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Post by azvb on Oct 11, 2024 17:55:35 GMT -5
Either Lee or Bobik at OPP, please. No Eden Bower again. Inquiring minds want to know…. Have to think she's transferring because she got beat out by younger players and has no real hope to start again. I've seen her at the gym recently, so I don't think she's injured. Kind of weird that she wouldn't be with the rest of the team, including her own sister, though. There goes the “Mom Bower must have some dirt on Heather” theory 😂. Weird to quit in the middle (not even the middle) of the season. Might as well practice, even if she’s transferring after fall semester. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 11, 2024 18:03:40 GMT -5
Have to think she's transferring because she got beat out by younger players and has no real hope to start again. I've seen her at the gym recently, so I don't think she's injured. Kind of weird that she wouldn't be with the rest of the team, including her own sister, though. There goes the “Mom Bower must have some dirt on Heather” theory 😂. Weird to quit in the middle (not even the middle) of the season. Might as well practice, even if she’s transferring after fall semester. Well, to be clear, I don't know for sure. I'm just speculating. But it seems like even injured players at least attend the home matches. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 11, 2024 18:20:40 GMT -5
Either Lee or Bobik at OPP, please. I looked up the season stats for Prior and Bobik. They are not pretty: Prior: 30-25-93, .054 Bobik: 59-35-177, .136 I'm sorry, but I want to at least see what Lee can do on the right side. |
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Post by pelagius on Oct 11, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5
Either Lee or Bobik at OPP, please. I looked up the season stats for Prior and Bobik. They are not pretty: Prior: 30-25-93, .054 Bobik: 59-35-177, .136 I'm sorry, but I want to at least see what Lee can do on the right side. Lee played opposite in the third set against Arizona St. Didn't get set that much but was 2-0-3 if I remember correctly. At the very least, it indicates the coaching staff is willing to use her on the right. |
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 11, 2024 19:19:42 GMT -5
I looked up the season stats for Prior and Bobik. They are not pretty: Prior: 30-25-93, .054 Bobik: 59-35-177, .136 I'm sorry, but I want to at least see what Lee can do on the right side. Lee played opposite in the third set against Arizona St. Didn't get set that much but was 2-0-3 if I remember correctly. At the very least, it indicates the coaching staff is willing to using her on the right. Good to know. I didn't watch the ASU match. Just checked the stats. She was 2-0-3. She also played a bit against Arizona (1-0-5). |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 17, 2024 16:05:20 GMT -5
Lee is a better athlete than anyone on the team. I was derided for saying that she should be Opp from the get go - Prior at MB - Eden not recruited - Meyer at setter - Damuni at setter in front of Alex Bower - Stowell ahead of E Bower - Morgan Bower not recruited - A host of other DS's not recruited who were - W Bower at DS with Meyer at setter - Heather replacing herself with a legit talent evaluator coach/recruiter for passing - and a whole host of other things that came true even though bbg didn't think they would. Mia Lee needs to play Rt side every 3 rotations the rest of this year. Never take her out and furthermore Prior needs to start at MB next season right off the bat. BYU needs to stream line their roster and get rid of dead weight and bring in 4-5 back row passers to see if they can find 2 legit ones .... especially if Heather stays in charge of the recruiting of the passers and won't relinquish any control. How is the passer doing at Texas that Heather wouldn't recruit .... what about the Creighton girl who wasn't good enough? The backrow passing disaster with the exception the 2 year BYU career of Madi at USD (run off by Heather) has been a disaster in recruiting anyone of merit. Mary Lake to now ..... except for the transfer portal .... has been a dumpster fire for a top 16 program. This year will be the first for Heather to fall out of the top 25, mark by words.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 17, 2024 17:42:28 GMT -5
I'd respond to whatever marn is trying to say, but since they seem incapable of writing in coherent sentences or breaking their wall of text into more than one paragraph, I'll move on (except one thing--Madi Allen was not "run off" nor was she an especially good passer at BYU--such ridiculous statements are par for the course for marn). Decent win for BYU over Iowa State, which isn't a great program, but we'll take any win we can get, especially on the road.
