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Post by Disc808 on Mar 2, 2024 10:56:10 GMT -5
Not sure why like Kim Hill, Plummer really hasn't been able to transition her club play to USA play. I hope she gets chosen. Plummer is streakier with USA. Some really good games (China VNL, Italy IOQT) but also some really bad ones (Serbia VNL) Conegliano has much more time with their system than USA does (And Conegliano is better at it) Kim was great with Glass. Not so much with Carlini. Agreed about having more time with the system. Also, Santarelli has done a good job of knowing when to ride it out vs. when to sub her out. I also feel like Plummer’s style is about getting into a rhythm , if it’s off then it can be a struggle for her in all phases
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Post by Wichsen on Mar 2, 2024 12:42:01 GMT -5
Also how much is the opposing team's block concentrating on Haak. That can certainly open things up for the OHs Y’all are asking the right questions😂 Also I’d go with Cook/Plummer/Larson/Skinner I think Skinner and Frantic will be battling it out in VNL yep it's gonna be between skinner and frantti. But it will also depends on how they play in NT. Frantti play better in NT compare to club and she is better in serving and most likely better in oos lol. I may leave larson at home and bring lanier too 😊
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 2, 2024 19:51:46 GMT -5
China doesn’t have the ball control or the setting they had in 2004. Nobody does lol. That team was sick Nobody could read Feng Kun. Russian middles on the verge of tears. Interesting story, Feng almost quit volleyball in frustration at one point when she was passed over for a Chinese NT spot. Thankfully, Coach Chen saw potential in her and she became the captain of the team.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 2, 2024 20:00:10 GMT -5
China has done it as long as 2004 iirc.. they’ve always had a big stick on the left to score a majority of their points. 2004 is the worst example with Feng distributing to all hitters like no other.. but that opposite, can’t remember name, would pass and then run a myriad of combos. She was awesome. Zhou Suhong. It was very common in Asian-style volleyball (China, Korea and Japan would all run variations) to have a multi-skilled player at opp who would pass dimes and run combos, and a non-passing L1 who could crush quick balls in trans. It was really only in the last ten-twenty years that Asian teams moved to "Western style." Zhou is now a communist party bureaucrat, far from her days as a volleyball player on court. Although she did endure personal tragedies outside the court. Her husband, another former volleyball player, became paralyzed from the neck down due to a training accident. He asked her to divorce him so that he won't remain a burden on her any longer. Very sad. As for Asian-style volleyball, part of the reason they have to be multi-skiled was to compensate for their shorter stature compared to many Western teams. If you look at the 2004 Chinese gold medal winning roster, their average height is lower than Russia, the silver medalist. Whereas Russia can just rain balls down like a cannon firing thanks to their sheer height overcoming the opposition's block (remember Gamova just pounding the balls down?), China has to worked harder by having superior skills to their opponent. These days though, maybe thanks to better nutrition or diet, Asian volleyball players are catching up to their Western counter-parts in height, so there is a less of a need to remain on their Asian-style volleyball.
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Post by ironhammer on Mar 2, 2024 20:02:10 GMT -5
Y’all are asking the right questions😂 Also I’d go with Cook/Plummer/Larson/Skinner I think Skinner and Frantic will be battling it out in VNL Not sure why like Kim Hill, Plummer really hasn't been able to transition her club play to USA play. I hope she gets chosen. Any speculation or guesses as to why that is the case? Yes, Karch, but why is that exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 20:26:44 GMT -5
Karch has the blue print to run Kelsey/KP if he wanted to lol I think this is the A team starting line up we will see this summer: S: Carlini OH: Cook, Plummer MB: Ogbogu, Rettke OPP: Thompson L: JWO The question is, can JWO have a DeGennaro sized presence in that passing unit. If so, then I think KP/Kelsey will be a good pairing. JWO hasn't really had a stellar NT season since 2021. Could Hentz overtake her? I doubt it but I don't think there is that much separating the two right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 20:32:55 GMT -5
Robo has a long track record of doing this in prelims/qualifiers, but then she pulls an avatar when we need her the most. which is probably why they'll bring Larson and then Plummer + whichever one of Frantti/Skinner/Lanier Wait what?! You think Karch is leaving Kelsey off that Paris roster? You've got to be joking.
