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Post by volleyguy on Apr 25, 2024 13:48:11 GMT -5
LOVB also announced Kotoe Inoue and Karin Palgutova We still don't know what the transfer fee situation is with all these foreign players LOVB is signing. Has LOVB reached a financial agreement with USAV about it (they must have if there are contracts being signed), and what was the situation with the foreign players PVF signed this season?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 13:50:21 GMT -5
LOVB also announced Kotoe Inoue and Karin Palgutova We still don't know what the transfer fee situation is with all these foreign players LOVB is signing. Has LOVB reached a financial agreement with USAV about it (they must have if there are contracts being signed), and what was the situation with the foreign players PVF signed this season? wouldnt the fees be with the players home federation? not USAV?
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Post by Reach on Apr 25, 2024 13:53:22 GMT -5
Does LOVB have aspirations of playing in the club championships?
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Post by madden55 on Apr 25, 2024 13:56:01 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. I mean they are doing a pretty good job for a first year league in some of the names. Folie, Kojima, Pogany are elite at their positions internationally. Then there’s a whole flurry of pretty solid names like Drewniok and Herrara that are good too
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 13:59:24 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. Thats probably why there's an effort to get players somewhere familiar to them (Chi/Logan in Austin, The BYU/Utahns in SLC, Larson/JWO in Omaha, Carlini in Madison). Atlanta and Houston are the odd ones out, but they dont have a big D1 school there anyways. Their story telling and marketing will be important.
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Post by ddbb on Apr 25, 2024 14:04:16 GMT -5
isn’t wang simin good? i thought she would be a starter for a lovb team. i’m also skeptical for any current ncaa libero to play at the standards of a professional league immediately in their transition. Im hesitant (just based on what I've seen). I imagine JWO/Fleck/Kojima/Inoue/another not announced will be starters. Mary Lake could be? The rest seem/make sense for a reserve role. Maybe. They probably have that concern too. But they have to start somewhere (and a big part about having an American league is having opportunities that they cant get overseas... unless LOVb has never said that lol) is hentz signing with lovb? jwo, hentz, and fleck are the ones i foresee as starters along with kojima, wang, and inoue, unless there are other better unnanounced liberos. rodriguez i can see as an sr libero and scott as defensive. though i don’t think depth is an issue with lovb as they seem to be stacked as they are with other positions. i’m more curious about the coaching, training regiment, and technical aspects—line judges, challenge cameras, referees, broadcast, and so on.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 14:05:52 GMT -5
Based on who is signed looks like they have left to announce (if my math is right)
S: 3 more Opp: 1 more OH: 5 more (snyder unannounced/unsigned?) MB: 6 more (folie/alberti) L: 4 more (Pogany/Medved)
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 14:07:32 GMT -5
Im hesitant (just based on what I've seen). I imagine JWO/Fleck/Kojima/Inoue/another not announced will be starters. Mary Lake could be? The rest seem/make sense for a reserve role. Maybe. They probably have that concern too. But they have to start somewhere (and a big part about having an American league is having opportunities that they cant get overseas... unless LOVb has never said that lol) is hentz signing with lovb? jwo, hentz, and fleck are the ones i foresee as starters along with kojima, wang, and inoue, unless there are other better unnanounced liberos. rodriguez i can see as an sr libero and scott as defensive. though i don’t think depth is an issue with lovb as they seem to be stacked as they are with other positions. i’m more curious about the coaching, training regiment, and technical aspects—line judges, challenge cameras, referees, broadcast, and so on. I dont think Hentz has. But I also dont know. I dont think we've heard anything about those things, other than they're working on TV stuff. I would imagine given who they're connected with, they'll get the dataproject system. It's what they use overseas. its more travel friendly and less expensive than Bolt6. They'd probably only need 2 systems. (or one if they really want to travel with it)
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Post by uofaGRAD on Apr 25, 2024 14:08:16 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. I just strongly disagree about the average USA fan but maybe I’m wrong. almost every single great American is in this league. I mean the entire gold medal team that’s still playing full time is coming to LOVB on top of names like Carlini, Lloyd, Fleck, RJP, Amber Igiede, Anna Hall, Kingdon, SWP, Hoffman, Grubbs Adams, Kubik, etc. Plus foreigners like Folie/Kojima/Pogany probably become a fan favorite day one for example. they’re so good and so fun to watch
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Post by ddbb on Apr 25, 2024 14:13:31 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. I just strongly disagree about the average USA fan but maybe I’m wrong. almost every single great American is in this league. I mean the entire gold medal team that’s still playing full time is coming to LOVB on top of names like Carlini, Lloyd, Fleck, RJP, Amber Igiede, Anna Hall, Kingdon, SWP, Adams, Kubik, etc. Plus foreigners like Folie/Kojima/Pogany probably become a fan favorite day one for example. they’re so good and so fun to watch i agree. i think the ones who won’t feel connected to the league will be fans of collegiate teams rather than the average volleyball fans. if people enjoy watching volleyball, high-level play will be just as much, if not more.
