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Post by bbg95 on Feb 8, 2024 15:39:04 GMT -5
Bower as the libero continues to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen. She was not the problem. Do we even know if she can pass? I agree that Hiapo should have been offered a scholarship, since she's better than Allen and way less likely to transfer, but that mistake was made more than 2-3 years ago.
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 8, 2024 15:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by pelagius on Feb 8, 2024 20:08:27 GMT -5
Jonny Neeley announcement:
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Post by azvb on Feb 8, 2024 22:01:43 GMT -5
Bower as the libero continues to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen. She was not the problem. Do we even know if she can pass? I agree that Hiapo should have been offered a scholarship, since she's better than Allen and way less likely to transfer, but that mistake was made more than 2-3 years ago. True, don’t know if she could pass. She’s got a high Vball IQ. I just think she could figure it out. I don’t think she’s a bad setter-I just think Meyer is better. |
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 9, 2024 0:49:45 GMT -5
Bower as the libero continues to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen. She was not the problem. Do we even know if she can pass? I agree that Hiapo should have been offered a scholarship, since she's better than Allen and way less likely to transfer, but that mistake was made more than 2-3 years ago. True, don’t know if she could pass. She’s got a high Vball IQ. I just think she could figure it out. I don’t think she’s a bad setter-I just think Meyer is better. Well, that's debatable. I would just point out that there is a big difference between the Big West and the Big 12 or even the WCC in those years. |
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Post by azvb on Feb 9, 2024 13:40:02 GMT -5
True, don’t know if she could pass. She’s got a high Vball IQ. I just think she could figure it out. I don’t think she’s a bad setter-I just think Meyer is better. Well, that's debatable. I would just point out that there is a big difference between the Big West and the Big 12 or even the WCC in those years. Well, everything is debatable! Like I sad, I’m not in the gym. Just made observations. I have nothing against Heather or the Bower family. While I don’t agree with some of Heathers decisions, I find it hard to believe Heather would make decisions based on if it would make the Bower mom mad. Although many years ago I recruited a girl solely because her best friend was a player I really wanted. I knew they were a package deal. |
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Post by pelagius on Feb 9, 2024 21:05:46 GMT -5
New assistant coach: Daniel Jones (UNLV Assistant)
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Post by marnvbc2 on Feb 10, 2024 19:01:14 GMT -5
I’m not in the gym, obviously, but here is what bothered me the last 2-3 seasons: *Pryor or Stowell should have played over Grimmer. *The setter that went to Long Beach should have played over Bower. I only say this after watching LB. She’s very good. Bower should have been the libero. *Stowell should have played OH (when Claire got hurt) or OPP over Pryor. *Total waste of a year playing Damuni as a serving sub. * I HATED when Mia hit a high C ball on serve receive. They did the same thing with Gneiting. *I HATED when Pryor would bend down and scurry from left front to OPP on serve receive. Let her hit a quick! *Hiapo should have been offered a 4 year scholarship. Upcoming season I’d like to see: *Pryor in the middle, Mia OPP. *Stowell and Claire in the battle for OH2. Not Eden. *A 3rd coach. Why didn’t we have one last year? *Erin Livingston passing 500 balls before, 500 ball after practice. Climbing off my soapbox now. I’m old, been out of the game for a while, so maybe I’m wrong. AZVB- well you just took over enemy #1 on the bbg95 (and few others list)! Thank you for taking my place! Much appreciated. These bullet points of yours are exactly what I have used more words to say (than you did) over the years. I made the mistake of making these points while the season was going or before certain seasons started and had the wrath of bbg95 on me. Everything you said above is true. But when you point them out (for example Prior should be a MB) and Little and Stowell should be playing OH2 instead of Eden (even saying Eden will not be elite or even average in her college career before she ever set foot on campus) ..... and heaven forbid that you suggest that W Bower wasn't the best setter for the program over Meyer (not even close) then you start the peanut gallery saying you work in the BYU vb office, or your kid got shafted by Heather, or you just have an ax to grind with the Bowers, or you are the dad of a new transfer to BYU etc. It is crazy what they come up with to deflect from the issues that hamper the BYU program. There is