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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 18:27:14 GMT -5
I don’t disagree. Is there another article out there that presents this topic in a better light? It’s a really topic worthy of discussion even if that article doesn’t do it in the right way. I think it’s worthy of discussion, maybe in off the net though? I know there was a Brazilian player years ago that played and had a big thread about it My main gripe is the clearly transphobia nature of this article It’s so bad it makes me want to throw up. You can have the opinion that she shouldn’t play in a women’s sport/division, I get that. That can be a healthy debate Transphobia is not ok tho Healthy debate? Did you mention 'healthy debate' and Off the Net in the same sentence?? 🙄 |
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Post by dbro1970 on Dec 13, 2023 18:28:04 GMT -5
I couldn't even read the article. There's a lot of hate on that site that's obvious on first glance. I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders born male who identify as female competing in women's collegiate sports outside of coed sports such as equestrian events, but I do understand I'm in the far minority on this site. But that site doesn't handle what is a complicated and very emotional issue for a lot of people with any kind of nuance whatsoever. I fully agree. Male puberty causes huge changes in the body that confer a huge competitive advantage. Once a person goes through male puberty, advantages like thicker and longer bones, a bigger heart, greater lung capacity, etc. are not ever erased by hormone treatments. Having seen males compete with the Wisconsin girls at preseason scrimages, I am opposed to having a player like Lia Thomas playing college volleyball. I feel that it erases the gains for women's sports made by Title IX. However, this article is a smear campaign. They definitely should show more respect for the student in their wording. Also, I found another article that said this young lady transitioned as a child, thus, she did not go through male puberty, a totally different situation. |
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Post by rjaege on Dec 13, 2023 18:31:47 GMT -5
I predict lots of drama, controversy and court filings/appeals related to this. It ain't going away. Maybe she was outed, but that was basically a given under tbe circumstance. Transgendered female players are highly controversial. It will be interesting to see how the UW players react via the transfer portal, which allows dissent without voicing specific objection.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Dec 13, 2023 18:36:22 GMT -5
Thanks for being mostly respectful on this thread. VolleyTalk should be able to handle this discussion without being mean, dismissive or clueless. Please keep up the respectful work!
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Post by vollectator on Dec 13, 2023 18:41:36 GMT -5
I couldn't even read the article. There's a lot of hate on that site that's obvious on first glance. I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders born male who identify as female competing in women's collegiate sports outside of coed sports such as equestrian events, but I do understand I'm in the far minority on this site. But that site doesn't handle what is a complicated and very emotional issue for a lot of people with any kind of nuance whatsoever. actually really well said. I feel the same so do i |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 18:41:45 GMT -5
I couldn't even read the article. There's a lot of hate on that site that's obvious on first glance. I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders born male who identify as female competing in women's collegiate sports outside of coed sports such as equestrian events, but I do understand I'm in the far minority on this site. But that site doesn't handle what is a complicated and very emotional issue for a lot of people with any kind of nuance whatsoever. I fully agree. Male puberty causes huge changes in the body that confer a huge competitive advantage. Once a person goes through male puberty, advantages like thicker and longer bones, a bigger heart, greater lung capacity, etc. are not ever erased by hormone treatments. Having seen males compete with the Wisconsin girls at preseason scrimages, I am opposed to having a player like Lia Thomas playing college volleyball. I feel that it erases the gains for women's sports made by Title IX. However, this article is a smear campaign. They definitely should show more respect for the student in their wording. Also, I found another article that said this young lady transitioned as a child, thus, she did not go through male puberty, a totally different situation. Yeah, I don't know the details of this particular case. I just know how I feel generally. There's a zero sum here. I think there's a clear choice between trying to accommodate a group of people who are already going through extraordinarily difficult circumstances in choosing to go through the process of changing genders. There has to be some kind of acknowledgement and sensitivity to those challenges. At the same time, I don't think it's fair for people who were born as women to be forced to compete against people who were born as men regardless of the circumstances. I understand that is not a universal view, but it is mine. I don't know what an equitable solution is to suitably compromise between the two views, if there is one. I know that website isn't going to further the conversation, though. That site is obviously for the echo chamber people. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2023 18:47:45 GMT -5
I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders ... I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 13, 2023 18:48:38 GMT -5
There’s a reason why her face doesn’t appear on the site or even in the documentary. There was an intended level of protection with this story that was not granted by the article. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 18:50:09 GMT -5
I will say I'm adamantly opposed to transgenders ... I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. |
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Post by gohuskervolleyball on Dec 13, 2023 18:50:27 GMT -5
Either way, this topic is clearly going to be recycled on plenty of other platforms, not sure why it needed to be brought to volleytalk? Nothing good will come out of it trust. because it affects women’s college volleyball lol I get that, I’m just speaking in terms of nothing but mess as a result of bringing it here due to the nature of VT and some posters. Not a good idea |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 13, 2023 18:52:37 GMT -5
I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. "transgendered person" maybe? Something that at least acknowledges that being transgender is only one part of who they are? |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 18:54:38 GMT -5
That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. "transgendered person" maybe? Something that at least acknowledges that being transgender is only one part of who they are? Sure. I don't know the right answer. That's why I was soliciting feedback. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 13, 2023 18:54:42 GMT -5
I will say that I'm adamantly opposed to calling people "transgenders", as if they are nothing except for that one aspect of their lives. That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. Hey there friend. A more respectful and inclusive way of phrasing it would be to say transgender people, trans people, trans folks, etc. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 18:56:23 GMT -5
That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. Hey there friend. A more respectful and inclusive way of phrasing it would be to say transgender people, trans people, trans folks, etc. Yes, I changed it. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 13, 2023 19:00:02 GMT -5
I strongly advise that before anyone comment on such a sensitive issue that does not seem to be going away anytime soon do your research. There is no documented trans person showing up in any sport and absolutely dominating the competition. Why, cause it doesn’t exist.
The topic is usually fueled by transphobic rhetoric and people who are grossly misinformed about the topic or issue at hand.
Trans people like all people deserve to live their lives and exist they are not endangering other athletes by competing and many women practice with men or play with them consistently and constantly to get better or to gain a competitive advantage. When someone shows me a male at birth trans female who is simply outperforming their peers that they are sweeping the competition then maybe this conversation is worth revisiting but the fact remains most just want to be able to compete in a sport they love and enjoy.
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