|
Post by neatwithatwist on Dec 16, 2023 15:25:50 GMT -5
Why would we need Landfair? We already have Franklin, Orzol, Wrobel, and Shadd-Ceres as left pins next year. The only way I’d see is getting a big name OH recruit is if Wrobel still isn’t healthy enough to play. Mark Stewart [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] has an overview of the 2024 Badgers online this AM. He doesn't identify a source, but I'll assume this is based on more than an educated guess:
"Wrobel, a 6-foot-4 outside hitter, didn’t play this season but is expected to compete for playing time next season. The departure of Thomas-Ailara creates a void that will need to be filled." 1. If I'm not mistaken- that's he first "news" we've had about Wrobel's 2024 potential status, isn't it? Anyway- I suppose we'll see what happens. Unfortunately (for we fans), it will remain an "up in the air/who knows?" thing for many more months. 2. Re Landfair: One thing that seems to be overlooked here (though certainly not on the Minn threads) is the "fact" that Landfair, for her continued commitment to the Program, demanded that she be used as a 6-RO. She presumably wants the experience for her international-play future. Good for her. But I don't see Coach and Staff submitting to that demand. And- I don't see her subsequent poor serve-receive stats, and oft-panned defensive body of work, as contributing positively to next season's Team needs. 3. My guess is that we'll concentrate on back row/setter stuff. As everyone has noted- we've got the "firepower". That's my final answer. (Until next week, of course...)
|
|
|
Post by dbro1970 on Dec 16, 2023 15:30:57 GMT -5
Mark Stewart [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] has an overview of the 2024 Badgers online this AM. He doesn't identify a source, but I'll assume this is based on more than an educated guess:
"Wrobel, a 6-foot-4 outside hitter, didn’t play this season but is expected to compete for playing time next season. The departure of Thomas-Ailara creates a void that will need to be filled." 1. If I'm not mistaken- that's he first "news" we've had about Wrobel's 2024 potential status, isn't it? Anyway- I suppose we'll see what happens. Unfortunately (for we fans), it will remain an "up in the air/who knows?" thing for many more months. 2. Re Landfair: One thing that seems to be overlooked here (though certainly not on the Minn threads) is the "fact" that Landfair, for her continued commitment to the Program, demanded that she be used as a 6-RO. She presumably wants the experience for her international-play future. Good for her. But I don't see Coach and Staff submitting to that demand. And- I don't see her subsequent poor serve-receive stats, and oft-panned defensive body of work, as contributing positively to next season's Team needs. 3. My guess is that we'll concentrate on back row/setter stuff. As everyone has noted- we've got the "firepower". That's my final answer. (Until next week, of course...) Bottom line on Landfair: If she demands to be 6 rotation and doesn't accept that she may only be 3 rotation if thats whats best for the team, she does not fit into the Wisconsin culture and team.
|
|
|
Post by swaggyp on Dec 16, 2023 15:49:30 GMT -5
The thing about finding a backup setter is that the best candidate is someone who has started at setter in the past for multiple years, but has an awesome freshman coming in behind her and was set to lose her starting spot. Ideally she'd be at least 6 feet tall because she'll be running a 5-1 and will need to be able to contribute to the block. Bonus points if she's a culture fit, but I guess the only way you would know that is if she already had relationships on the team. She'll probably be a one-and-done player, so if she had already graduated that would be kind of the best fit. And it's always nice to have someone from the midwest...maybe somewhere like Greenwood, Indiana. It would be cool if a player like that became available.
|
|
|
Post by wisfan2000 on Dec 16, 2023 17:22:45 GMT -5
I personally like Char-burger. Maybe because it diner time. I hope her blocking and defense are ready for next level. The setting seems phenomenal from the video I have seen. I think blocking and defense are a little more difficult to judge how she will do at the next level. I also hope Van Wie (I'll call her Beetle .. get it VW Beetle... anyway...) gets lots of reps preseason also. May be tough with two freshman setters. Badgers have lucked into a lot of good back up setter options since Shef has taken over. You would not want the whole season going down hill if your setter was hurt. From what I recall they called her "Char" at the U19 World Championship this past summer. Am I the only one who was at least a little disappointed to find out that Charlie's last name is not pronounced FEAR-bringer?
|
|
|
Post by blo743 on Dec 16, 2023 17:29:25 GMT -5
From what I recall they called her "Char" at the U19 World Championship this past summer. Am I the only one who was at least a little disappointed to find out that Charlie's last name is not pronounced FEAR-bringer? I personally like fire-bringer
|
|
|
Post by blo743 on Dec 16, 2023 17:30:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one who was at least a little disappointed to find out that Charlie's last name is not pronounced FEAR-bringer? I personally like fire-bringer But how fitting would it be with our last setter being named Ashburn and the next one Firebringer
|
|
|
Post by wisfan2000 on Dec 16, 2023 17:34:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one who was at least a little disappointed to find out that Charlie's last name is not pronounced FEAR-bringer? I personally like fire-bringer Also awesome. To be clear, still very excited to have her whatever the pronunciation.