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Post by lucy1014 on Oct 18, 2024 20:28:04 GMT -5
Lee is a better athlete than anyone on the team. I was derided for saying that she should be Opp from the get go - Prior at MB - Eden not recruited - Meyer at setter - Damuni at setter in front of Alex Bower - Stowell ahead of E Bower - Morgan Bower not recruited - A host of other DS's not recruited who were - W Bower at DS with Meyer at setter - Heather replacing herself with a legit talent evaluator coach/recruiter for passing - and a whole host of other things that came true even though bbg didn't think they would. Mia Lee needs to play Rt side every 3 rotations the rest of this year. Never take her out and furthermore Prior needs to start at MB next season right off the bat. BYU needs to stream line their roster and get rid of dead weight and bring in 4-5 back row passers to see if they can find 2 legit ones .... especially if Heather stays in charge of the recruiting of the passers and won't relinquish any control. How is the passer doing at Texas that Heather wouldn't recruit .... what about the Creighton girl who wasn't good enough? The backrow passing disaster with the exception the 2 year BYU career of Madi at USD (run off by Heather) has been a disaster in recruiting anyone of merit. Mary Lake to now ..... except for the transfer portal .... has been a dumpster fire for a top 16 program. This year will be the first for Heather to fall out of the top 25, mark by words. |
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Post by lucy1014 on Oct 18, 2024 20:59:27 GMT -5
To say that Lee is the best leaves me wondering your motives. What is your rubric for making such a claim? To say that she could help out as an oppo is a more real evaluation. It is true that it would help BYU to have more consistency in that position. If she can help there, so be it. I have to think that after we saw her entry as oppo in AZ that shes now battling for that spot in practice. And if she's good enough she will see more time.
I see a lot of growth in Alex Bower already and believe she's going to out grow her 5th year sister. I remember a very young Whitney Bower that really struggled her freshman year. B/c she was surrounded by superstars in their later years of college, she got the luxury of it being better for her in the win/loss column. As well, the competitiont that Alex is facing in the Big 12 is so different than that of the WCC. So freshman W. Bower in the WCC vs freshman A. Bower in the Big 12 is like comparing an apple to an orange.
BYU vb has had some tough losses thus far but there's a lot of play left and we've seen their brilliance. Lets talk about that Baylor win. That was a good Baylor team that was dismantled with outstanding blocking and excellent offense. Seeing the stats of the OHs and MBs that night was truly impressive. And for sure Ululave was stellar on defense. This team has more to learn and more to do to come together but I can see a more consistent BYU in the short run.
I don't think we've seen any years where BYU was this young in so many positions. I think the backing up of players due COVID 5th years created this situation. I've seen it in many programs. The fall out is real. So this year is unchartered territory and I think a bit of grace may be in order b/c all in all, it's pretty good out there. And I truly do think it's going to get better.
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Post by beachhitter on Oct 19, 2024 23:19:49 GMT -5
Respect to Bower for calling herself on a touch in the BYU Utah match. Not a game determining point but not a lot of players would have done that
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Post by azvb on Oct 20, 2024 0:15:44 GMT -5
Respect to Bower for calling herself on a touch in the BYU Utah match. Not a game determining point but not a lot of players would have done that I think she called it so Heather wouldn’t waste a challenge. But maybe her motives were pure! |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 27, 2024 18:50:56 GMT -5
To say that Lee is the best leaves me wondering your motives. What is your rubric for making such a claim? To say that she could help out as an oppo is a more real evaluation. It is true that it would help BYU to have more consistency in that position. If she can help there, so be it. I have to think that after we saw her entry as oppo in AZ that shes now battling for that spot in practice. And if she's good enough she will see more time. I see a lot of growth in Alex Bower already and believe she's going to out grow her 5th year sister. I remember a very young Whitney Bower that really struggled her freshman year. B/c she was surrounded by superstars in their later years of college, she got the luxury of it being better for her in the win/loss column. As well, the competitiont that Alex is facing in the Big 12 is so different than that of the WCC. So freshman W. Bower in the WCC vs freshman A. Bower in the Big 12 is like comparing an apple to an orange. BYU vb has had some tough losses thus far but there's a lot of