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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 16, 2023 14:39:49 GMT -5
The back row in 21 also had Georgia Civita, and Izzy doing three rotations of just defense and serving, as well as handling the second ball if Sid took the first. Those were elite DS ladies. Plus, Jocelyn would step in occasionally as well. And when Izzy was in the back we were rarely out of system, since we had our backup setter taking the second ball. That gives the 2021 back row not just an advantage, but like a tenfold dominance over the 2023 one. We haven't had a back row like that since 2021, and it shows. (And I'm not complaining, because I do think the 6-2 was the best choice for our players, but all of the 2021 bigs commented that they would not have won if it wasn't for their littles) Wait, I thought Izzy was Rettke's serving sub that year. Are you thinking about 2019? Maybe I'm misremembering. 2019 was Haggerty (Dodge) / Loberg (Barnes) Rettke / Hart Hilley / Duello (Ashburn) Clark 2021 was Loberg (Civita) / Orzoł Robinson / Rettke (Ashburn) Hilley / Smrek (Demps) Barnes
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 16, 2023 14:40:37 GMT -5
Wait, I thought Izzy was Rettke's serving sub that year. Are you thinking about 2019? Maybe I'm misremembering. I am almost positive Izzy was Lohberg's DS. That was Civita when she wasn't hurt. Demps played BR for Smrek. Orzol was 6 ro. Izzy was only on for half a rotation serving before Barnes came on for her. Barnes served for the other middle.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 16, 2023 14:45:59 GMT -5
Wait, I thought Izzy was Rettke's serving sub that year. Are you thinking about 2019? Maybe I'm misremembering. I am almost positive Izzy was Lohberg's DS. EDIT: looks like I was wrong 😂 It's OK. That kind of thing freaks me out because I begin wondering if I imagined all the conversations we had about the lineup and Rettke's serve that year. It's too early for dementia to set in!
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 14:47:49 GMT -5
The thing about 2021 was that - per Punzel's book - Wisconsin used 14 different lineups during a 14 week regular season, because of the Hart and Civita injuries, etc. Saying "the 2021 lineup was..." can only really be done with a half-dozen qualifiers.
(And for whatever reason, Boyer's role always get left out or forgotten. She played in 92 of 122 sets played that year. Gio had 167 digs during that season, Boyer had 164.)
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Post by swaggyp on Dec 16, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5
Yes to this.
If Barnes is on the court in place of GG, Badgers beat Texas; Discuss.
As far as "beating Texas", we entered the Twilight Zone. Texas was going to win, we were going to lose. GG led the team with 13 digs, and was easily the best UW server, BTW. We did NOT lost because of GG. (Worse Twilight Zone episode EVER!) Yeah I think I agree with this. If you are going to point to a single player as the reason Bucky lost, her name is Madi Skinner. But also that Texas team is just on a heater right now. That libero played out of her mind and Jenna Wenaas, who I understand all the Texas fans are terrified of, was lights out.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 14:52:11 GMT -5
Yes to this.
If Barnes is on the court in place of GG, Badgers beat Texas; Discuss.
As far as "beating Texas", we entered the Twilight Zone. Texas was going to win, we were going to lose. GG led the team with 13 digs, and was easily the best UW server, BTW. We did NOT lost because of GG. (Worse Twilight Zone episode EVER!) Well, we had 11 service errors and 11 reception errors. I think a lot of those reception errors go down if you have Barnes or Gio in for GG. And look, I love GG! I just want to have a high class Libero come in to help strengthen up that back row.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 14:53:15 GMT -5
The thing about 2021 was that - per Punzel's book - Wisconsin used 14 different lineups during a 14 week regular season, because of the Hart and Civita injuries, etc. Saying "the 2021 lineup was..." can only really be done with a half-dozen qualifiers. (And for whatever reason, Boyer's role always get left out or forgotten. She played in 92 of 122 sets played that year. Gio had 167 digs during that season, Boyer had 164.) I didn't forget her! 😁🤩
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 14:57:06 GMT -5
As far as "beating Texas", we entered the Twilight Zone. Texas was going to win, we were going to lose. GG led the team with 13 digs, and was easily the best UW server, BTW. We did NOT lost because of GG. (Worse Twilight Zone episode EVER!) Well, we had 11 service errors and 11 reception errors. I think a lot of those reception errors go down if you have Barnes or Gio in for GG. And look, I love GG! I just want to have a high class Libero come in to help strengthen up that back row. GG had 4 of the reception errors, Frank had 3. GG has an ace and two errors ... and scored on 11 of 17 balls served, Next best was CC 5 of 14 or MJ 4 of 11. We did NOT lose because of GG. It was VERY much a whole team effort.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 15:00:55 GMT -5
Well, we had 11 service errors and 11 reception errors. I think a lot of those reception errors go down if you have Barnes or Gio in for GG. And look, I love GG! I just want to have a high class Libero come in to help strengthen up that back row. GG had 4 of the reception errors, Frank had 3. GG has an ace and two errors ... and scored on 11 of 17 balls served, Next best was CC 5 of 14 or MJ 4 of 7. We did NOT lose because of GG. It was VERY much a whole team effort. Wait, if MJ and CC have the same number of rotations +/- 1 per set, how does CC have 9 missed serves and MJ only have 3? How does CC rotate to serve 6 more times than MJ? And how does GG rotate to serve only six times, to CC's 9? I am assuming every time that they miss is a time that they came to the line to serve since you can't miss two serves in a row in one rotation.
