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Post by jammaster on Dec 14, 2023 18:04:01 GMT -5
My daughter played SCVA and played Tate numerous times over like 6 years. My daughter also had another MTF Transgender athlete play in her county and they played frequently. Neither was like on another level such that it was unfair that my daughter had to play on the same court. My daughter was friends with the player from a local HS team, she is a good kid. In fact the two transgender athletes played one season on the same 17U SCVA club team. Again my daughter played against them multiple times and really not a big deal.
If you knew Tate, you would see this kid isn't the one that brings this debate to a head. She is a very good player, sometimes was dominant in SCVA play but not always, NCAA D1 is going to be fine. No offense to Tate, but a player like a Harper Murray is stronger (IMO).
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:05:02 GMT -5
The only way i’d honor using their pronouns is if it’s indicated in their medical records. So, how do you refer to all the people whose medical records you haven’t seen? Why do you accept SOME people’s preferred pronouns, but not others? Honoring their medical preferences with regards to their pronouns is a professional responsibility.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:06:50 GMT -5
My daughter played SCVA and played Tate numerous times over like 6 years. My daughter also had another MTF Transgender athlete play in her county and they played frequently. Neither was like on another level such that it was unfair that my daughter had to play on the same court. My daughter was friends with the player from a local HS team, she is a good kid. In fact the two transgender athletes played one season on the same 17U SCVA club team. Again my daughter played against them multiple times and really not a big deal. If you knew Tate, you would see this kid isn't the one that brings this debate to a head. She is a very good player, sometimes was dominant in SCVA play but not always, NCAA D1 is going to be fine. No offense to Tate, but a player like a Harper Murray is stronger (IMO). I see it as NOBODY in men’s league would actually recruit him because he’s not that talented OR Washington just wants to become relevant again for the wrong reasons. Either way it’s not a good taste.
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Post by JT on Dec 14, 2023 18:09:11 GMT -5
So, how do you refer to all the people whose medical records you haven’t seen? Why do you accept SOME people’s preferred pronouns, but not others? Honoring their medical preferences with regards to their pronouns is a professional responsibility. I’m not talking about when a person is in a medical situation/context. A person walks up to you on the street. For whatever reason, you have a long enough conversation that “Chris” lets you know their preferred pronouns are she/her. You talk to a friend, later on, about the person you encountered. What pronouns do you use to refer to Chris, and why?
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Post by trojansc on Dec 14, 2023 18:10:04 GMT -5
Every day I realize more and more people are just not decent human beings, and this is not tied to a “belief”.
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Post by jgrout on Dec 14, 2023 18:12:15 GMT -5
Go to the Devil… no, wait, you are already there! I will fight the use of Title IX to destroy women’s sports with all of my donations to college athletics. The NCAA will probably succumb, as has the Bidumb Administration, which has been outed as daft left-wing hysterics. MEN CANNOT BE OUTED AS FEMALE ANYTHING.
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Post by Moonlight on Dec 14, 2023 18:13:09 GMT -5
I hope they adopt a self-identification policy. It might end women's volleyball but it would be humorous.
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Post by sec.scoob on Dec 14, 2023 18:14:32 GMT -5
Do you think adopted children should be allowed to call their adoptive parents Mom and Dad? Totally incomparable scenarios. There is mutual agreement between adoptive parents and children to call each other however they want to. There is nothing political about this. However with regards to trans people, like I said, if it’s medically indicated in their records then I will honor it. Not really sure how someone wants to be identified is "political" either. The only thing that makes it political is people dragging it in to politics, just like many other topics. This is a personal decision of an individual, and the steps they take regarding it are all medical decisions. Nothing about this should be political in the first place.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:15:32 GMT -5
Honoring their medical preferences with regards to their pronouns is a professional responsibility. I’m not talking about when a person is in a medical situation/context. A person walks up to you on the street. For whatever reason, you have a long enough conversation that “Chris” lets you know their preferred pronouns are she/her. You talk to a friend, later on, about the person you encountered. What pronouns do you use to refer to Chris, and why? I address trans people by their preferred first names/proper nouns. If they bothered enough to correct me with their preferred pronouns then I know they’re woke.
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Post by nevball17 on Dec 14, 2023 18:15:49 GMT -5
Everyone should stop commenting on this post so it falls to the depths of vtalk and not seen on the main page. This athlete does not need to be the topic of debate and the target of hate on here. The more debate, the more terrible, hateful things said. There are so many more things going on in the volleyball world. Comment on those threads.
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Post by jgrout on Dec 14, 2023 18:16:05 GMT -5
So, how do you refer to all the people whose medical records you haven’t seen? Why do you accept SOME people’s preferred pronouns, but not others? Honoring their medical preferences with regards to their pronouns is a professional responsibility. Lying is not any form of truth-telling. Lying is lying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 18:17:18 GMT -5
Every day I realize more and more people are just not decent human beings, and this is not tied to a “belief”. What’s considered decent? People can only feel hurt or angry or sad or happy or whatever if they allow themselves to feel that way. Nobody else can make someone feel anyway they don’t want to feel without that persons permission. Their is always a choice. Much of it is mental stability. It’s why I say people have to be stronger mentally. You can’t make anyone do anything without their permission. We need to stop basing all decisions on feelings. People need to take responsibility for their own mental state and stop this victimhood mentality. People today let words affect their lives way too much. Everyone on this planet can claim to be a victim of something in life. That’s why it’s a ridiculous mentality to entertain
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Post by raian13 on Dec 14, 2023 18:20:00 GMT -5
Honoring their medical preferences with regards to their pronouns is a professional responsibility. Lying is not any form of truth-telling. Lying is lying. I look these preferred pronouns in medical field as part of their advance directive/will so be it.
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Post by jgrout on Dec 14, 2023 18:21:00 GMT -5
I’m not talking about when a person is in a medical situation/context. A person walks up to you on the street. For whatever reason, you have a long enough conversation that “Chris” lets you know their preferred pronouns are she/her. You talk to a friend, later on, about the person you encountered. What pronouns do you use to refer to Chris, and why? I address trans people by their preferred first names/proper nouns. If they bothered enough to correct me with their preferred pronouns then I know they’re woke. This “identification” has been used by sex offenders to violate locker rooms. Safety is more important than mentally unstable showoffs who may or may not have sexual abuse on their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 18:23:15 GMT -5
I address trans people by their preferred first names/proper nouns. If they bothered enough to correct me with their preferred pronouns then I know they’re woke. This “identification” has been used by sex offenders to violate locker rooms. Safety is more important than mentally unstable showoffs who may or may not have sexual abuse on their minds. Also in jails and get women pregnant there. Safety should be applied to all. Not just a select group. It’s pretty obvious if all you have to do is identify as a women to have access to women’s lockerooms it will provide a dangerous environment to women cause it will be abused for sexual abuse ect. I don’t care what some think , I guarentee most parents with biological daughters especially fathers would not want biological males in biological females lockerooms. Like I said early if you want to make a third lockeroom for transgender then so be it but everyone in there is in there by choice. You don’t make one comfortable and the expensive of others uncomfortable. If people want to be wrapped up in all feelings then Atleast to be fair with everyone’s feelings is what I’ve been trying to get across
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