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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 21, 2023 18:50:02 GMT -5
That's absurd. "Sex" may have been used more frequently to distinguish between male/female, but gender was used in the same manner. If the concept of non-binary is ancient, can you refer me to some ancient texts in which "non-binary sex" is used? Thanks for confirming my earlier statement about the corruption of the language as a frequent tactic by radicals to advance their agendas. However, it began before the feminists of the 60s and 70s began burning their bras. You can Google Madson Bentley and John Money for further reference. Can you shut tf up and go celebrate your pickup of Jurevicius? JFC why do you have so much energy to put into being an awful human being? Cause the citadel lost and didnt make the tourney so they are bitter they lost in the FIRST round of the NIVC LMAO |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 18:54:23 GMT -5
This is basically arguing that she can't have a scholarship of any sort as a trans person though. Hormone therapy takes her out of the running as a male, and as a trans female she can't participate either? Isn't this what happens with trans men as well? Or do they usually prioritize their ability to play sports over medically transitioning? I get the question, but you’re asking for generalizations of a situation that is extremely nuanced. I’d say it’s all case by case. |
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Post by VB48 on Dec 21, 2023 18:54:57 GMT -5
Difficult to find a way to make things "fair" in cases like hers. She went through puberty and is XY, giving her an advantage over XX competitors that cannot be overcome by nutrition and/or training. I believe that the policy in place forces her to lower her testosterone if she wants to compete in the women's category. What’s your proof she went through puberty as boy before starting hormone therapy? I said that she went through puberty as XY because she is XY. In her book she says that she first faced scrutiny over her sex when she was 18, and had never undergone any hormone suppressing treatment until after |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 21, 2023 18:56:21 GMT -5
She's not dominating to the level that everyone is making a big stink about. She's a good California volleyball player, but it's not like she's the best female player in the country. It's a silly argument from the playing side. If taken to its logical conclusion, it would destroy women's sports, in my opinion. That's the whole point. Since the first case of a trans athlete competing in women’s sports in the late 70s, women’s sports hasn’t been destroyed and there are a handful of trans athletes anyone knows of. A handful, in 45+ years. So at a rate of a handful of athletes per 50 years or so I bet women’s sports will be around for quite a while. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2023 18:56:58 GMT -5
This is basically arguing that she can't have a scholarship of any sort as a trans person though. Hormone therapy takes her out of the running as a male, and as a trans female she can't participate either? Isn't this what happens with trans men as well? Or do they usually prioritize their ability to play sports over medically transitioning? I don't understand your point. A women transitioning to be a trans male athlete would have the opposite problem. Hormone therapy would likely make them more competitive in the woman's sphere in many (but not all) sports, but not when they started competing as a man. I don't hear anyone talking about that case - though there was the trans male wrestler in Kentucky forced to compete as a woman. That was a situation where adherence to strict and inviable male and female binary resulted in a competitive advantage the trans athlete didn't even want. They wanted to compete as a male. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 21, 2023 18:57:45 GMT -5
She's not dominating to the level that everyone is making a big stink about. She's a good California volleyball player, but it's not like she's the best female player in the country. It's a silly argument from the playing side. If taken to its logical conclusion, it would destroy women's sports, in my opinion. That's the whole point. What logical conclusion? |
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Post by molokaiboi on Dec 21, 2023 18:58:26 GMT -5
Yes they are people who are stronger than others but it matters when it comes to biological sexes.Why? Because women’s volleyball has been that way for decades. Why do people have to put up with this nonsense because transgender people feel excluded? Why do we have to consider them as women just because they take hormones? |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 21, 2023 18:59:14 GMT -5
What’s your proof she went through puberty as boy before starting hormone therapy? I said that she went through puberty as XY because she is XY. In her book she says that she first faced scrutiny over her sex when she was 18, and had never undergone any hormone suppressing treatment until after I thought this was about the UW recruit. Got my wires crossed there - sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 19:01:15 GMT -5
I don't really think the argument is about domination or skill. It seems in this case it's about a biological male taking a scholarship from a biological female. (At least that was the initial reaction I read, which is now moot as she no longer has the scholarship offer to UW). This is basically arguing that she can't have a scholarship of any sort as a trans person though. Hormone therapy takes her out of the running as a male, and as a trans female she can't participate either? I don't know what the answer is. It seems like one of those issues that really has no happy medium. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 19:03:13 GMT -5
I don't really think the argument is about domination or skill. It seems in this case it's about a biological male taking a scholarship from a biological female. (At least that was the initial reaction I read, which is now moot as she no longer has the scholarship offer to UW). "How can’t people see that if this is allowed to continue the way it is biological women’s sports will be over. It will be overtaken by males pretending to be females." There's been many arguments made about domination. When that actually becomes the issue it will be worth discussing. This thread is regarding one specific individual that does not fit the domination category. |
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 21, 2023 19:08:49 GMT -5
"How can’t people see that if this is allowed to continue the way it is biological women’s sports will be over. It will be overtaken by males pretending to be females." There's been many arguments made about domination. When that actually becomes the issue it will be worth discussing. This thread is regarding one specific individual that does not fit the domination category. Sure, but it hasn’t stopped the argument from coming up within judgement of this specific individual. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2023 19:18:24 GMT -5
Because women’s volleyball has been that way for decades. Why do people have to put up with this nonsense because transgender people feel excluded? Why do we have to consider them as women just because they take hormones? This sounds exactly like the arguments people used to make against women's sport generally. Why change things just because some people feel excluded from sports? I remember that well. That was a much bigger deal. I just don't understand why this is such a big deal. We're not talking 50% of the population, but only ~1% at best. There are policies, paths to allow trans people to play fairly. The women competing don't have to do anything different. That burden is on the transitioning men and women. |
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Post by donut on Dec 21, 2023 19:21:38 GMT -5
Because women’s volleyball has been that way for decades. Ok now try actually answering my question. Couldn't even keep up the facade for like 2 pages, huh? like I’ve stated I respected this person as a woman. |
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Post by medusa on Dec 21, 2023 19:22:13 GMT -5
I support the LGBQ community, but Iam against transgenders in women sports for one reason. Even though trans take Harmone pills, they still are more powerful than biological females. Thats my opinion. But to hate Trans for being trans is another topic.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 21, 2023 21:01:16 GMT -5
I support the LGBQ community, but Iam against transgenders in women sports for one reason. Even though trans take Harmone pills, they still are more powerful than biological females. Thats my opinion. But to hate Trans for being trans is another topic. People keep saying this, and I'm not sure I've seen any data to support it. It just feels like an assumption. And more powerful than all biological females? Better performing than what proportion of females? Even when additional guidelines regarding hormone levels are met? Just feels like ghost stories. |
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