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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 16:04:49 GMT -5
So if you believe trans people exist, but don't believe in terms used to describe them, what would be better language? You have not been arguing pragmatics at all in this thread, so that is an interesting switch up. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying I will give them every respect as a human being I can without compromising my own values. That I don’t see trans as a thing. It’s not that the individual themself doesnt exist. I don’t believe in the concept of trans. That person exists to me a a human individual in whatever they were born
It legitimately doesn't matter whether you "believe in the concept of trans" (lmao what a joke) when trans people indisputably exist and are valid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:06:45 GMT -5
Just stop. I did yesterday and I have in past and every time I do it’s the same thing. You’re cherry picking. Provide more info. It doesn’t matter how much I provide it won’t matter it will be labeled as cherry picking by anyone who doesn’t agree with the info. I've seen you be called out more here for not using enough data and facts rather than including any. Cherry picking is the least of the worries here. Ok god. All hail to you I must be wrong about everything. The only way to win an argument against stupid people is to stop playing. Congrats. I’m done playing. Saw what you want |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 16:06:54 GMT -5
Okay great, now about the other points made... What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 TIL cis women don't take hormones! |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 16:07:22 GMT -5
I've seen you be called out more here for not using enough data and facts rather than including any. Cherry picking is the least of the worries here. All hail to you I must be wrong about everything.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:07:32 GMT -5
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying I will give them every respect as a human being I can without compromising my own values. That I don’t see trans as a thing. It’s not that the individual themself doesnt exist. I don’t believe in the concept of trans. That person exists to me a a human individual in whatever they were born
It legitimately doesn't matter whether you "believe in the concept of trans" (lmao what a joke) when trans people indisputably exist and are valid.
According to who? You understand each person perceives things differently. It absolutely matters what I believe to me. That’s the only thing that matters. Not what others believe cause I’m not them im me |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 16:07:34 GMT -5
Okay great, now about the other points made... What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 If I must copy and paste for you... *Are you referring to the social implications of femininity and womanhood? **Trans women can experience the emotional impact of hormone regulation and many do experience similar cycles, just without the bleeding. But there are also many women who don't experience menstrual cycles naturally, so connecting menstruation to womanhood is already invalid. You've seemed to create this notion that all biological women have the same or similar experiences to one another, which completely ignores the idea of intersectionality. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2023 16:07:36 GMT -5
Seriously, why are we arguing with Boof. No one has ever been able to have a legitimate discussion with him about anything. He's functionally a troll, though I don't know if he understands it.
If you want him to stop talking about this, start insulting Micha Hancock's setting location.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:11:36 GMT -5
Seriously, why are we arguing with Boof. No one has ever been able to have a legitimate discussion with him about anything. He's functionally a troll, though I don't know if he understands it. If you want him to stop talking about this, start insulting Micha Hancock's setting location. Here we go. The moral superior complex. You do realize it’s normally the humble ones that are most respected and most them don’t get into these conversations. Most on here are trolls that argue. I can put myself in there but I also can many others the difference is many others will never admit it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:13:15 GMT -5
Okay great, now about the other points made... What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 Really what it equates to is that non XX chromosome females believe that they are equal to and should have the same treatment when it comes to athletic sports as xx chromosome biologically born females. Never mind that, more and more across some womens sports, transgender athletes are starting to dominate when it comes to winning the achievement aspect of said sports. The lgbtqia+ community brazenly have dismissed the circumstances of the affected athletes impacted by trans athletes and have in almost every case personally attacked those holding different views then they have in forums like these. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 16:17:42 GMT -5
I've seen you be called out more here for not using enough data and facts rather than including any. Cherry picking is the least of the worries here. Ok god. All hail to you I must be wrong about everything. The only way to win an argument against stupid people is to stop playing. Congrats. I’m done playing. Saw what you want Sure, name calling. That’s always a sign you have lost the argument or have no valid argument Name calling is a sure fire way to know you have lost an argument. Another example of you running away as soon as your "belief" is challenged by asking for backing. And contradicting yourself in the process. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 16:20:56 GMT -5
What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 TIL cis women don't take hormones! All those muscled men in the gym who take testosterone to grow their muscles must be trans. I mean they are using gender affirming care right? |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 16:21:23 GMT -5
What points? That just because trans women take hormones they should be equals to biological women? 🙄 Really what it equates to is that non XX chromosome females believe that they are equal to and should have the same treatment when it comes to athletic sports as xx chromosome biologically born females. Never mind that, more and more across some womens sports, transgender athletes are starting to dominate when it comes to winning the achievement aspect of said sports. The lgbtqia+ community brazenly have dismissed the circumstances of the affected athletes impacted by trans athletes and have in almost every case personally attacked those holding different views then they have in forums like these. If bigots don't want to be labelled bigots, maybe they should actually respond to points instead of relying on backwards and hateful prejudices, and misinformation. When y'all double down on your views, you deserve every name in the book. Stop being snowflakes because y'all can't make valid points.
Btw, completely shocked this is your stance based on your expert handling of sex, gender, and pronouns in the past lol. Where did that signature go?
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Post by raian13 on Dec 21, 2023 16:27:18 GMT -5
The fact that he identifies himself as a trans person and not a woman he clearly knows where his stance is. This issue is not about trans people entering sports, but the fact that a trans person wants to play in a gender not of his own. If he wants to play college volleyball then he should go to the men’s league. That’s plain and simple. I can’tunderstand why some people are having a hard time understanding this very simple fact? Men = men’s sports Women’s = women’s sports Period! I think the intentional language you are using here shows that this is not just an issue about trans people in sports but rather the existence of trans people in general. Hmmm. I acknowledge that they exist yes. They have free access to basic necessities yes. But this is a case wherein they want to take advantage of their physical abilities to be successful with something they could not attain otherwise if they have to follow the conventional route. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 16:27:30 GMT -5
Really what it equates to is that non XX chromosome females believe that they are equal to and should have the same treatment when it comes to athletic sports as xx chromosome biologically born females. Never mind that, more and more across some womens sports, transgender athletes are starting to dominate when it comes to winning the achievement aspect of said sports. The lgbtqia+ community brazenly have dismissed the circumstances of the affected athletes impacted by trans athletes and have in almost every case personally attacked those holding different views then they have in forums like these. If bigots don't want to be labelled bigots, maybe they should actually respond to points instead of relying on backwards and hateful prejudices, and misinformation. When y'all double down on your views, you deserve every name in the book. Stop being snowflakes because y'all can't make valid points.
Btw, completely shocked this is your stance based on your expert handling of sex, gender, and pronouns in the past lol. Where did that signature go?
Nothing about my stance is demeaning, harrassing or the like. The signature I used to have was regarding my desire to want terms to describe us collectively that are not demeaning. Judging by your latest reply to me you are ALL for it. The point of that signature was to throw shade back at whichever community was taking liberties with the thoughtless manner in which they were treating fellow forum posters. |
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Post by raian13 on Dec 21, 2023 16:27:49 GMT -5
@vt Five-0
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