|
|
|
Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 16, 2023 17:53:12 GMT -5
If we compare the 2021 championship roster and 2023 final four roster, I think 2021 has the edge in set (Hilley), back row (Barnes), and flexibility (5-1); however, 2023 has a slight edge in attack and block. If we then compare vs 2024, we’ll have Fuerbringer, Damrow, Schumacher, and the 5-1, all without using the portal, giving us the 2021 edges back (hopefully), while our attack should remain high (block power will go down some with the setter in the front row for three rotations). The back row in 21 also had Georgia Civita, and Izzy doing three rotations of just defense and serving, as well as handling the second ball if Sid took the first. Those were elite DS ladies. Plus, Jocelyn would step in occasionally as well. And when Izzy was in the back we were rarely out of system, since we had our backup setter taking the second ball. That gives the 2021 back row not just an advantage, but like a tenfold dominance over the 2023 one. We haven't had a back row like that since 2021, and it shows. (And I'm not complaining, because I do think the 6-2 was the best choice for our players, but all of the 2021 bigs commented that they would not have won if it wasn't for their littles) If I got this right, it seems like a reasonable point of view. 2021 setter+back row is so much better than as-is 2024 setter+back row that the 2024 scholarship should be used to fortify 2024 setter+back row instead of improving OH2. This works if there actually is someone like this who is available. I don’t think there is yet, but there may well be soon. I know many folks may disagree, but in my view Landfair would make “OH room” better and she’s available. I appreciate she isn’t perfect, but she probably is and will be the best OH in the portal for 2024.
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Dec 16, 2023 17:58:58 GMT -5
Mark Stewart [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] has an overview of the 2024 Badgers online this AM. He doesn't identify a source, but I'll assume this is based on more than an educated guess:
"Wrobel, a 6-foot-4 outside hitter, didn’t play this season but is expected to compete for playing time next season. The departure of Thomas-Ailara creates a void that will need to be filled." 1. If I'm not mistaken- that's he first "news" we've had about Wrobel's 2024 potential status, isn't it? Anyway- I suppose we'll see what happens. Unfortunately (for we fans), it will remain an "up in the air/who knows?" thing for many more months. I think she's been dressed for the tournament matches. I interpreted that as her being ready to go if something terrible happened.
|
|
|
Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 18:14:00 GMT -5
If I got this right, it seems like a reasonable point of view. 2021 setter+back row is so much better than as-is 2024 setter+back row that the 2024 scholarship should be used to fortify 2024 setter+back row instead of improving OH2. This works if there actually is someone like this who is available. I don’t think there is yet, but there may well be soon. I know many folks may disagree, but in my view Landfair would make “OH room” better and she’s available. I appreciate she isn’t perfect, but she probably is and will be the best OH in the portal for 2024. Is there any standout libeiros out there? Morton (Auburn) and Morris (KSU) I think are the best two available. Dacosta depending on if she plays as an OH or L
|
|
|
Post by maigrey on Dec 16, 2023 18:15:06 GMT -5
1. If I'm not mistaken- that's he first "news" we've had about Wrobel's 2024 potential status, isn't it? Anyway- I suppose we'll see what happens. Unfortunately (for we fans), it will remain an "up in the air/who knows?" thing for many more months. I think she's been dressed for the tournament matches. I interpreted that as her being ready to go if something terrible happened. I saw some clips where she was dressed, and warming up aggressively, actually. I remember this, because it was not in 2021 😁, and I remember thinking dang, she's looking like she can play!
|
|
|
Post by mibadger on Dec 16, 2023 18:28:07 GMT -5
1. If I'm not mistaken- that's he first "news" we've had about Wrobel's 2024 potential status, isn't it? Anyway- I suppose we'll see what happens. Unfortunately (for we fans), it will remain an "up in the air/who knows?" thing for many more months. I think she's been dressed for the tournament matches. I interpreted that as her being ready to go if something terrible happened. She’s been doing full warmups and hitting the whole tournament. Looks healthy to me.
|
|
|
Post by savannahbadger on Dec 16, 2023 18:30:18 GMT -5
We're living through the aftermath of that; more balance please. It’s ironic that the direction of this team now is largely based on the aftermath of getting beaten down by Stanford in 2019. Kelly wanted to be able to terminate more OOS, and he have that now, but we might have stood a much better chance against Texas had we fielded the 2019 back row (“O-line”) in the FF to dig and pass much better. Texas was clearly digging up just about everything we hit over, and so goes the old adage… “defense wins championships.”
|
|
|
Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 16, 2023 18:40:40 GMT -5
The thing about finding a backup setter is that the best candidate is someone who has started at setter in the past for multiple years, but has an awesome freshman coming in behind her and was set to lose her starting spot. Ideally she'd be at least 6 feet tall because she'll be running a 5-1 and will need to be able to contribute to the block. Bonus points if she's a culture fit, but I guess the only way you would know that is if she already had relationships on the team. She'll probably be a one-and-done player, so if she had already graduated that would be kind of the best fit. And it's always nice to have someone from the midwest...maybe somewhere like Greenwood, Indiana. It would be cool if a player like that became available. MJ has said her college volleyball career is over.
|
|
|
Post by chibadgerfan on Dec 16, 2023 18:48:51 GMT -5
We're living through the aftermath of that; more balance please. It’s ironic that the direction of this team now is largely based on the aftermath of getting beaten down by Stanford in 2019. Kelly wanted to be able to terminate more OOS, and he have that now, but we might have stood a much better chance against Texas had we fielded the 2019 back row (“O-line”) in the FF to dig and pass much better. Texas was clearly digging up just about everything we hit over, and so goes the old adage… “defense wins championships.” I think our 2024 back row of Orzul, GG, Schumacher, Damrow, and Chan will be good enough that we don’t need another back row player from the portal.
|
|