more to Jonny leaving than meets the eye. Maybe one to many things were said and ignored about talent evaluation and social politics involving people in the program. It doesn't really matter to me, but the on court decisions are perplexing and the first sign that I saw that Heather is susceptible to personal likes and dislikes influencing her coaching decisions was ..... before I say this .... I am not the mom or dad of the Lewis girl .... but Lewis should have played at OH and allowed to play instead of inserting Madi Rob into the final 4. It could and probably would have lead to a different result. For a variety of reasons Heather is not able to put certain players on the floor .... even when they should be. That one was a total political decision! Damuni is the latest victim of Heather knowing that she has a potential problem with the Bower family so she absolutely wastes Damuni's eligibility. All true/accurate points but "we need to shoot the messenger" before she gets us the message ....... |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Feb 10, 2024 19:09:58 GMT -5
We played against her club team and I agree with you pelagius. Johnson is a good passer and better than Miller and Billeter. From what I was told she wanted to go to BYU out of hs but Miller was recommended by the owner of Club V as the best DS. She wasn't! That doesn't excuse BYU from watching and evaluating her. I think Johnson's club team had the MB, Jepsen who went to Pitt. The current UVU assistant coach was head coach of the top V team and well .... you can see how his talent evaluation is at the college level. Johnson will work her way into the lineup and be a quality DS. I can't find my notes but I don't think she has a great serve so we will see how that works out. What makes you believe the owner of Club V recomended Miller over Johnson to BYU? Because the Carlson guy has bragged about getting her on BYU's radar and he has also told lots people he did it. Just ask him. He is full of ego at club tourneys and talks a lot. I mean obviously he thought Miller was better than Johnson right ?? He put Miller on his top team!! It isn't a hard stretch to connect the dots with what he tells people and what his actions showed. I have zero first hand knowledge of this but I heard from multiple people that he didn't like the dad of Johnson and that is why he put her on the second team. So either that is true or Carlson really thought Miller was better because he put her on his own top team. Either scenario is bad for Carlson and V. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Feb 10, 2024 19:43:39 GMT -5
Well, that's debatable. I would just point out that there is a big difference between the Big West and the Big 12 or even the WCC in those years. Well, everything is debatable! Like I sad, I’m not in the gym. Just made observations. I have nothing against Heather or the Bower family. While I don’t agree with some of Heathers decisions, I find it hard to believe Heather would make decisions based on if it would make the Bower mom mad. Although many years ago I recruited a girl solely because her best friend was a player I really wanted. I knew they were a package deal. That happens all the time in recruiting, AZVB! Oregon really wanted the Harvey girl and the Mendelson girl out of Utah so they recruited the setter off their club team thinking that would give them a shot. It didn't work, but they tried and now that setter is long gone from the Oregon program. I am warning you not to kick the hornets nest .... the guardian of which is bbg95. Run the other direction! I will address bbg's comment that the Big West isn't the WCC or Big12 to allow you time to get away. bbg95, you make me laugh when you get on the Bower train. Which setter in the Big West defeated the national champions last year? Which setter in the Big 12 at BYU got beat twice by Texas? Which team, BYU or LBSU had more talent on the floor vs Texas. I would submit that BYU had far more talent than LBSU except in one position .... at setter. Did you even watch that Texas/LBSU match? Meyer was the difference maker. She is a better setter than Bower and it isn't close. She is a legit blocker and has great ball placement. She made the decision to come to BYU (off of 2 national championship club teams) because she and everyone else believed she was better than Bower. Heather got to the point that she rationalized that the difference between Meyer's ability and Bower's ability wasn't big enough to risk the Bower pipeline which included the big catch of Eden. So, Meyer was told that she wouldn't be a starter at BYU until Whitney was done. Meyer hit the portal and left BYU without a setter in the program when Bower was hurt and cost BYU the ability to play a spring schedule. Enter Wyoming transfer setter who was actually a much better ball placement setter than Bower. Bower gets hurt again and the second string setter proceeds reel off 11 ( maybe it was 14) wins in a row with BYU hitters setting their career best marks for # of kills with her on the floor. Bower comes back and Heather puts her back into the setting role rather than at DS .... Bower was clearly the best passer on that team. The team struggles and flames out losing matches they shouldn't have and not advancing in the NCAA tournament. That was another Heather issue that cost the program. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Feb 10, 2024 19:59:11 GMT -5