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Post by jwvolley on Mar 2, 2024 20:36:20 GMT -5
which is probably why they'll bring Larson and then Plummer + whichever one of Frantti/Skinner/Lanier Wait what?! You think Karch is leaving Kelsey off that Paris roster? You've got to be joking. He was saying Kelsey is the absolute lock and the other 3 would probably be Larson, Plummer and whichever of Frantti/Skinner/Lanier
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 20:46:12 GMT -5
Plummer is streakier with USA. Some really good games (China VNL, Italy IOQT) but also some really bad ones (Serbia VNL) Conegliano has much more time with their system than USA does (And Conegliano is better at it) Kim was great with Glass. Not so much with Carlini. I can only remember one or two matches where Carlini and Kim played together. One of the them wa really good Before Karch sent Kim to bench. Might have been a qualifying match. Either way, Kim really didn’t play much that last quad for team USA. Yup. 2019 IOQT vs. Bulgaria. I cannot believe Karch benched Kim for Kelsey when it was Larson who should have been benched.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 20:49:23 GMT -5
Wait what?! You think Karch is leaving Kelsey off that Paris roster? You've got to be joking. He was saying Kelsey is the absolute lock and the other 3 would probably be Larson, Plummer and whichever of Frantti/Skinner/Lanier Ok that's what I was thinking too. Carry on everyone 😊
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Post by Reach on Mar 2, 2024 21:35:30 GMT -5
I can only remember one or two matches where Carlini and Kim played together. One of the them wa really good Before Karch sent Kim to bench. Might have been a qualifying match. Either way, Kim really didn’t play much that last quad for team USA. Yup. 2019 IOQT vs. Bulgaria. I cannot believe Karch benched Kim for Kelsey when it was Larson who should have been benched. That sounds about Karch
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Post by socalplayer on Mar 2, 2024 21:44:03 GMT -5
[quote also imo... santarelli seems to coach the team he has, while karch coaches the team he wants. I think he recognized hill and Plummer for what they were and pieced together systems at imoco accordingly. Karch on the other hand tries to force players into a pre-determined system instead of what's best for them imo[/quote]
I also felt the same way.. then add Kumbaya and certain players are out. Hooker, Fawcett, Tom, etc.
I want Kathryn in the Olympic team as a starter. She plays well with Robinson (Karch does have a blueprint!) so I hope Karch will give her a chance.
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Post by Wichsen on Mar 3, 2024 2:59:26 GMT -5
[quote also imo... santarelli seems to coach the team he has, while karch coaches the team he wants. I think he recognized hill and Plummer for what they were and pieced together systems at imoco accordingly. Karch on the other hand tries to force players into a pre-determined system instead of what's best for them imo I also felt the same way.. then add Kumbaya and certain players are out. Hooker, Fawcett, Tom, etc. I want Kathryn in the Olympic team as a starter. She plays well with Robinson (Karch does have a blueprint!) so I hope Karch will give her a chance. [/quote] karch will start with larson/cook 😅 kp for blocking and frantti for serving sub. 🤣 that's how he made roles for each players in qualifier and even last olympic. I don't know if larson even fit to play for such a high level.
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Post by socalplayer on Mar 3, 2024 9:29:23 GMT -5
[quote also imo... santarelli seems to coach the team he has, while karch coaches the team he wants. I think he recognized hill and Plummer for what they were and pieced together systems at imoco accordingly. Karch on the other hand tries to force players into a pre-determined system instead of what's best for them imo I also felt the same way.. then add Kumbaya and certain players are out. Hooker, Fawcett, Tom, etc. I want Kathryn in the Olympic team as a starter. She plays well with Robinson (Karch does have a blueprint!) so I hope Karch will give her a chance. karch will start with larson/cook 😅 kp for blocking and frantti for serving sub. 🤣 that's how he made roles for each players in qualifier and even last olympic. I don't know if larson even fit to play for such a high level. [/quote] Oh boy. I hope that won’t be the case. Larson did a lot for this team but it’s time to let go
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Post by give me the og-ball-u on Mar 3, 2024 11:01:09 GMT -5
I had this thought today. is there a reason why investing in good passers but weak attackers as opposites isnt a thing? I feel like China/Japan have done this.. But feels like with today’s serving there seems to be a shortage of well rounded passer / attackers on the outside lol very late to this discussion (oops lol) but russia had sokolova as a passing opposite in the late 90s-2000 who ran slides! they also had plotnikova as a passing opposite in the athens games
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