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Post by volleyball90 on Aug 27, 2024 12:59:07 GMT -5
Booth had great efficiency numbers and blocks per set stats last year. She deserves to be on the list. It's just top 3 I'd question. Honestly, I would more consider switching Smrek and Booth. Its no surprise that Wisconsin dropped 2 in a row without Smrek. Also in choosing between Smrek-CC-Robinson vs Booth-CC-Robinson. I would take the former over the latter scenario. As in I think the drop off from losing Smrek is greater than that of losing Booth. Though that is also because CC is such an excellent blocker but not a productive hitter. |
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Post by blue10 on Aug 27, 2024 14:22:33 GMT -5
Emily said Lexi is the best libero to ever play in the ncaa  ? |
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Post by hopefuldawg on Aug 27, 2024 14:34:27 GMT -5
I kind of took this at face value but on second thought I just really think, why would we expect someone analyzing NCAA volleyball to use international statistics? TBH that would be a really gutsy stand. And if she doesn't, and uses NCAA statistics instead, then Booth was the most efficient hitter in the B1G by a wide margin, had the highest BPS, and had a kps about 15-20% less than the highest usage middles. I think if you go by stats alone, you would have her as clearly the highest ranked middle in the B1G. Sure, I get the non-statistical arguments and the "there are better stats" arguments, but by the stats that EE needs to be using based on who her employer is, Booth looks good. I also do not think that block assists is a useless stat - being part of a block which causes a hitter to error is a big deal, even if you didn't get the actual stuff. But I get the preference for the international statistic. I don't think anyone can blame someone for using block assists because that's the only stat out there. I think its more, there is greater context needed. Like Booth and Allick aren't the best blockers in the B1G even though they're in the best partnerships (with Smrek and Beason, who are the two best/better opposite blockers) I don't think its possible, but I'd like to see block assists displayed as the duo (Booth+Smrek, Allick+Beason, Colvin+Anderson). I think that would give way better context to the stats than just one player. To account for help from the rest of your blockers but keep it simple, I'd like block assists to count toward 0.5 blocks/set like they do for points. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 27, 2024 20:29:34 GMT -5
I kind of took this at face value but on second thought I just really think, why would we expect someone analyzing NCAA volleyball to use international statistics? TBH that would be a really gutsy stand. And if she doesn't, and uses NCAA statistics instead, then Booth was the most efficient hitter in the B1G by a wide margin, had the highest BPS, and had a kps about 15-20% less than the highest usage middles. I think if you go by stats alone, you would have her as clearly the highest ranked middle in the B1G. Sure, I get the non-statistical arguments and the "there are better stats" arguments, but by the stats that EE needs to be using based on who her employer is, Booth looks good. I also do not think that block assists is a useless stat - being part of a block which causes a hitter to error is a big deal, even if you didn't get the actual stuff. But I get the preference for the international statistic. I don't think anyone can blame someone for using block assists because that's the only stat out there. I think its more, there is greater context needed. Like Booth and Allick aren't the best blockers in the B1G even though they're in the best partnerships (with Smrek and Beason, who are the two best/better opposite blockers) I don't think its possible, but I'd like to see block assists displayed as the duo (Booth+Smrek, Allick+Beason, Colvin+Anderson). I think that would give way better context to the stats than just one player. I don't disagree with any of this and I think jwvolley had good intents, but the statement pegging Booth as a "low usage MB" (I think? I didn't check) just seemed a bit too harsh and dismissive, all things considered. And mind you, I had expected Booth to be lower too. |
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Post by abcd098 on Aug 27, 2024 20:33:23 GMT -5
The amount of weight we give to the Emily Ehman countdown. 😂😂
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 27, 2024 20:35:30 GMT -5
