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Post by mibadger on Sept 26, 2024 10:53:07 GMT -5
Of all the seniors that we will lose next year, I think Julia will be far and away the hardest to replace. Her leadership and competitiveness are so obvious. Clearly she’s willing to do anything for the team as seen by switching to libero last year. CC and her are just gamers that have such high court IQ.
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Post by 25or624 on Sept 26, 2024 10:55:04 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
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Post by maigrey on Sept 26, 2024 11:12:33 GMT -5
Yeah. It's problem. But Franklin has taken a step up. Maybe some others can too. What were CC's service numbers last year? I feel like she was pretty good. We also had a ridiculous 3+ blocks per set because of the 6-2, which also drives passing numbers down...
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 26, 2024 11:12:39 GMT -5
Did you add that to the milestones thread that's out there?
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Post by Burly Ives on Sept 26, 2024 11:16:33 GMT -5
A reminder that the team lost 10 matches with freshman Hilley and with freshman Carlini. Apples to oranges, I know, but I don't think Charlie is the main issue. The lineup has been different, not even every match, but set to set, passing has been terrible, injuries derailing practice time. I don't think the other feshman setters have had this amount of disarray around them. I don't know what can happen this year, but I'd rather deal with Lola's growing pains at L than with a known GG. Even if she doesn't outperfrom GG, I'd rather see her get the chance. And I think they need to pick a lineup re the middles/opp. The person on the bench can become the blocking sub. We need to eliminate some variables for Charlie and let the team grow around her development. Carlini was working with a 5,10 middle, 5,8 outside and their previous setter playing right side What carlini did was nothing short of insane It was a once in a lifetime type of impact Not just ANY 5'8" outside though.
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Post by maigrey on Sept 26, 2024 11:17:22 GMT -5
We can't expect Charlie to be final season Hilley good in her first season. Hitter chemistry develops over years of connection not within a few matches and practices. Seems like Lola is more composed than GG. I think with the way the team is playing and if there is no consistency and improvement from the team from the passing, serving, hitting, setting and blocking plus forms of some players like Carter and such, then the team at best's ceiling is Sweet 16 and that's not even guaranteed. Is Charlie even first season Hilley good? She's just really inconsistent, and not playing well under pressure. Since she's won stuff in the past I tend to believe that the pressure thing will go away as she gets more comfortable. But watching the two first-year setters last night on the BTN back-to-back, the difference between Fuerbringer and the other one is ... stark. If we want to contend at the end of the year, the first imperative is that Fuerbringer improves. Hilley and I. Stark also graduated early and had 6 months with the team before season started. That can't be discounted, and we are feeling the effects of that now.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Sept 26, 2024 11:23:29 GMT -5
Huge congrats to her, but it feels like nearly every career record/milestone across the NCAA this season has been in a loss 😭
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Post by dbro1970 on Sept 26, 2024 11:23:56 GMT -5
Sydney Hilley played OH in high school her last two years. Didn’t affect her setter prospects I feel like I’ve heard this before… who was her HS setter and why wasn’t it her? Was she just trying to learn a new position? Hilleys HS setter her senior year was Izzy Ashburn. You might have heard of her?
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Sept 26, 2024 11:28:40 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
You gotta respect that kind of candor from a head coach, I already liked Sheffield and now I like him more. There's plenty of coaches who would try to get away with glossy generalities or blame the environment.
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Post by pepperjack on Sept 26, 2024 11:35:48 GMT -5
Did you add that to the milestones thread that's out there? I did not
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Post by dbro1970 on Sept 26, 2024 12:41:09 GMT -5
Minnesota had 20+ more points overall. Wisconsin was lucky to make it close. Minn won two sets by 10 points each. UW won the first set by 6, and the third set by 2, offset by Minn winning the fifth set by two. 20-6 equals 14. Minn had 14 points more. Didnt take points off for wisc sets. Point still stands.
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Post by badgersinsix on Sept 26, 2024 12:49:32 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
I agree with your last point, and I think the upcoming schedule is well set up for us to string together wins and build confidence while continuing to work out kinks. @nw, @rutgers, vs UW, vs Maryland, vs NW, vs Oregon, @michigan, @indiana. Two most challenging matches in that stretch coming at the Field House instead of the west coast. I was pretty down on our chances after attending that 2022 match in person. I've learned to relax and trust the team's development much better since then. It was a lot easier walking out of the Pav last night, despite being frustrated with where the team is currently. Looking forward to how the team bounces back and where they get to this year.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 26, 2024 12:49:43 GMT -5
Individual criticism directed at several "favorite players" may be warranted, but there are bigger problems to worry about, e.g., [emphasis is mine]: But it was the points the Badgers couldn’t convert that will haunt coach Kelly Sheffield and his team. There were 24 hitting errors and 13 service errors, but there also were some mental errors along the way. “When you’ve got an opportunity to come in and steal something and you’re making errors, just silly stuff that we’re talking about during timeouts,” Sheffield said. “There will be a ton of stuff off that film that we’ve got to get better at" ...
So even when they were trailing in the fifth set, Sheffield still was optimistic the Badgers could come back. But they failed to execute when they needed to.
“The fifth set you know a ball is going to Grote and we’ve got a hole in the block from not reading an obvious situation,” Sheffield said. “Two balls that are service errors right toward the end when they’re shanking everything. Then two balls that we wanted to serve in the 5 zone and the bro is in the 1 zone and they serve it to the 1 zone. Those were the only balls that they passed toward the end of the match, balls that we missed the area of the court by 15, 20 feet. We just didn’t execute. The opportunity was there.”
it's disconcerting to see a Badger team called out for this kind of play. I don't know what to attribute it to, e.g., an inability to deal with pressure, or a lack of focus, or a lack of experience, or a lack of individual talent, but the problems evident in this match go beyond Carter and GG.
The 2022 team used the Minnesota loss as a springboard to better play and a bunch of wins. We'll see how the 2024 Badgers respond.
Seems like a real problem but deflecting from passing woes is weak sauce....and I hate KK phrase.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 13:31:04 GMT -5
BTW. Does anyone remember what happened the last season the badgers lost the first B1G match away to the gophers? We lost in the EE in the Field House as GG forgot how to pass? I'm not sure that type of finish can be thought of as a good thing for this seniors-laden team with the NPOY on it. We also didn't lose a single other match in conference and won the B1G going away. And the gophers absolutely hammered us that year. and we could easily have won the match last night. Having the NPOY on the team makes that scenario more not less likely. If you always focus on what happened the final match of the year, there is only one year that would be counted as successful in badgers history. I'm just not interested in thinking like that.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 26, 2024 13:41:43 GMT -5
I think this is right. Basically played this one to a draw even though there are 50 different things we can reasonably expect to be better. On the road against a top 20 team that might have been playing above their head. At least that will be what I think tomorrow. Tonight, because I am an emotional adolescent, I am going to let my favorite team’s near-win ruin my night and be grumpy for another 52 minutes. Minnesota had 20+ more points overall. Wisconsin was lucky to make it close. That's what happens when you have a good serving team playing on their game. Gophers got service runs from Grote and some others. That gave them the cushions in those two sets. Minnesota was playing really good defense, putting pressure on the badgers to be clean, but some of those runs were prolonged by some very strange and lucky plays. How many matches have a seen two dig kills? Sometime the badgers had clear opportunities to end the runs and they flubbed their lines with sets into the antenna, or deflecting balls that another defender had or hitting errors. It wouldn't take that much for the badgers to tighten up and rectify those problems.
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