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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:56:36 GMT -5
It think it’s you cherry picking. Everyone wants to pick things out that support their narrative The dreaded, “I know you are but what am I?” response. Please provide a full summary of Lia’s pre-transition rankings. I have cited a number of examples in this thread and provided context. That’s much less cherry picking than what you have done. I can link article after article and you will still call in cherry picking. Or somehow try to justify their source being legit and yours not. I’m not gonna do that. You can google and find plenty of articles that back the one I sent |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 15:56:47 GMT -5
I appreciate your insight. I don’t personally think it’s hate. Yes, you can claim that you are a grown a$$ woman… (go ahead you can have that… ) but there are actual biological grown a$$ women who have been through the motions of being a little girl* and growing into the body of a biological woman. You CAN’T say that you have been through the same motions like biological women. You can’t say that you’ve gone through the emotions of having menstrual cycles like majority of these biological women.** You have an entirely different journey, so you comparing yourself to a biological women is invalid. You can claim yourself as a trans-woman or a woman as you please, but you’re not a biological woman. You’ve been modified and transitioned into one and that’s just the facts. I’ll respect you as a woman but that doesn’t justify why transgender women should be accepted to receive scholarships over biological women. I’ll help you protest for a trans-woman category and support you as a trans-woman or a woman, but don’t force anyone to think that transgender women are the equivalent to biological women. That won’t fly with everyone and that’s something you need to understand. PS I am a gay individual. *Are you referring to the social implications of femininity and womanhood? **Trans women can experience the emotional impact of hormone regulation and many do experience similar cycles, just without the bleeding. But there are also many women who don't experience menstrual cycles naturally, so connecting menstruation to womanhood is already invalid. You've seemed to create this notion that all biological women have the same or similar experiences to one another, which completely ignores the idea of intersectionality. PS, letting us know you are gay doesn't give you a free transphobe pass. I’m not looking for a transphobe pass.. like I’ve stated I respected this person as a woman. Do I have to accept her as a biological woman..?? NOT AT ALL. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:58:40 GMT -5
It think it’s you cherry picking. Everyone wants to pick things out that support their narrative The dreaded, “I know you are but what am I?” response. Please provide a full summary of Lia’s pre-transition rankings. I have cited a number of examples in this thread and provided context. That’s much less cherry picking than what you have done. Boof won't do that because providing sources or data is worthless to him. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 21, 2023 15:58:43 GMT -5
You literally are trying to discount my opinions as a trans person and center yourself and your opinions instead of actually listening. There is no such thing as “I respect you as a woman but I don’t believe in your equality.” You can take your fake respect somewhere else. Fine with me but not everyone has to accept your mentality as well. You’re a trans-woman and not a biological one and that’s the facts. The fact that he identifies himself as a trans person and not a woman he clearly knows where his stance is. This issue is not about trans people entering sports, but the fact that a trans person wants to play in a gender not of his own. If he wants to play college volleyball then he should go to the men’s league. That’s plain and simple. I can’tunderstand why some people are having a hard time understanding this very simple fact? Men = men’s sports Women’s = women’s sports Period! |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 15:59:25 GMT -5
*Are you referring to the social implications of femininity and womanhood? **Trans women can experience the emotional impact of hormone regulation and many do experience similar cycles, just without the bleeding. But there are also many women who don't experience menstrual cycles naturally, so connecting menstruation to womanhood is already invalid. You've seemed to create this notion that all biological women have the same or similar experiences to one another, which completely ignores the idea of intersectionality. PS, letting us know you are gay doesn't give you a free transphobe pass. I’m not looking for a transphobe pass.. like I’ve stated I respected this person as a woman. Do I have to accept her as a biological woman..?? NOT AT ALL. Okay great, now about the other points made... |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 21, 2023 15:59:28 GMT -5
The dreaded, “I know you are but what am I?” response. Please provide a full summary of Lia’s pre-transition rankings. I have cited a number of examples in this thread and provided context. That’s much less cherry picking than what you have done. I can link article after article and you will still call in cherry picking. I’m not gonna do that. You can google and find plenty of articles that back the one I sent And many (if not more) from reputable journalistic sources that discount it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 15:59:44 GMT -5
