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Post by staticb on Dec 13, 2023 19:02:07 GMT -5
Keep them safe? You realize that the most common form of adult volleyball actually played is coed volleyball right? Women dig (and even block and hit) against men all the time. For the record she's also not the first, just the first you know about. |
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Post by donaldjamesparker on Dec 13, 2023 19:02:25 GMT -5
WTF? Ever see how hard a guy hits a volleyball? You wanna see one of the players on your favorite team take a slam to the face? If you want to be an advocate for women's sports - then you'll champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating "womens" sports. |
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Dec 13, 2023 19:02:37 GMT -5
I normally don't comment on threads like this, but I clicked the article because I was curious what it said. Maybe it's just me, but it sort of reads like it was written by a jealous parent with severe transphobia. Whether or not this athlete is actually trans I don't know for sure, but I will say that this paragraph was ringing the alarm for me:
"The source, who is the parent of a minor player within the Southern California Volleyball Association (SCVA) community, said suspicions were raised years ago when Drageset’s performance far surpassed that of his teammates. At the time, Drageset was 12-years-old but was playing against 14-year-old females in one effort to make up for his obvious advantages."
Imagine if we started investigating every talented young female athlete who was a little too good at their sport for being transgender. I don't know what the right answer is with regard to trans women in sports because I don't believe I am well informed enough to make decisions about that, but I do believe that this is the wrong way to address something. Shame on whoever wrote the article.
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Post by bootswiththefur on Dec 13, 2023 19:07:14 GMT -5
… feel free to log out and delete your account. I wonder if the OP is also the source mentioned for the article that they linked. Ugh, it's the Reduxx. A sort of quasi feminist outlet. Not sure if this is your intention, but I think its rather harmful to label a source that excludes trans women from its scope as feminist. The pursuit of gender equality between men and women is not helped by excluding certain subsets of the female population. |
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Post by bootswiththefur on Dec 13, 2023 19:11:04 GMT -5
WTF? Ever see how hard a guy hits a volleyball? You wanna see one of the players on your favorite team take a slam to the face? If you want to be an advocate for women's sports - then you'll champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating "womens" sports. Throughout my entire college career we regularly trained with male practice players and assistants. Training against folks with heavy arms makes everyone better and is common practice in collegiate volleyball. So yea, Wtf is right. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 13, 2023 19:13:19 GMT -5
WTF? Ever see how hard a guy hits a volleyball? You wanna see one of the players on your favorite team take a slam to the face? If you want to be an advocate for women's sports - then you'll champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating "womens" sports. Throughout my entire college career we regularly trained with male practice players and assistants. Training against folks with heavy arms makes everyone better and is common practice in collegiate volleyball. So yea, Wtf is right. yeah I don’t really wanna gives takes in this thread, but male practice players are sought out by every team in the nation. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 19:14:35 GMT -5
WTF? Ever see how hard a guy hits a volleyball? You wanna see one of the players on your favorite team take a slam to the face? If you want to be an advocate for women's sports - then you'll champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating "womens" sports. I think you have taken one too many “slams” to the face to be honest. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 13, 2023 19:19:20 GMT -5
That's fair. I will say that's what the whole conversation is about, though. If you would like to correct me as to a more polite way of phrasing the issue I'd be welcome to hear it. "transgendered person" maybe? Something that at least acknowledges that being transgender is only one part of who they are? I would lose the -ed as well. Referring to someone as “a transgender” turns a descriptive adjective into the noun. Additionally, using “transgendered” makes it sound like there was a one time event that led to change with the use of a past tense word. It would be similar to saying that I was “gayed.” |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Dec 13, 2023 19:19:46 GMT -5
Regardless the article is clearly transphobic and disgusting I don’t disagree. Is there another article out there that presents this topic in a better light? It’s a really topic worthy of discussion even if that article doesn’t do it in the right way. I only made it through two pages so this might have been touched on. What if we shift the argument away from the article and to the fact there will be a transgender play in the b1G in a few years. In lieu of the lawsuits bc of Lia Thomas, what action do you think the other schools and the fan bases will do? |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 13, 2023 19:24:58 GMT -5
I wonder if the OP is also the source mentioned for the article that they linked. Ugh, it's the Reduxx. A sort of quasi feminist outlet. Not sure if this is your intention, but I think it’s rather harmful to label a source that excludes trans women from its scope as feminist. The pursuit of gender equality between men and women is not helped by excluding certain subsets of the female population. There are a lot of forms of feminism that are not all the same. TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminism) is a very real and alive thing. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 13, 2023 19:33:45 GMT -5
WTF? Ever see how hard a guy hits a volleyball? You wanna see one of the players on your favorite team take a slam to the face? If you want to be an advocate for women's sports - then you'll champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating "womens" sports. Throughout my entire college career we regularly trained with male practice players and assistants. Training against folks with heavy arms makes everyone better and is common practice in collegiate volleyball. So yea, Wtf is right. Exactly this! I coach a girls club team and my players beg for me to play against them in practice because they want the challenge of trying to dig harder hit balls or going around a bigger block. No one is worried about the women going up against men in practice in just about every single program. It happens in other sports too, with many women’s basketball teams having practice squads composed of all guys. And they scrimmage and go hard against each other, with no fear that the men will hurt the women. Posing this as a safety issue is just an easy route into covering transphobic bias. No one has to “champion the effort to keep biological males from dominating women’s sports” because it’s already being self-regulated. We are not on the way to that happening, even with trans people being included in sports in many places. |
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Post by JT on Dec 13, 2023 19:36:46 GMT -5
I don’t disagree. Is there another article out there that presents this topic in a better light? It’s a really topic worthy of discussion even if that article doesn’t do it in the right way. I only made it through two pages so this might have been touched on. What if we shift the argument away from the article and to the fact there will be a transgender play in the b1G in a few years. In lieu of the lawsuits bc of Lia Thomas, what action do you think the other schools and the fan bases will do? With luck, clap politely (2x or 3x, depending on personal taste) and then cheer loudly for their team. “Be Loud, Be Proud, Be Golden.” (or the appropriate slogan/admonishment for other B1G teams.) |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 19:46:39 GMT -5
Regardless the article is clearly transphobic and disgusting I don’t disagree. Is there another article out there that presents this topic in a better light? It’s a really topic worthy of discussion even if that article doesn’t do it in the right way. It has been discussed multiple times on this forum and honestly I don’t think there’s anything new to say. |
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Dec 13, 2023 19:49:25 GMT -5
If she’s now going to be playing in the b1g this conversation is not going away
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Post by bballin on Dec 13, 2023 19:59:42 GMT -5
I predict lots of drama, controversy and court filings/appeals related to this. It ain't going away. Maybe she was outed, but that was basically a given under tbe circumstance. Transgendered female players are highly controversial. It will be interesting to see how the UW players react via the transfer portal, which allows dissent without voicing specific objection. Just wait until Wisconsin goes after the ucla mens team for their transfers.... 😉 |
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