play left and we've seen their brilliance. Lets talk about that Baylor win. That was a good Baylor team that was dismantled with outstanding blocking and excellent offense. Seeing the stats of the OHs and MBs that night was truly impressive. And for sure Ululave was stellar on defense. This team has more to learn and more to do to come together but I can see a more consistent BYU in the short run. I don't think we've seen any years where BYU was this young in so many positions. I think the backing up of players due COVID 5th years created this situation. I've seen it in many programs. The fall out is real. So this year is unchartered territory and I think a bit of grace may be in order b/c all in all, it's pretty good out there. And I truly do think it's going to get better. My motives are putting the best players on the floor in the correct positions. My motives are recruiting the right girls who can compete nationally and not rely on the Bower connection which has done zero for BYU. Meyer was better than W Bower and Damuni is simply a better setter and athlete than Alex Bower and the fact that Heather ran off Damuni just shows she knows it. W Bower was a better setter as a freshman that A Bower. Whitney was challenged vertically and was only an average blocker. Alex can't get up as high as Whitney. Alex doesn't hold a candle to Whitney on defense. Alex puts up a ball that might be comparable to Whitney's ball. But there is a another advantage to Whitney over Alex and that is serving. Mia Lee is the best athlete on the team. Not close. She hasn't been given any time at opp the last two years which is a shame. But Heather always loses focus on getting the team to peak for the NCAA tourney. She has time to put Lee into the lineup and let her learn from now until the end of league play. That is what she should do. But she won't. Lulu is a good player but not a top line Libero. BYU will be exposed as always on serve receive and passing against the top teams. But Lulu is legit and should be on the roster with another 2-3 DS/L's for next year. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 27, 2024 18:53:25 GMT -5
Respect to Bower for calling herself on a touch in the BYU Utah match. Not a game determining point but not a lot of players would have done that You do realize Bower told her bench so Heather didn't use a challenge, right? All the players on the roster do the same thing. No special shout out necessary for doing what the staff tells all players on both sides of the net to do. |
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Post by vvv on Oct 28, 2024 13:06:32 GMT -5
I actually do have to agree with Marn again. Lee is an unbelievable athlete and the fact that somehow she has found herself on the sideline is baffling. Yes, the middles are killing it right now. But, as Marn has been saying for years now, Lee should have been OPP instead of middle to set up for this season with bringing in another middle that Heather seems to feel is more of a middle. But, where does that leave Lee? On the side? She is not an athlete that should be standing on the side anywhere. The same went for Damuni..... I agree with all of Marn's observations as he has mentioned that he has watched the club league for a while and I have too. The athleticism of damuni and the ability to play defense along with setting skills is again baffling to me in regards to her not even being given the chance to compete for the starting position. It is very clear that Heather had her agenda set way in advance. I hear she is thriving on her mission and glad she didn't waste another year of eligibility. Utah state will be lucky to have her. But, Lee.... I think she has played more than 4 games and lost a year. Is Eden Bower gone for sure? I am still confused there. That does knock down the bower connection theory in a way though. As far as setting, I think it still stands.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 28, 2024 13:21:29 GMT -5
Marn has like a 5% accuracy rate. The absolute last person I would trust on any topic related to BYU volleyball. Anyway, Lee just got beat out in the middle. Kemavor is way too good to not start, and Strong is better too. I'd like to see Lee at opposite as well, but that is mostly a theory. We don't have a lot of evidence. With Strong out of eligibility after this season, I think Lee moves back to the middle next year. And yeah, I don't think we'll see Eden again. Not only does that diminish marn's asinine conspiracy theories, it basically debunks them. If a Bower is good, she'll play. If not, she'll get benched if there are better options. Anyway, none of this matters if the passing doesn't get fixed. That will always put a ceiling on how far they can go in the tournament.
Edit: marn is the same person who tried for the last few seasons to convince everyone that pro volleyball setter Whitney Bower was the problem with the team, lol. Anyone with functional eyes and a brain could see that the issue is, was and always has been (at least since 2019) the passing.
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