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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 20:00:56 GMT -5
If she’s now going to be playing in the b1g this conversation is not going away It faded when Tia Thompson wanted to pursue playing with the national team. It faded when Tiffany was playing in Brazil. I think it will fade in this case too. |
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Post by mibadger on Dec 13, 2023 20:08:50 GMT -5
That article was the most awful thing I’ve read in a long time. By referring to her as a he continuously that article is just spewing hate. There’s a way to discuss issues like this but not when you open up by posting that pos article. |
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 13, 2023 20:29:08 GMT -5
If she’s now going to be playing in the b1g this conversation is not going away It faded when Tia Thompson wanted to pursue playing with the national team. It faded when Tiffany was playing in Brazil. I think it will fade in this case too. Tia Thompson never had any real shot at the Olympic team. Skill level is not even near D1 women’s volleyball. Tiffany in Brazil was actually a pretty big conversation. Much closer to being able to make the national team than Tia however I do believe she would have been beaten out or Ze (Brazil volleyball) just did not let it happen. This will probably be more like Lia Thomas however Lia’s transitions happened her junior year of college. NCAA needs to figure it out because the back and forth with athletes lives is wrong. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 20:34:48 GMT -5
It faded when Tia Thompson wanted to pursue playing with the national team. It faded when Tiffany was playing in Brazil. I think it will fade in this case too. Tia Thompson never had any real shot at the Olympic team. Skill level is not even near D1 women’s volleyball. Tiffany in Brazil was actually a pretty big conversation. Much closer to being able to make the national team than Tia however I do believe she would have been beaten out or Ze (Brazil volleyball) just did not let it happen. This will probably be more like Lia Thomas however Lia’s transitions happened her junior year of college. NCAA needs to figure it out because the back and forth with athletes lives is wrong. I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 20:38:46 GMT -5
I strongly advise that before anyone comment on such a sensitive issue that does not seem to be going away anytime soon do your research. There is no documented trans person showing up in any sport and absolutely dominating the competition. Why, cause it doesn’t exist. The topic is usually fueled by transphobic rhetoric and people who are grossly misinformed about the topic or issue at hand. Trans people like all people deserve to live their lives and exist they are not endangering other athletes by competing and many women practice with men or play with them consistently and constantly to get better or to gain a competitive advantage. When someone shows me a male at birth trans female who is simply outperforming their peers that they are sweeping the competition then maybe this conversation is worth revisiting but the fact remains most just want to be able to compete in a sport they love and enjoy. So is your bar the safety of women athletes and the competitor in question must “sweep” the competition in order for this to be a legitimate issue? Otherwise it’s a non issue and anyone who identifies as a woman should be able to compete with women regardless of what gender they were born as? I’m sorry if these questions seem accusatory or tricky. I do not intend them to be. I’m just trying to get clarification regarding your position. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 13, 2023 21:01:36 GMT -5
Tia Thompson never had any real shot at the Olympic team. Skill level is not even near D1 women’s volleyball. Tiffany in Brazil was actually a pretty big conversation. Much closer to being able to make the national team than Tia however I do believe she would have been beaten out or Ze (Brazil volleyball) just did not let it happen. This will probably be more like Lia Thomas however Lia’s transitions happened her junior year of college. NCAA needs to figure it out because the back and forth with athletes lives is wrong. I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. You can’t figure out something as polarizing as this. |
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Post by bou on Dec 13, 2023 21:04:16 GMT -5
I wonder if the OP is also the source mentioned for the article that they linked. Ugh, it's the Reduxx. A sort of quasi feminist outlet. Not sure if this is your intention, but I think its rather harmful to label a source that excludes trans women from its scope as feminist. The pursuit of gender equality between men and women is not helped by excluding certain subsets of the female population. My intention was draw scrutiny to their self labeling their outlet as feminist, when it's actually not. Maybe fake is a better word than quasi, my mistake and I'll choose better, I'll go back and fix it. The titling is an obvious signal that they aren't true feminists XX=Female. Also suspicious to me that a new account would post a link to such an obscure outlet where the source of the article is a parent of another athlete competing against the transperson mentioned. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 13, 2023 21:04:22 GMT -5
Tia Thompson never had any real shot at the Olympic team. Skill level is not even near D1 women’s volleyball. Tiffany in Brazil was actually a pretty big conversation. Much closer to being able to make the national team than Tia however I do believe she would have been beaten out or Ze (Brazil volleyball) just did not let it happen. This will probably be more like Lia Thomas however Lia’s transitions happened her junior year of college. NCAA needs to figure it out because the back and forth with athletes lives is wrong. I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. The NCAA already has a policy in place. |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 21:11:18 GMT -5
I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. The NCAA already has a policy in place. Is that the same as saying it won’t go to court? Should we talk about all the policies the NCAA has that are taken to court and how poorly those policies fare? |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 21:14:21 GMT -5
I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. You can’t figure out something as polarizing as this. That’s my feeling exactly. I would like to have a civil conversation about it, though. I don’t want to browbeat anyone for thinking differently than I do. I feel like there are a lot of legitimate reasons to have a differing view. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:15:22 GMT -5
Take your hateful and disgusting rhetoric and elsewhere. This board is about volleyball and is no place for you to post articles from an openly transphobic news source openly slamming a teenage girl. People like you are a pitiful example of supporting women sports. I guess maybe you people will get it when does it start to be broken and serious injuries occur. But yet you people are supposed to care about women? Is that a joke? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:16:44 GMT -5
Either way, this topic is clearly going to be recycled on plenty of other platforms, not sure why it needed to be brought to volleytalk? Nothing good will come out of it trust. because it affects women’s college volleyball lol Yes it does in the worst possible way for women. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 13, 2023 21:17:00 GMT -5
I don’t think the NCAA will figure it out. It will be figured out in the courts no matter what direction the NCAA goes in. One side or the other will sue. Probably both sides. We’re also a long ways from figuring out a civil way of having this conversation, never mind how we want to handle it as a society. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or there won’t be some kind of resolution. But I don’t think it will be in my lifetime. The NCAA already has a policy in place. I suppose someone is welcome to try, but it's inaccurate to say the NCAA won't figure it out because it's been figuring this stuff out for more than a decade. |
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Post by odinaka on Dec 13, 2023 21:17:10 GMT -5
You’re a disgusting piece of crap! Do you know anything about this young girl? Do you know her medical or family history? What gives you the right to spew your hate on her? You need to shut this down now! |
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 13, 2023 21:18:20 GMT -5
This is Holiday. He’s a troll, y’all.
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