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Post by sunset on Dec 13, 2023 21:42:20 GMT -5
I strongly advise that before anyone comment on such a sensitive issue that does not seem to be going away anytime soon do your research. There is no documented trans person showing up in any sport and absolutely dominating the competition. Why, cause it doesn’t exist. . This is an honest question: Have you looked into transgender cyclists? I follow men’s pro cycling and periodically see stories (sorry, I know this is generalized, but I don’t follow women’s cycling in detail) of two out of five of the winners are trans, the winner wins by 5 minutes (this past summer), the cyclist says she delayed competing in a category so that there would not potentially be two trans cyclists in the top 5, etc. It seems it could be difficult to assert there is no dominant trans cyclist, or that trans cyclists are not dominant as a group. On the flip side, with the 5 minute winner that I mentioned we’d have to consider if the weather suddenly changed, what was the level of her competition in that particular race, etc. Again, not meaning to challenge, but have you also done complete research into all/most/many sports to make your assertion? Is the criteria, in your mind, that one specific cyclist has to consistently be on the podium, or is the criteria that no matter who from race to race, there is always a trans cyclist on the podium? What percentage of female competitive cyclists are trans? Are we starting with the same definitions? If 5% of female cyclists are trans and 15% of podium finishers over the course of the season are trans, is that dominance? Who is making these guidelines before discussing any conclusions? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:47:08 GMT -5
Just because you have difficulty arguing out of a paper bag off the net, does not mean you’re going to win over here either. what should be done? to be fair to everyone involved create divisions specifically for this situation. Create a transgender sport and give it the integrity and importance like every other sport. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 21:47:58 GMT -5
Is your reading comprehension really that bad? Reread. I think getting hysterical and bullying people is shameful. It needs to be talked about, especially if you respect women and their sports programs. Of course anyone with a brain would know that this will eventually ruin women’s sports but you people are so self involved in your progressive ideals you can’t possibly see that. You’re not capable. How many years have you been posting about trans athletes destroying women’s sports now? |
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 13, 2023 21:49:36 GMT -5
Come on, people. Stop feeding the troll. We are better than this.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:53:23 GMT -5
I think getting hysterical and bullying people is shameful. It needs to be talked about, especially if you respect women and their sports programs. Of course anyone with a brain would know that this will eventually ruin women’s sports but you people are so self involved in your progressive ideals you can’t possibly see that. You’re not capable. How many years have you been posting about trans athletes destroying women’s sports now? Is the truth difficult for you? Was the Lia Thomas situation fair to the women who had trained their entire lives to compete? Lea was 6'4" with a wingspan that was impressive. The sheer length and strength of a genetic male gives them a huge advantage. I tell you what shocks me the most. The people, gay and progressive especially, that have fought tooth and nail for the equal-ness and integrity of womens sports are now going down this path. If you privately asked the majority of women athletes how they feel what do you think they would say? Because you all care about women....right? Prove it. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 13, 2023 21:54:45 GMT -5
How many years have you been posting about trans athletes destroying women’s sports now? Is the truth difficult for you? Was the Lea Thompson situation fair to the women who had trained their entire lives to compete? Lea was 6'4" with a wingspan that was impressive. The sheer length and strength of a genetic male gives them a huge advantage. I tell you what shocks me the most. The people, gay and progressive especially, that have fought tooth and nail for the equal-ness and integrity of womens sports are now going down this path. If you privately asked the majority of women athletes how they feel what do you think they would say? Because you all care about women....right? Prove it.  |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:55:00 GMT -5
Come on, people. Stop feeding the troll. We are better than this. Nope..you are really not because you really don't have the courage to tackle this. You all think bullying posters like a bunch of alley cats hissing and shaming is somehow honoring these trans athletes? Its not. |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 21:55:58 GMT -5
How many years have you been posting about trans athletes destroying women’s sports now? Is the truth difficult for you? Was the Lea Thompson situation fair to the women who had trained their entire lives to compete? Lea was 6'4" with a wingspan that was impressive. The sheer length and strength of a genetic male gives them a huge advantage. I tell you what shocks me the most. The people, gay and progressive especially, that have fought tooth and nail for the equal-ness and integrity of womens sports are now going down this path. If you privately asked the majority of women athletes how they feel what do you think they would say? Because you all care about women....right? Prove it. Thanks for answering my simple question. Who is Lea Thompson? |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 21:57:10 GMT -5