Bower as the libero continues to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen. She was not the problem. Do we even know if she can pass? I agree that Hiapo should have been offered a scholarship, since she's better than Allen and way less likely to transfer, but that mistake was made more than 2-3 years ago. Every suggestion that isn't ordaining Bower as the best BYU setter in history is the "most bizarre" suggestion you have seen. Are you really making an argument that Bower can't pass? I am not sure that Bower should have been the Libero either but she certainly should have been a DS ..... and she might have been the best Libero on the team. Too bad they didn't take a look at that in some of the terrible WCC league matches. Just looking at her athletic ability and the below average (sometimes way below average) competition on the BYU back row should have allowed at least an experiment?? Particularly when Whitney was coming back from being hurt. The difference between the Wyoming transfer setter and Whitney was nominal (Bower was probably not as good) compared to Whitney's ability to pass/compared to the DS personnel on the floor. We can argue all day long but there is a growing list of coaching decisions that are very very suspect at BYU. Still they are a top 18 team and Heather's win percentage is tops in the NCAA's .... although in the Big12 that stat will go by the way side in the next 2 years. |
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Post by VB48 on Feb 10, 2024 20:05:42 GMT -5
What makes you believe the owner of Club V recomended Miller over Johnson to BYU? Because the Carlson guy has bragged about getting her on BYU's radar and he has also told lots people he did it. Just ask him. He is full of ego at club tourneys and talks a lot. I mean obviously he thought Miller was better than Johnson right ?? He put Miller on his top team!! It isn't a hard stretch to connect the dots with what he tells people and what his actions showed. I have zero first hand knowledge of this but I heard from multiple people that he didn't like the dad of Johnson and that is why he put her on the second team. So either that is true or Carlson really thought Miller was better because he put her on his own top team. Either scenario is bad for Carlson and V. So, you are just making things up. Got it. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Feb 10, 2024 20:11:30 GMT -5
Bower as the libero continues to be one of the most bizarre suggestions I've seen. She was not the problem. Do we even know if she can pass? I agree that Hiapo should have been offered a scholarship, since she's better than Allen and way less likely to transfer, but that mistake was made more than 2-3 years ago. This is another deflection of yours bbg! The Allen vs Hiapo decision wasn't an either or. It should have been both. Allen was upfront about being more comfortable as a DS. It was well known and she had convo's with BYU coaches prior to signing. BYU has missed way more than Hiapo. They sign too many OH's and not enough DS/L's to make the program better. That is a head coach issue. Allen wouldn't have transferred if Olmstead had recruited Hiapo or any other decent L. Remember Heather made Allen play L for a season .... her last one in Provo. The bottom line is horrible recruiting of passers for 8 years for a top 15 program. No way around it despite you trying to find a path to cover for them. |
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Post by movb on Feb 11, 2024 1:02:55 GMT -5
I’m not in the gym, obviously, but here is what bothered me the last 2-3 seasons: *Pryor or Stowell should have played over Grimmer. *The setter that went to Long Beach should have played over Bower. I only say this after watching LB. She’s very good. Bower should have been the libero. *Stowell should have played OH (when Claire got hurt) or OPP over Pryor. *Total waste of a year playing Damuni as a serving sub. * I HATED when Mia hit a high C ball on serve receive. They did the same thing with Gneiting. *I HATED when Pryor would bend down and scurry from left front to OPP on serve receive. Let her hit a quick! *Hiapo should have been offered a 4 year scholarship. Upcoming season I’d like to see: *Pryor in the middle, Mia OPP. *Stowell and Claire in the battle for OH2. Not Eden. *A 3rd coach. Why didn’t we have one last year? *Erin Livingston passing 500 balls before, 500 ball after practice. Climbing off my soapbox now. I’m old, been out of the game for a while, so maybe I’m wrong. AZVB- well you just took over enemy #1 on the bbg95 (and few others list)! Thank you for taking my place! Much