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Oct 28, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by bkedane on Oct 28, 2024 13:28:49 GMT -5
I actually do have to agree with Marn again. Lee is an unbelievable athlete and the fact that somehow she has found herself on the sideline is baffling. Yes, the middles are killing it right now. But, as Marn has been saying for years now, Lee should have been OPP instead of middle to set up for this season with bringing in another middle that Heather seems to feel is more of a middle. But, where does that leave Lee? On the side? She is not an athlete that should be standing on the side anywhere. The same went for Damuni..... I agree with all of Marn's observations as he has mentioned that he has watched the club league for a while and I have too. The athleticism of damuni and the ability to play defense along with setting skills is again baffling to me in regards to her not even being given the chance to compete for the starting position. It is very clear that Heather had her agenda set way in advance. I hear she is thriving on her mission and glad she didn't waste another year of eligibility. Utah state will be lucky to have her. But, Lee.... I think she has played more than 4 games and lost a year. Is Eden Bower gone for sure? I am still confused there. That does knock down the bower connection theory in a way though. As far as setting, I think it still stands. How has Lee looked in practice at middle and at opposite? Is it maybe possible that she has not beat out those playing these positions through practice performance? Lots of terrific athletes don't start for their teams in major volleyball conferences. There are repeated suggestions that she is the correct choice to start at opposite. These suggestions come mostly from fans who have not seen her play the position for any significant period. I understanding asking whether she might find a role. I do not understand the confidence that she should be starting. What is the evidence? |
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Post by vvv on Oct 28, 2024 13:49:46 GMT -5
Good point, but she did play opposite and not middle in high school and one of the games, she had the highest stats in that position. So, you are right, we don't see practice, but I have seen her play OPP in high school and when I see Prior go in and then when Prior doesn't do well, another freshmen goes in? Maybe I just don't get it? When Lee went in earlier in pre-season games, she killed it? Or am I just imagining?
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Oct 28, 2024 17:48:07 GMT -5
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Post by bkedane on Oct 28, 2024 17:48:07 GMT -5
Good point, but she did play opposite and not middle in high school and one of the games, she had the highest stats in that position. So, you are right, we don't see practice, but I have seen her play OPP in high school and when I see Prior go in and then when Prior doesn't do well, another freshmen goes in? Maybe I just don't get it? When Lee went in earlier in pre-season games, she killed it? Or am I just imagining? I've seen only one brief appearance at opposite. I have seen her play middle, but not at the level of the Byu starters. I did not see her in high school. I have never seen her practice. I'm confident that the coaches have seen her practice lots including at middle and at opposite. |
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Post by vvv on Oct 28, 2024 22:00:14 GMT -5
True... But, she just did so well last season with tons of accolades etc. and even making the Big 12 preseason team, I guess I just don't know enough to make sense of why she would not be playing after all of that. I guess that is why I am not the coach LOL.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 29, 2024 18:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by vvv on Oct 29, 2024 22:46:30 GMT -5
Well deserved!!
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 0:08:42 GMT -5
Once again, marn is all over the place. I think Eden was recruited by some other big programs (I want to say Nebraska was one of them). She didn't end up being that good at the next level, which happens. As for Stowell, maybe she actually likes the school and doesn't want to transfer? Crazy, I know. And I think she was given a fair shot the last couple of seasons. Unfortunately, she wasn't as consistent as she needed to be to lock it down. Anyway, it will be amusing to see marn twist themself into a pretzel by continuing to push the "Heather has a pro-Bower bias" nonsense when Eden is getting no playing time, lol. Again, the best of the Bowers is a professional volleyball player going into her second season. The ones that weren't very good got benched. We'll see on Alex. Pure hogwash bbg that Eden was recruited by Jalen and John at Nebraska. The only source for that misinformation that you continually pushed the last 3 years is mom/dad Bower. She was very a good OH and you were on her train from the beginning. You laughed at every mention that I made that Eden couldn't jump, move laterally, play defense or serve. She could hit but her swing is so unorthodox that it gets her a few kills until the blocker realize that they just need to leave late .... then Eden shut down. BTW, Alex will be a forever under performer because BYU should have Damuni at setter for 3 years straight. Damuni beat Alex Bower at every turn in club. Never lost to her ..... ever and Damuni is simply a step above Bower in setting. There was a difference between W Bower and Meyer ... with Meyer being better but the gap between A Bower and Damuni is way bigger that Meyer/W Bower. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 0:28:35 GMT -5
