in the case of sports, competitors be categorized by XX and XY? Well 1) not everyone fits neatly into that distinction and 2) why is that distinction specifically the best one to use? Why not categorize by height or weight or other physical features that could potentially give someone an advantage over someone else? Although not everyone “fits” in that distinction, most do. Or put another way what percentage of people aren’t either XX or XY and play sports? That distinction is not as broadly ranged as height or weight and still groups people in a fairly uniform way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 16:31:51 GMT -5
I pray to whatever divine being may exist that you are not a health care professional of any kind. Your divine being has failed you. Don’t worry I don’t let my personal beliefs hinder my professional responsibilities. Here’s the thing. Once enough people no longer fear being called names for a different way of thinking this all ends. It’s allowed to continue because people let others fear them into silence. Once that stops all this madness falls apart. People will continue to try to bully and fear people into silenced as long as other let people have that control over them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 16:40:35 GMT -5
To be clear I was liberal when I was young then a conservative as I got older. Now I’m independent. I think both parties in office are batcrap crazy and are all just looking after their own interests. The prob is instead of the people of all backgrounds finding common ground we are all fighting eachother instead of the real prob. The governments and mass corporations and rich elites. They will continue to get richer and richer and the rest of society poorer and poorer unless people open their eyes and come together under a common interest. They have made society so mentally weak only focusing on peoples feelings. Feelings can be easily manipulated. It’s what is happening so people don’t fight with them. They manipulate people to fight with everyone else besides the people causing the issues
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 16:43:47 GMT -5
I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. I'm also opposed to calling people "transgenders" , because transgenderism does not exist. In all of human history, two things have never happened. No man has ever become a woman. No woman has ever become a man. There’s a long, global history of societies accepting genders outside of the male/female binary, ranging from the Americas, to Africa, Europe, Asia, Oceania, etc. You might not like it, but your post isn’t supported by the facts.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 14, 2023 17:01:25 GMT -5
I understand your sentiment but that doesn’t answer my question. 🤷🏾♂️ Oh my bad I have posted so much maybe I mixed posts up but to answer you question I think athletes should be grouped in sports after they hit puberty XX and XY Sex chromosome aneuploidies comprise a relatively common group of chromosome disorders characterized by the loss or gain of one or more sex chromosomes. We discuss five of the better-known sex aneuploidies: Turner syndrome (XO), Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), trisomy X (XXX), XYY, and XXYY. Despite their prevalence in the general population, these disorders are underdiagnosed and the specific genetic mechanisms underlying their phenotypes are poorly understood. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29325624/Or if you want to start checking penises, vagina, testicles, and ovaries: Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births isna.org/faq/frequency/#
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 14, 2023 17:11:13 GMT -5
To be clear I was liberal when I was young then a conservative as I got older. Noooooooobody cares.
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Post by hebrooks87 on Dec 14, 2023 17:13:36 GMT -5
I am waiting for women’s sports to be destroyed … Seems like it should have happened a long time ago, by your logic. I am so sad that of the 10 highest paid women athletes in the world, 8 are transwomen because in 1976 Renee Richards single-handedly destroyed women’s tennis. Ok...I can relate As this becomes more popular it will eventually destroy womens sports because you all know its a huge advantage for genetic males who identify as females. Thats just a fact. Renee Richards was a subpar athlete. Lia Thomas was a subpar male swimmer. Most of these men who transition were not stars until they became women. If that doesn't prove the advantage male genetics have then nothing will. Thomas had the 5th fastest 1000 yard freestyle in the NCAA and was 7th as a sophomore. They were 49th in the 1650 free as a freshman and 34th as a sophomore. They were 98th in the 500 free as a freshman and 65th as a sophomore. That means they were in the top 1% of NCAA DI men in the 1000 and top 7% in the 1650 and 500. They finished second in the Ivy League as a man in all three events as a sophomore. They were far from a subpar male swimmer. Assuming normal progress, they would have competed in the 500 and 1650 national meets as a man their senior year and perhaps their junior year. Division I has no championship at 1000 yards.
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Post by ethanfox on Dec 14, 2023 17:13:39 GMT -5
To be clear I was liberal when I was young then a conservative as I got older. Noooooooobody cares. That part
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 14, 2023 17:19:18 GMT -5
To be clear I was liberal when I was young then a conservative as I got older. Now I’m independent. I think both parties in office are batcrap crazy and are all just looking after their own interests. The prob is instead of the people of all backgrounds finding common ground we are all fighting eachother instead of the real prob. The governments and mass corporations and rich elites. They will continue to get richer and richer and the rest of society poorer and poorer unless people open their eyes and come together under a common interest. They have made society so mentally weak only focusing on peoples feelings. Feelings can be easily manipulated. It’s what is happening so people don’t fight with them. They manipulate people to fight with everyone else besides the people causing the issues Ok boomer
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 14, 2023 17:23:27 GMT -5
I applaud you for trying to have a respectful conversation, too bad it's not reciprocated by those who aren't interested in being honest, respectable or hearing truths they don't like. The truth and a matter of fact is that a biological male wants to play in a female sports league. Period. That is NOT respectable at all. That is CHEATING. Expect a major backlash once he enters the court and y’all gonna say he’s being discriminated. How can you tolerate and feed the delusions of mentally and emotionally challenged “young” person? Referring to anyone who lives their life differently as “delusional” or “mentally ill” is a disgrace. I sure hope nobody is under your care.
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Post by vbtalk on Dec 14, 2023 17:36:33 GMT -5
We could start with honoring pronouns/names. The only way i’d honor using their pronouns is if it’s indicated in their medical records. Do you think adopted children should be allowed to call their adoptive parents Mom and Dad?
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2023 17:59:58 GMT -5
I don’t disagree with any of what you said but why can’t, in the case of sports, competitors be categorized by XX and XY? What do we do with those who are neither? What do we do with those who have a translocation of part of the Y chromosome, such that they either (A) express male characteristics without a Y chromosome, or (B) fail to express male characteristics, despite having a Y chromosome? Biology is not as simple as you were taught in high school (or even college).
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:01:07 GMT -5
The truth and a matter of fact is that a biological male wants to play in a female sports league. Period. That is NOT respectable at all. That is CHEATING. Expect a major backlash once he enters the court and y’all gonna say he’s being discriminated. How can you tolerate and feed the delusions of mentally and emotionally challenged “young” person? Referring to anyone who lives their life differently as “delusional” or “mentally ill” is a disgrace. I sure hope nobody is under your care. I have taken care of one without discrimination so I i’m not bothered.
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2023 18:02:52 GMT -5
We could start with honoring pronouns/names. The only way i’d honor using their pronouns is if it’s indicated in their medical records. So, how do you refer to all the people whose medical records you haven’t seen? Why do you accept SOME people’s preferred pronouns, but not others?
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:03:43 GMT -5
The only way i’d honor using their pronouns is if it’s indicated in their medical records. Do you think adopted children should be allowed to call their adoptive parents Mom and Dad? Totally incomparable scenarios. There is mutual agreement between adoptive parents and children to call each other however they want to. There is nothing political about this. However with regards to trans people, like I said, if it’s medically indicated in their records then I will honor it.
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