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 15:03:29 GMT -5
GG had 4 of the reception errors, Frank had 3. GG has an ace and two errors ... and scored on 11 of 17 balls served, Next best was CC 5 of 14 or MJ 4 of 7. We did NOT lose because of GG. It was VERY much a whole team effort. Wait, if MJ and CC have the same number of rotations +/- 1 per set, how does CC have 9 missed serves and MJ only have 3? How does CC rotate to serve 6 more times than MJ? And how does GG rotate to serve only six times, to CC's 9? I am assuming every time that they miss is a time that they came to the line to serve since you can't miss two serves in a row. "7 " was a typo; 4 points won, 7 points lost. it should have been "4 of 11" but I didn't get it corrected in time.
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Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 15:05:00 GMT -5
Wait, if MJ and CC have the same number of rotations +/- 1 per set, how does CC have 9 missed serves and MJ only have 3? How does CC rotate to serve 6 more times than MJ? And how does GG rotate to serve only six times, to CC's 9? I am assuming every time that they miss is a time that they came to the line to serve since you can't miss two serves in a row. "7 " was a typo; 4 points won, 7 points lost. it should have been "4 of 11" but I didn't get it corrected in time. That still leaves a weird difference between CC and GG though.
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 15:12:30 GMT -5
"7 " was a typo; 4 points won, 7 points lost. it should have been "4 of 11" but I didn't get it corrected in time. That still leaves a weird difference between CC and GG though. GG was the first server of the first set. She went 0-for-1, 2 points won-1 point lost, and 3-1 in her three trips to the line. CC followed her and went 0-1, 1-1, and 0-1, In thesecond set CC was UW's first server, CC went 2-1 and 0-1. GG was at the end of the rotation and went 6-1 and 0-1. That six point run is pretty much the reason we didn't get swept. Third set GG was first, and went 0-1. Her second time through was taken by Boyer subbing in; Boyer went 1-1. CC went 1-1 and 1-1. Fourth set CC served first, went 0-1 and 0-1. GG did not serve at all, Boyer went 0-1 and 0-1.
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Post by 25or624 on Dec 16, 2023 15:17:16 GMT -5
As far as "beating Texas", we entered the Twilight Zone. Texas was going to win, we were going to lose. GG led the team with 13 digs, and was easily the best UW server, BTW. We did NOT lost because of GG. (Worse Twilight Zone episode EVER!) Well, we had 11 service errors and 11 reception errors. I think a lot of those reception errors go down if you have Barnes or Gio in for GG. And look, I love GG! I just want to have a high class Libero come in to help strengthen up that back row. Because I am slowly getting smarter about staying out of trouble while posting, I did not stake out a position; I only put the hypothetical out there. Good discussion after that.
While I'm here, I agree with the "Texas is on a heater" comment and I'm picking Texas 3-1 tonight. It's going to be an unbearable 4 years if Nebraska wins.
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Post by robtearle on Dec 16, 2023 15:18:48 GMT -5
Well, we had 11 service errors and 11 reception errors. I think a lot of those reception errors go down if you have Barnes or Gio in for GG. And look, I love GG! I just want to have a high class Libero come in to help strengthen up that back row. Because I am slowly getting smarter about staying out of trouble while posting, I did not stake out a position; I only put the hypothetical out there. Good discussion after that.
While I'm here, I agree with the "Texas is on a heater" comment and I'm picking Texas 3-1 tonight. It's going to be an unbearable 4 years if Nebraska wins.
Tomorrow
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Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 15:21:50 GMT -5
That still leaves a weird difference between CC and GG though. GG was the first server of the first set. She went 0-for-1, 2 points won-1 point lost, and 3-1 in her three trips to the line. CC followed her and went 0-1, 1-1, and 0-1, In thesecond set CC was UW's first server, CC went 2-1 and 0-1. GG was at the end of the rotation and went 6-1 and 0-1. That six point run is pretty much the reason we didn't get swept. Third set GG was first, and went 0-1. Her second time through was taken by Boyer subbing in; Boyer went 1-1. CC went 1-1 and 1-1. Fourth set CC served first, went 0-1 and 0-1. GG did not serve at all, Boyer went 0-1 and 0-1. thanks! I totally spaced on the fact that Gigi didn't serve at some points.
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