appreciated. These bullet points of yours are exactly what I have used more words to say (than you did) over the years. I made the mistake of making these points while the season was going or before certain seasons started and had the wrath of bbg95 on me. Everything you said above is true. But when you point them out (for example Prior should be a MB) and Little and Stowell should be playing OH2 instead of Eden (even saying Eden will not be elite or even average in her college career before she ever set foot on campus) ..... and heaven forbid that you suggest that W Bower wasn't the best setter for the program over Meyer (not even close) then you start the peanut gallery saying you work in the BYU vb office, or your kid got shafted by Heather, or you just have an ax to grind with the Bowers, or you are the dad of a new transfer to BYU etc. It is crazy what they come up with to deflect from the issues that hamper the BYU program. There is more to Jonny leaving than meets the eye. Maybe one to many things were said and ignored about talent evaluation and social politics involving people in the program. It doesn't really matter to me, but the on court decisions are perplexing and the first sign that I saw that Heather is susceptible to personal likes and dislikes influencing her coaching decisions was ..... before I say this .... I am not the mom or dad of the Lewis girl .... but Lewis should have played at OH and allowed to play instead of inserting Madi Rob into the final 4. It could and probably would have lead to a different result. For a variety of reasons Heather is not able to put certain players on the floor .... even when they should be. That one was a total political decision! Damuni is the latest victim of Heather knowing that she has a potential problem with the Bower family so she absolutely wastes Damuni's eligibility. All true/accurate points but "we need to shoot the messenger" before she gets us the message ....... AZVB *Pryor in the middle, Mia OPP. - > BYU needs Pryor's huge block as an OPP. Mia has quicker lateral movement than Pryor and is a better offensive threat as a middle. *Stowell and Claire in the battle for OH2. Not Eden. - > No doubt that a healthy Claire will be the OH2. *A 3rd coach. Why didn’t we have one last year? - > Healther, Dave, & Jonny were there last year. *Erin Livingston passing 500 balls before, 500 ball after practice. - > Agreed. Now to MARN's "non-sense". Facts: Jonny left to pursue an entrepreneurial opportunity-- nothing else.. You insinuated the same thing about Penina when she left to attend law school. Damuni was sidelined with an injury for over 6 months. Risks need mitigation. Opinion: Whitney B. was the better setter for the program. She made wonders out of bad passing, played great defense, and was an offensive threat at the net. |
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Post by movb on Feb 11, 2024 2:18:07 GMT -5
What makes you believe the owner of Club V recomended Miller over Johnson to BYU? Because the Carlson guy has bragged about getting her on BYU's radar and he has also told lots people he did it. Just ask him. He is full of ego at club tourneys and talks a lot. I mean obviously he thought Miller was better than Johnson right ?? He put Miller on his top team!! It isn't a hard stretch to connect the dots with what he tells people and what his actions showed. I have zero first hand knowledge of this but I heard from multiple people that he didn't like the dad of Johnson and that is why he put her on the second team. So either that is true or Carlson really thought Miller was better because he put her on his own top team. Either scenario is bad for Carlson and V. More of Marn's "non-sense". Since it seems you have a problem separating truth from error, I'll make it easier for you by separating the facts from my opinions. Opinions: * The Carlson guy's bragging rights are totally justified. (See my first two facts below.) * My guess is you're making up stories about the V owners not liking Johnson's father to justify Johnson not being placed on a top team and seen as second-tier libero. * The majority of the local vball community believes Johnson is at BYU as a practice player because Uluave is not coming until the summer. *My sources who have watched Johnson before tell me she's slow, is not a back row leader, and can only pass easy balls. For the program's sake, I hope Heather's coaching can raise her game. Facts * Its very rare for 3 girls from the same club team to be recruited in the same year by the same school (BYU) and his great coaching had a lot to do with it. * Club V leads the nation in college commits. * For a period of 5+ years, every coach at Club V-- not just the owners-- placed Johnson on the second team. Utah signed Johnson only after Miller declined their offer. * Johnson was the S/R target of the very talented Club V 2022 you like to gossip about. * She's plagued by injury. Perhaps that explains her lack of speed. |
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