I don't think anyone can blame someone for using block assists because that's the only stat out there. I think its more, there is greater context needed. Like Booth and Allick aren't the best blockers in the B1G even though they're in the best partnerships (with Smrek and Beason, who are the two best/better opposite blockers) I don't think its possible, but I'd like to see block assists displayed as the duo (Booth+Smrek, Allick+Beason, Colvin+Anderson). I think that would give way better context to the stats than just one player. I don't disagree with any of this and I think jwvolley had good intents, but the statement pegging Booth as a "low usage MB" (I think? I didn't check) just seemed a bit too harsh and dismissive, all things considered. And mind you, I had expected Booth to be lower too. I don't think its harsh if we're being honest. 1.7/8 kills/set is not a lot for a middle, 6-2 or not. That ranks 1085 out of qualified (players that played in 66% of sets) 1459 players in the NCAA last year. stats.ncaa.org/rankings/national_ranking?academic_year=2024.0&division=1.0&ranking_period=84.0&sport_code=WVB&stat_seq=2.0 |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 27, 2024 20:43:28 GMT -5
it's not harsh. Look, I think Carter Booth is a very good player, but looking at last year, there are some facts that can't be overlooked when it comes to the stats. 1- Yes she has a very high hitting percentage, but she wasn't used very often. 2- Yes she had high blocks per set, but she was always blocking next to a seasoned opposite blocker. It's not unreasonable or harsh to suggest that IF she's used more, her kills will go up BUT her hitting percentage will come down. Additionally, IF she's no longer blocking next to Smrek/Robinson for her three front row rotations, her blocking numbers will also come down. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 27, 2024 20:49:56 GMT -5
That includes only middles? I eyeballed it from the B1G website and it just didn't look like the other middles had *that* many more attempts. Allick had 1.76 kps and Jackson had 2, just as points of comparison for other top 5 teams (Crawford's kps is obviously not a good point of comparison) |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 27, 2024 21:07:44 GMT -5
That includes only middles? I eyeballed it from the B1G website and it just didn't look like the other middles had *that* many more attempts. Allick had 1.76 kps and Jackson had 2, just as points of comparison for other top 5 teams (Crawford's kps is obviously not a good point of comparison) For middles she and allick would be 238 out of 470 from that list. |
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Post by skolgophers on Aug 28, 2024 9:33:02 GMT -5
Lots of talk of the EE top 20, but Murr and Gonzalez are starting a little series of their own. Wasn’t sure what thread to put this in, but might be fun to follow along for those on TikTok. Sounds like they will do different rankings throughout the season. www.tiktok.com/t/ZP81TEoLK/ |
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 28, 2024 15:15:50 GMT -5
Update for Emily Ehman top 20
20. Allick, MB Nebraska
19. Tuaniga, S USC
18. Dodson, MB UCLA
17. Gary, L Indiana
16. Colvin, MB Purdue
15. Colyer, OH Oregon
14. Chicoine, OH Purdue
13. Haworth, S Indiana
12. Landfair, OH Nebraska
11. Terry, OH Illinois
10. Murray, OH Nebraska
9. Reilly, S Nebraska
8. Smrek, OPP Wisconsin
7. Hudson, OH Purdue
6. Londot, OH/OPP Ohio State
5. Mruzik, OH Penn State
4. Beason, OPP Nebraska
3. Booth, MB Wisconsin
2. Rodriguez, L Nebraska
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Post by nellynel on Aug 28, 2024 15:49:27 GMT -5
Is she waiting for the season to be over to finish this list?
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 28, 2024 15:53:33 GMT -5
Update for Emily Ehman top 20 20. Allick, MB Nebraska 19. Tuaniga, S USC 18. Dodson, MB UCLA 17. Gary, L Indiana 16. Colvin, MB Purdue 15. Colyer, OH Oregon 14. Chicoine, OH Purdue 13. Haworth, S Indiana 12. Landfair, OH Nebraska 11. Terry, OH Illinois 10. Murray, OH Nebraska 9. Reilly, S Nebraska 8. Smrek, OPP Wisconsin 7. Hudson, OH Purdue 6. Londot, OH/OPP Ohio State 5. Mruzik, OH Penn State 4. Beason, OPP Nebraska 3. Booth, MB Wisconsin 2. Rodriguez, L Nebraska The big surprise is going to be when she puts Andi Jackson at #1 with all that athletic ability and eye-popping plays, and Franklin is left off the list. |
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Post by vonner on Aug 28, 2024 16:17:36 GMT -5
Is she waiting for the season to be over to finish this list? #1 is S. Franklin. It's been on the youtube channel for a bit now. |
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 28, 2024 16:25:51 GMT -5
FINAL Emily Ehman Top 20
20. Allick, MB Nebraska
19. Tuaniga, S USC
18. Dodson, MB UCLA
17. Gary, L Indiana
16. Colvin, MB Purdue
15. Colyer, OH Oregon
14. Chicoine, OH Purdue
13. Haworth, S Indiana
12. Landfair, OH Nebraska
11. Terry, OH Illinois
10. Murray, OH Nebraska
9. Reilly, S Nebraska
8. Smrek, OPP Wisconsin
7. Hudson, OH Purdue
6. Londot, OH/OPP Ohio State
5. Mruzik, OH Penn State
4. Beason, OPP Nebraska
3. Booth, MB Wisconsin
2. Rodriguez, L Nebraska
1. Franklin, OH Wisconsin
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