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Post by alohavball on Apr 25, 2024 14:22:04 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. Thats probably why there's an effort to get players somewhere familiar to them (Chi/Logan in Austin, The BYU/Utahns in SLC, Larson/JWO in Omaha, Carlini in Madison). Atlanta and Houston are the odd ones out, but they dont have a big D1 school there anyways. Their story telling and marketing will be important. Are any of the coaches signed to a team already? The reason I ask because I was wondering if Atlanta's position was open and if Paulo Coco would reunite with Fabiana there. Key Alves in the Atlanta scene makes sense too.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 14:23:19 GMT -5
Thats probably why there's an effort to get players somewhere familiar to them (Chi/Logan in Austin, The BYU/Utahns in SLC, Larson/JWO in Omaha, Carlini in Madison). Atlanta and Houston are the odd ones out, but they dont have a big D1 school there anyways. Their story telling and marketing will be important. Are any of the coaches signed to a team already? The reason I ask because I was wondering if Atlanta's position was open and if Paulo Coco would reunite with Fabiana there. Key Alves in the Atlanta scene makes sense too. Officially? no. But italians are saying Barbolini in Houston, Bonitta in Austin. Paolo in Atlanta would make sense (but Key said she's going to a texas team) I imagine Tama will be in Salt Lake, Fuerbringer in Madison, and Fritz in Omaha (with Larson as defacto coach lol)
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 25, 2024 14:32:01 GMT -5
We still don't know what the transfer fee situation is with all these foreign players LOVB is signing. Has LOVB reached a financial agreement with USAV about it (they must have if there are contracts being signed), and what was the situation with the foreign players PVF signed this season? wouldnt the fees be with the players home federation? not USAV? Well it works both ways. Fewer USA players going abroad means less transfer fee revenue for USAV. More foreign players coming to the USA could mean more revenue for USAV. Transfer fees can exist both at the Confederation (as was the case in the link you provided a while back, although that was more of a set administrative/processing fee), and at the Federation level. Transfer fees also can vary depending on the perceived value of the player (and their contract status perhaps). It seems risky for LOVB to have signed foreign players to contracts without understanding what the potential transfer fee cost would be, so I think there is some some existing policy or practice. I've asked about how transfer fees are being handled, but no one at USAV knows or is willing to share what the situation is.
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 25, 2024 14:48:08 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… I understand the appeal of players signing to LOVB vs PVF and the level of play will most likely be higher but I’m not convinced the average US fan is going to buy into it as quickly because of the unfamiliar names and format (and the dumb name). Will be interesting to see how these signings translate to viewership/fan support since ultimately that will determine the leagues survival. I've had similar thoughts about the leagues, not that people will care about unfamiliar names, but I think whichever league figures out how to best market and get butts in seats will be the one that wins out. Youre correct that majority of the average fans and even the 10 year old little girls looking up to the players won't notice the difference in levels of pvf and lovb as intensely as most of us on here would. It's going to come down to who can better sell their product to the public imo I think lovb has an advantage in that they've been able to take their time and also they get to learn from any mistakes / successes pvf had as a new league
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Post by Norah Sus on Apr 25, 2024 14:59:16 GMT -5
I don’t follow pro volleyball overseas so I’m not surprised by not knowing some names but I’m concerned that I don’t know MOST of these players LOVB is signing and I don’t think I’m the only one… This is such a strange statement. If you don’t follow pro volleyball, why would you expect to have heard of them? Teams that don’t play in the Olympics still have some great players. Teams that do play in the Olympics have some very strong backups you don’t get to see. (Assuming that the Olympics is when you do watch the game and would learn the names of some non-NCAAers?) (And even a few of their international signings did play NCAA.)
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