Is the truth difficult for you? Was the Lea Thompson situation fair to the women who had trained their entire lives to compete? Lea was 6'4" with a wingspan that was impressive. The sheer length and strength of a genetic male gives them a huge advantage. I tell you what shocks me the most. The people, gay and progressive especially, that have fought tooth and nail for the equal-ness and integrity of womens sports are now going down this path. If you privately asked the majority of women athletes how they feel what do you think they would say? Because you all care about women....right? Prove it. Thanks for answering my simple question. Who is Lea Thompson? Lia Thomas.... I am waiting? Well? |
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 13, 2023 21:58:19 GMT -5
Come on, people. Stop feeding the troll. We are better than this. Nope..you are really not because you really don't have the courage to tackle this. You all think bullying posters like a bunch of alley cats hissing and shaming is somehow honoring these trans athletes? Its not. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could have a nuanced and intelligent conversation about this. I am also 100% sure you aren't one of them. |
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 13, 2023 22:00:12 GMT -5
Nope..you are really not because you really don't have the courage to tackle this. You all think bullying posters like a bunch of alley cats hissing and shaming is somehow honoring these trans athletes? Its not. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could have a nuance and intelligent conversation about this. I am also 100% sure you aren't one of them. It would have never gotten to that because honestly you progressives are not capable of having a direct discussion without coming completely unglued? Look how this thread creator was treated? Shall we look down over the comments and see how respectful you all were toward someone asking a perfectly valid question? Shall we? |
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 13, 2023 22:00:43 GMT -5
Thanks for answering my simple question. Who is Lea Thompson? Lia Thomas.... I am waiting? Well? I am waiting for women’s sports to be destroyed … Seems like it should have happened a long time ago, by your logic. I am so sad that of the 10 highest paid women athletes in the world, 8 are transwomen because in 1976 Renee Richards single-handedly destroyed women’s tennis. |
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Post by holms on Dec 13, 2023 22:01:50 GMT -5
I'm sure there are plenty of people who could have a nuance and intelligent conversation about this. I am also 100% sure you aren't one of them. It would have never gotten to that because honestly you progressives are not capable of having a direct discussion without coming completely unglued? Look how this thread creator was treated? Shall we look down over the comments and see how respectful you all were toward someone asking a perfectly valid question? Shall we? Who in this thread could possibly be the most unglued? Could it be the guy who has posted 45 times already? |
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Post by staticb on Dec 13, 2023 22:05:04 GMT -5
This is an honest question: Have you looked into transgender cyclists? I follow men’s pro cycling and periodically see stories (sorry, I know this is generalized, but I don’t follow women’s cycling in detail) of two out of five of the winners are trans, the winner wins by 5 minutes (this past summer), the cyclist says she delayed competing in a category so that there would not potentially be two trans cyclists in the top 5, etc. It seems it could be difficult to assert there is no dominant trans cyclist, or that trans cyclists are not dominant as a group. On the flip side, with the 5 minute winner that I mentioned we’d have to consider if the weather suddenly changed, what was the level of her competition in that particular race, etc. Again, not meaning to challenge, but have you also done complete research into all/most/many sports to make your assertion? Is the criteria, in your mind, that one specific cyclist has to consistently be on the podium, or is the criteria that no matter who from race to race, there is always a trans cyclist on the podium? What percentage of female competitive cyclists are trans? Are we starting with the same definitions? If 5% of female cyclists are trans and 15% of podium finishers over the course of the season are trans, is that dominance? Who is making these guidelines before discussing any conclusions? I think one issue is that USA Cycling has a "self inclusion" meaning anyone can identify as what gender they choose (and switch at any time). This can be problematic and isn't the same as the NCAA or the Olympics (or some professional leagues) which have strict testosterone/hormone levels that can't be monitored. (And I kind of understand why they do it since no one is making in money in Cycling and most of the events people are complaining about are basically for bragging rights) In any case, I do think that cycling (and volleyball) are two sports they could can "get right" in the sense they can find the right level of hormone regulation so you are "roughly the same" before transition of either gender. As a side note, I watched the athlete's in question's HUDL videos--she's very good, but anyone who is making a safety argument is being ridiculous. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 13, 2023 22:05:40 GMT -5
For clarification I do not claim to have all the answers but the oppositions argument seems to consistently be that their goal is to protect the integrity of the sport being discussed, volleyball or other.
Trans atheletes do not possess some superhuman advantage that is allowing them to just dominate any sport they participate in they have to practice, train work hard and have talent.
It’s such a weak argument cause even when trans athletes win their is documented cases of them losing to people who are born of the same gender they are competing in. I don’t think any single person would choose a life that offers more hurdles, hate and challenges just to gain an advantage in sport so the argument for me is none. Also in order to fully transition lots of those who transition have to see doctors and therapists or psychologists before even given access to hormone blockers or enhancers. To me it’s all based in misunderstanding and misinformation. Why would you not want your daughter or son to not compete against a trans athlete?
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