Marn has like a 5% accuracy rate. The absolute last person I would trust on any topic related to BYU volleyball. Anyway, Lee just got beat out in the middle. Kemavor is way too good to not start, and Strong is better too. I'd like to see Lee at opposite as well, but that is mostly a theory. We don't have a lot of evidence. With Strong out of eligibility after this season, I think Lee moves back to the middle next year. And yeah, I don't think we'll see Eden again. Not only does that diminish marn's asinine conspiracy theories, it basically debunks them. If a Bower is good, she'll play. If not, she'll get benched if there are better options. Anyway, none of this matters if the passing doesn't get fixed. That will always put a ceiling on how far they can go in the tournament. Edit: marn is the same person who tried for the last few seasons to convince everyone that pro volleyball setter Whitney Bower was the problem with the team, lol. Anyone with functional eyes and a brain could see that the issue is, was and always has been (at least since 2019) the passing. bbg must have failed her stats classes at BYU? My asinine Bower theories said that they shouldn't have been recruited in general. Morgan Bower never played a meaningful match. Stayed on the roster all 4 years. Sucked up spots for other better DS/L's the whole time. W Bower should have been recruited by never should have started as a freshman because Hifo was a better setter in 2019 ..... point to evidence of the USD match which summed it up. After the W Bower freshman year, Meyer was the best setter in the program ... which the Nebraska assistant who took the LBSU job came out and said. W Bower should have switched to D/S for the rest of her career. She was good enough to start and should have been recruited but when Heather went off after the first match of Bowers career and said W Bower would be on the Olympic team "if she wanted to be" was the beginning of the asinine remarks of how good of a setter Bower was. Remember the first two years of Bower doing the splits (and being allowed to do it) while in mid air doing a set? Paul S and Karch both attended a BYU match to see what the Heather/Bower talk was all about and were mystified at what Bower was doing with her technique. Mysteriously the air splits stopped shortly after that visit. Eden B, shouldn't have been recruited and she sucked up another roster spot for 3 years and prevented that money from beind available for passers and a deeper roster. Then the asinine Bower inspired escorting of Damuni off the team because it was too risky to leave Damuni on the roster. Let's see what part of 5% don't you understand? How many All Americans did W Bower have with her on the BYU roster and could never take this team to past the Sweet 16?? Usually not even making the Sweet 16. Passing has been an issue but that issue is on Heather. It hasn't helped that BYU carries too many OH's and not enough passers. I will give a shout out to probably the best MB coach in the country. Hyte is just that good. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 0:32:33 GMT -5
I actually do have to agree with Marn again. Lee is an unbelievable athlete and the fact that somehow she has found herself on the sideline is baffling. Yes, the middles are killing it right now. But, as Marn has been saying for years now, Lee should have been OPP instead of middle to set up for this season with bringing in another middle that Heather seems to feel is more of a middle. But, where does that leave Lee? On the side? She is not an athlete that should be standing on the side anywhere. The same went for Damuni..... I agree with all of Marn's observations as he has mentioned that he has watched the club league for a while and I have too. The athleticism of damuni and the ability to play defense along with setting skills is again baffling to me in regards to her not even being given the chance to compete for the starting position. It is very clear that Heather had her agenda set way in advance. I hear she is thriving on her mission and glad she didn't waste another year of eligibility. Utah state will be lucky to have her. But, Lee.... I think she has played more than 4 games and lost a year. Is Eden Bower gone for sure? I am still confused there. That does knock down the bower connection theory in a way though. As far as setting, I think it still stands. How has Lee looked in practice at middle and at opposite? Is it maybe possible that she has not beat out those playing these positions through practice performance? Lots of terrific athletes don't start for their teams in major volleyball conferences. There are repeated suggestions that she is the correct choice to start at opposite. These suggestions come mostly from fans who have not seen her play the position for any significant period. I understanding asking whether she might find a role. I do not understand the confidence that she should be starting. What is the evidence? She played at Opp in club enough to give the west coast premier clubs teams fits. She played on and off for 3 years. She can play the position and after 5-6 matches she will be the best on the team. At this point it won't happen because of Heather's ego. She will not allow Prior to go back to MB next year and Lee to Opp because people will say "I told you so" .... so she won't do it. She should! |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 13:57:26 GMT -5
Speaking of OHs.... Suli Davis is set to come next year and she is amazing right? I wonder how that will play out? Also, I think Damuni and Meyers had the same situation with knowing they wouldn't play in front, but meyers left with a redshirt, not wasting a single second- Damuni stayed a year, wanted to serve a mission, but was not going to waste any more time on a bench either, so she went on her way. I do hope Eden Bowers is able to find a place that she will thrive at. Passing.... crossing fingers and hoping something will click. Let's go Cougs!!!! At this point, I think it is imperative that BYU hire an assistant that has a track record of developing good passers. Like in football, if the offensive line is consistently a problem for years, the offensive line coach (and possibly even the coordinator) will get replaced. It's just really hard to rely on your setter just running down all the bad passes and making something of them. I suppose it could be possible with an exceptional setter (like in football, the Steelers somehow won the Super Bowl in 2008 with a mediocre offensive line because they had a Hall of Fame QB), but it's not optimal. Well this is precious of you bbg _ a complete copy of what I have been saying for 7 years. You fought me on the idea that BYU can't pass at a high level back in 2018 and wouldn't give a second thought to Heather not being a good recruiting evaluator in the passing dept. I just wonder if Jonny was irritated at Heather's lack of listening to others about passing potential? Just wondering for a friend. The mark of a great coach is that they know when to hire and listen to others who have skills that they themselves don't have. David Hyte is a great coach, Heather doesn't dare encroach on his turf in recruiting. But she carries an outsized opinion once the players arrive on campus. The OH's and passers on this team need help and Heather needs an addition to her staff that she allows to recruit, coach and determine who plays on the back row. That is what I have said for years and you, bbg, have not agreed until the last 2 years. So, better late than never, but that is the reality of the situation. Glad to have you in my camp! |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 13:58:47 GMT -5