A select few? lol. Just because someone doesn’t have the same values or same views doesn’t mean they hate a person. Just because I don’t believe in terms like trans doesn’t mean a hate an individual it just means we see things differently. I very much think they exist as a person and hope all the best for them I just don’t agree in the terminology. Equating that to hating someone I could consider bullying. If you don’t see things this way then you’re a hateful dangerous homophobe. Now that way of thinking is what’s dangerous. So if you believe trans people exist, but don't believe in terms used to describe them, what would be better language? You have not been arguing pragmatics at all in this thread, so that is an interesting switch up. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying I will give them every respect as a human being I can without compromising my own values. That I don’t see trans as a thing. It’s not that the individual themself doesnt exist. I don’t believe in the concept of trans. That person exists to me a a human individual in whatever they were born |
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Post by TayRey on Dec 21, 2023 16:00:28 GMT -5
Tokenism at its finest huh? I can’t speak for trans people but you can? Just because there are a select few who “don’t think it’s hate” doesn’t erase the majority of those who find blatant transphobia hate. I guarantee that the majority of trans people find misgendering and and denying access to equality to be hateful. 🙄🙄🙄 A select few? lol. Just because someone doesn’t have the same values or same views doesn’t mean they hate a person. Just because I don’t believe in terms like trans doesn’t mean a hate an individual it just means we see things differently. I very much think they exist as a person and hope all the best for them I just don’t agree in the terminology. Equating that to hating someone I could consider bullying. If you don’t see things this way then you’re a hateful dangerous transaphobe . Now that way of thinking is what’s dangerous. I was responding to their assumption about trans people and their view on trans access to sports. But if this is your coming out post as a trans woman who disagrees with me then… congrats I guess 😂🏳️⚧️ |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 16:01:12 GMT -5
I’m not looking for a transphobe pass.. like I’ve stated I respected this person as a woman. Do I have to accept her as a biological woman..?? NOT AT ALL. Okay great, now about the other points made...
Also, lol at claiming their posts demonstrate respect towards Tate as a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:01:13 GMT -5
The dreaded, “I know you are but what am I?” response. Please provide a full summary of Lia’s pre-transition rankings. I have cited a number of examples in this thread and provided context. That’s much less cherry picking than what you have done. Boof won't do that because providing sources or data is worthless to him. Just stop. I did yesterday and I have in past and every time I do it’s the same thing. You’re cherry picking. Provide more info. It doesn’t matter how much I provide it won’t matter it will be labeled as cherry picking by anyone who doesn’t agree with the info. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 16:01:57 GMT -5
Fine with me but not everyone has to accept your mentality as well. You’re a trans-woman and not a biological one and that’s the facts. The fact that he identifies himself as a trans person and not a woman he clearly knows where his stance is. This issue is not about trans people entering sports, but the fact that a trans person wants to play in a gender not of his own. If he wants to play college volleyball then he should go to the men’s league. That’s plain and simple. I can’tunderstand why some people are having a hard time understanding this very simple fact? Men = men’s sports Women’s = women’s sports Period! I think the intentional language you are using here shows that this is not just an issue about trans people in sports but rather the existence of trans people in general. |
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Post by medusa on Dec 21, 2023 16:02:01 GMT -5
Read your post and tell me there's no politics in your comments. Every post in this thread is political. How dense are you? LMAO |
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Post by TayRey on Dec 21, 2023 16:02:25 GMT -5
Fine with me but not everyone has to accept your mentality as well. You’re a trans-woman and not a biological one and that’s the facts. The fact that he identifies himself as a trans person and not a woman he clearly knows where his stance is. This issue is not about trans people entering sports, but the fact that a trans person wants to play in a gender not of his own. If he wants to play college volleyball then he should go to the men’s league. That’s plain and simple. I can’tunderstand why some people are having a hard time understanding this very simple fact? Men = men’s sports Women’s = women’s sports Period! She. SHEEEEEE Disagree all you want but stop being hateful and transphobic. You can disagree without being a bigot. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 16:04:12 GMT -5
Boof won't do that because providing sources or data is worthless to him. Just stop. I did yesterday and I have in past and every time I do it’s the same thing. You’re cherry picking. Provide more info. It doesn’t matter how much I provide it won’t matter it will be labeled as cherry picking by anyone who doesn’t agree with the info. I've seen you be called out more here for not using enough data and facts rather than including any. Cherry picking is the least of the worries here. |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 16:04:19 GMT -5
I’m not looking for a transphobe pass.. like I’ve stated I respected this person as a woman. Do I have to accept her as a biological woman..?? NOT AT ALL. Okay great, now about the other points made... What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 |
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