I didn't see Eden Bower at the last games? What is going on with Eden Bower? Did she just quit the team? Scholarship and all - gone? |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 14:08:00 GMT -5
I'd respond to whatever marn is trying to say, but since they seem incapable of writing in coherent sentences or breaking their wall of text into more than one paragraph, I'll move on (except one thing--Madi Allen was not "run off" nor was she an especially good passer at BYU--such ridiculous statements are par for the course for marn). Decent win for BYU over Iowa State, which isn't a great program, but we'll take any win we can get, especially on the road. And yet Madi Allen was good enough to play - and play well - at USD into the final 4 .... with probably the second best team in the nation. Madi also started for BYU until she transfer and left Heather. Anyone of our passers capable of that final 4 feat? Nope! Just such ridiculous statements ..... lol |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Oct 31, 2024 14:21:34 GMT -5
Good point, but she did play opposite and not middle in high school and one of the games, she had the highest stats in that position. So, you are right, we don't see practice, but I have seen her play OPP in high school and when I see Prior go in and then when Prior doesn't do well, another freshmen goes in? Maybe I just don't get it? When Lee went in earlier in pre-season games, she killed it? Or am I just imagining? I've seen only one brief appearance at opposite. I have seen her play middle, but not at the level of the Byu starters. I did not see her in high school. I have never seen her practice. I'm confident that the coaches have seen her practice lots including at middle and at opposite. Yet, bkedane - these are the same coaches who sat back and let Kate Grimmer start for the better part of a year and a half at Opp. Can you explain that? Prior has her issues (like never in her life playing Opp) but it was evident from the first match that Heather gave in and put Prior at Opp that she was significantly better than Kate was. I know you believe that Heather wouldn't possibly put in a player who isn't as good as a bench player ... but she does!! For 2 years she tried everything she could do to make Eden Bower a starting OH. Long leash, much longer that Stowell and Callahan and the girl who took off to Iowa with a lot of up. Miller on the back row .... now Johnson? Heather just does this, it is part of her DNA .... she makes up her mind and unless a 2x4 hits her in the head she can't shake it. |
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Post by loversrock on Nov 1, 2024 1:59:54 GMT -5
It’s so funny watching Marn run his mouth as if everything he says is volleyball doctrine and anything that we have to say is absolutely wrong. Are we just going to ignore the fact that you claimed right before the Baylor game that Uluave was going to be a DS for her whole career at BYU? If I were to word it right you claim she was laterally challenged. Now you’re claiming that she’s legit? Not only is she legit she’s a true Lib that is learning the role Each game. She has only elevated her game so that makes your arguments obsolete. Alex Bower Is way more advanced than Damuni was. The fact that you claim Lee is the best player cracks me up. Funny how a coach and her assistant coaches would bench the best player on the team. Lol I guess the coaches hate winning, anything I read from you is laughable because obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by vvv on Nov 1, 2024 9:29:49 GMT -5
Marn did say that about Uluave, but he also said, years ago, that damuni was only on the team because her dad was at the school. That is actually when I started chiming in because I was in the same club circuit and knew full well what damuni was capable of. Since then, Marn has changed his tune because he actually was coaching, I think, in the club circuit and watched that class closely. His claims on Lee and Damuni are legit. I have watched that same circuit, but not in the coaching realm, and know for an absolute fact, that A. bower was not more advanced than damuni. I watched the games they played and saw what damuni could do vs bower. Yah she may have more insight from being in the vb family, but damuni was faster, more athletic, and had a year under her belt at BYU. So, no way, she was more advanced prior to spring and this season. That was evident in the spring games, at least the ones I attended. Everyone, and I mean everyone who knows volleyball and has watched these girls play, was questioning it. But, damuni chose to serve a mission and now attend another school, so moving on. I am just saying that Marn may say some things that he changes a bit later, after watching and analyzing more. So, I can see him taking back the part about uluave only playing DS. That part about coaches benching the best player on the team goes with the same idea of why would they bench damuni during spring games and not even give her a shot to show how advanced she actually is? That would be the question for Lee? Why is she not on the court in some capacity? It makes no sense to, not just Marn, but to many of us, who have watched these players for years. But, yes... coaches must have some reason for it. Marn seems to ruffle feathers, but, for me, I do agree with much of it.
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